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Preperation of Dex to stop me abusing it

streetsurfer

streetsurfer

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I am perscribed dexamphetamine for adhd here in Australia where we don't have an extended relase version. I could get a compouding pharmacy to make some up but I'm sure it would cost me more than a bit.

I was thinking about grinding it up and mixing it 1:1 with ibuprofen or something else that is going to stop me being an idiot. Also I was thinking about finding a way I could make it extended release.

One way that springs immidiately to mind is wrapping half of it tightly in cardboard and surounding it with the other half wrapped in paper. (I know, it is dodgey as fuck but blank caps are an absolute rip off and I am broke.

I have started back on Selegiline 2.5mg sublingually twice daily and found it a godsend for depression but seems to make my concentration worse. I am having trouble working it in with the dex as it kills the dex effect stone dead.

And what kind of dose do you think is reasonable for dex? I am charted 25mg/day but I kinda feel that to be excessive. Should I have breaks from it? What can I do to minimise its nerotoxic and cardiotoxic effects?
Is this something I can take for the rest of my life cos at the moment I am really struggling with side effects and if there was a better alternative I would be very interested.
Hurpizine a?
Aniracetam?
Bacopa monari?


Any thoughts?

Thanks
 
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streetsurfer said:
I was thinking about grinding it up and mixing it 1:1 with ibuprofen or something else that is going to stop me being an idiot. Also I was thinking about finding a way I could make it extended release.
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What do you mean by "being an idiot" with your Dex pills?
You mean that you abuse them too often?

Why would an Extended Release version of your pills stop you "being an idiot"?
 
i'm still concerned about the possibility of hypertension when mixing seligiline and dextroamphetamine, so be sure to monitor that. also, if you're concerned about abuse, could you give the medication to another trusted person to dole out to you as needed? i really don't think ingesting cardboard and paper frequently is a good idea.
 
^^could I use that with selegiline?

I figured if I mixed it with ibuprofen like 1:1 I am not going to go to crazy with it or my guts will be hurting
 
streetsurfer said:
^^could I use that with selegiline?

I figured if I mixed it with ibuprofen like 1:1 I am not going to go to crazy with it or my guts will be hurting
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hehehe that is the funniest thing i have read to today, and made me laugh out loud ! Keep up the crazy comments!
 
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^^could I use that with selegiline?

I figured if I mixed it with ibuprofen like 1:1 I am not going to go to crazy with it or my guts will be hurting
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I'm not sure you can feel the actual liver damage resulting from an overdose of ibuprofen, at least that's what I've heard with paracetamol. So if you're craving some amphetamine one day and you take a recreational dose that doesn't cause stomache aches you might actually be damaging your liver even though you aren't experiencing any acute symptoms.
 
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i don't think ibuprofen has the same capacity to damage your liver as tylenol does (someone correct me if i'm wrong.) i know that upset stomach is listed as a side effect of ibuprofen, but that doesn't mean you personally are going to get an upset stomach if you take it.

yikes, dex and laxatives does not sound like a good combo given that dex already gets the system going, so to speak.
 
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My second choice was laxitives 8(
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lmao...
on the plus side, you'd be, like, sooooo skinny, amphets & laxatives >.<

rashandreflex- ibuprofen can cause stomach bleeding and if taken too long in unneeded or high doses, and can also cause kidney problems.

i try to potentiate my adderall to make my prescribed dose actually last the whole month (30mg 2x daily) b/c im still in that hazy, sleep like mode even after the 30 in the AM and again at noon, and I don't think they would prescribe it 3x a day...
magnesium, calcium carbonate, and b6 can help potentiate it, and i make sure to not ingest *any* vitamin C from supplements or food within ~4 hours of taking it or it nixes the effects quickly. maybe those will help with yer meds too? not positive though...
 
can you import them if you have a legit script from a country that has them? Brand name dexedrine is really the best, most people will tell you that are experienced. I've tried barr and mallinkdrot dexedrine and the shit is awful. Barr feels more like ephedrine and the time release hardly works. Mallinkdrot gives me awful awful headaches. The brand name dexedrine are just so smooth and clean feeling.
 
That depends on what country you live in. If you live in the US don't even think about. Even if you do have all your ducks in a row it's not worth it.
 
I don't wish to be unhelpful but I cant see how preparing your dex a different way is going to stop you abusing it. If you are inclined to take to much it would suggest your looking for that little bit extra, and I can't see how preparing it in another form will stop you seeking that.

I'm on dex also and find it very useful for certain tasks in regards to my study, but not so good on others. Listening to lecutres and notes taking, excellent. But for certain types assignments I find it can make me over focus on details which really robs me of efficiency and just adds to my stress levels.

And from my experience less really is more with dex & I think 25mg is getting towards a pretty large dose. I'd just get over stimulated on a dose like that and find I'd have to many ups and downs. If your getting negative cardiac effects I'd say that's a sure sign the dose is to high.

Regular breaks from it work well for me also. I don't care what the doctors tell me about it being eliminated in 5 hours I really think it has a cumulative effect over time if taken each and every day.

You said to me awhile ago that if you start looking for the perfect solution you just wind up chasing your tale and I could not agree with your statement more.

I can see from your posts that your having a pretty rough time, but I think constant chopping and changing from one idea to the next is not going to provide you with a stable platform to build from. If that makes any sense?

Get yourself back to the most minimal meds situation that is as stable as you can make it for yourself and then add one thing at a time, and give it a decent period of time before making changes. If your adding 2+ things at once its going to be so hard to gauge what is doing what.

If depression is the real needle at the moment I'd deal with that one first and then go from there. If the selegiline is working for the depression then maybe just stick to that for the time being and then look at tackling the ADD.

I know that for me picacetam noticiably potentiates stimulants. Maybe picacetam might increase the pyscho stimulant effects of the selegiline and be enough?
 
You should try atomoxetine for the ADD. That's what I'm on right now. I admit that it's mediocre compared with the stimulants as far as keeping me focused, but being high all the time is not productive in the long run, even though it feels like it.
I think the trend in prescribing stimulants for ADD has led a lot of people with the disorder to expect that feeling high or amped is normal. When I was scripted ritalin I came to associate feeling like the best thing since sliced bread with being "normal." I wish that were the case, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be. That, in conjunction with some pretty hefty scholastic pressure, made me think that I not only could, but should increase the speed of my life and my production infinitely. I've found from observing my cohorts that being able to stick it out for a year is worth a lot more than being able to stay up and stay productive for 96 hours straight.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are no simple answers. I had to switch to atomoxetine because there wasn't anything else that wasn't abusable. I also had to find a suitable antidepressent, which unfortunately is no longer working; and I'm going to have to go through that cycle of convincing a physician to try a bunch of other antidepressents until I find something that sort of works.
As much as it's far more fun to self-prescribe, it's far better in the long run to be under the supervision of a physician. Prescribing for myself sounds great to me (mainly because I'm a bit of an arrogant asshole), but it's great until you fuck up. And you don't want to fuck up in a permanent way, because you have more potential than that, and have something to live for.
I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say. Maybe it's that there are a lot of people who continually have to struggle to figure it out. But take my words worth a grain of salt, and I hope you realize that I am in no way trying to patronize you. I'm just trying to relate my experience.
 
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Agree with the above, but like I said perhaps it is best to focus on the issue that causing the most problems, and I imagine that the depression would be it. Once that is pretty sorted then you could look at the ADD.

How do you find atomoxetine hussness? Does it help with your ADD?

As for stims when used to treat ADD, if your feeling amped, the dose is too high.

I posted about ADD meds awhile ago and Blitzor suggested that low amounts of dex (5-7.5mg) combined with amitriptyline (40mg) have been suggested as another way to treat ADD.
 
I'm not sure where you live, but I live in the States and atomoxetine has had a huge advertizing campaign behind it here. It's fairly expensive but if you don't have insurance you can fill out a one page form with your doctor and get it for free from Lilly.
I agree that the depression is the biggest issue, but I found that sorting out my ADD did more for curing my depression than any antidepressant ever did. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if in certain people ADD and depression are really the sequa of a single problem.
Atomoxetine (Strattera) is an SNRI. The best I can compare it to is a really low dose of ritalin that's constant and doesn't affect sleep. I don't know anything about prescription laws in other countries, but one of the really nice things about it is that it isn't a controlled substance in the States. No triplicate prescription hastles.
 
Why not start taking breaks from the dexamphetamine on days off from work? Or, if you find that you are "hopelessly addicted," then switch to methylphenidate XR. Atomoxetine is pure shit in my opinion, as it gave me no effects other than urinary retention (the "phantom piss" syndrome, where one thinks they have to pee, but then does not or has trouble 'getting things flowing.') Also, you could switch to venlafaxine (Effexor), duloxetine (Cymbalta) or bupropion (Wellbutrin) for the depression and achieve noradrenergic transporter blockage. Stop taking the (l)-deprenyl or lower your dose to 2.5mg every other day, however, if you plan on taking any kind of monoamine reuptake inhibitor antidepressant.
 
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Hey, yeah on effexor now, with lamictal 50mg at bedtime. Does that sound ok? I find a have a period about 7 hours after taking the effexor where I am really agitated for about 2 hours then (kinda) get over it. thinking of maybe adding a half dose at lunch. I am wondering Rieman Zeta, do u agree with Dr Beat about the combination of Dex and Sodium valproate being a good antidepressant option? If so what doses?
I find I am eaing so much fucking chocolate lately, startin to get fat. Do you think DL phenalaline would stop that? Dex?
The effexor makes my shit rock hard and it just sits in my bowls making it nessesary to pass 2 or 3 hard nuggets (sorry for the graphic discription) a day. This can't be healthy can it? I exercise, eat an almost perfect diet, drink loads of water. Laxitives have ZERO effect, maybe some overflow.
I dunno, it just makes me so anxious also in that period coming off it in the afternoon but there is no denying the benificial effect on my mood, it has given me back a little labido from the zero there was before.

Also I have read (this is to everyone) that antidepressant (I am thinking most likely ssri's) cause a gradually worsening of people with Bipolar over the years. That is why I think Dr Beat may be on the right track with his perscription. I dunno, I still get tardive dyskenesia from effexor but nothing like prozac. Also can anti epileptics exaccabate it?
Wow, 20 questions, cheers guys
 
On the constipation side effect:Magnesium will do the trick most of the time.I used to take as much (titration) until I got diarrhö (around 400-600mg).We're living on Magnesium deficiency anyway.
 
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