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Preparing BHO for IV using MCT oil?

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OK...

First off let me say that I have searched IV cannabis numerous times and always find threads where the OP is completely made fun of until the thread is closed: "just smoke it" "make medibles" "you are ruining marijuana" "do dabs" "take a tolerance break" etc....

So a bit of background on why I would ask this: I am a medical marijuana patient with serious gut issues and have been using very very large quantities of the strongest possible cannabis concentrates I can find or afford on a daily basis for over a decade- Not to get high, but just to be able to put food into me without feeling like a horse is trying to kick its way out of my intestines.

I could smoke regular pot till the cows come home and while I will eventually do get a "head change" (mostly just tired), it comes nowhere close to helping me overcome pain or nausea.

then I switched to bubble hash, and it DOES work...eventually... especually if I managed to get some ganja food down to help it along, but the sheer time it takes to smoke enough hash to function is literally hours, and I have to do it before and after each time I eat so for a while there I was spending most of my waking hours simply preparing for or recovering from eating ( I am also hypoglycemic and for some reason need to put about 4-6 thousand calories in my system when im not being active just to not drop below 140 lbs, so eating alone takes up too much time)

Enter BHO, savior of my life, cutting my cannabis consumption time down from insane to simply that of a regular pothead (although i sit down and take .2 dabs for as long as a run of the mill stoner smokes bowls) My lungs feel better, and its a lot cheaper than going through an oz of bubble hash a day, but I still cant really afford to keep up with it- especially once you add in the "medibles" i supplement the dabs with

Worst of all, when the strongest form of cannabis known to man becomes something you need a whole bunch of every day just to eat, ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER ACTUALLY USE MARIJUANA FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES!

So for a combination of financial reasons, and so I can actually have a recreational drug in my life, I supplemented my insane cannabis dosages by drinking an insane amount of alcohol daily for years until alcoholism took its toll and I switched to snorting and smoking heroin about a year and a half ago.....

So.... in light of all that it should be pretty obvious that I ask about injecting an mct oil/bho concoction, not because I am a silly needle crazed pot fiend (I have never shot anything despite my heroin addiction) but in fact am looking at this situation from the perspective of economics and harm reduction: I want to spend less of my time and money on something I know I will be using daily for the rest of my life, dabbing as much as I do can't be great for my lungs (although its probably better than just smoking flower), it would be really convenient to get my first dose of the day into me without having a coughing fit or trying to put food into my damaged gastrointestinal system, and if in doing all of this I discover that there is once again a way i can actually get "high" on cannabis it would be a miraculous bonus.

If this is really possible I wouldnt make this my only or even primary way of consuming cannabis, but save it for times when the act of medicating is excedingly tedious or physically painful and for special occasions when I wanted pot to be fun and not just a staple of my existance....

So now that I've plead my case to you bluelight, I will actually get to the physical question part of my question:

I know injecting clean mct oil by itself isn't horrible for you, my research turned up a bunch of stuff that said that IV mct oil is actually used as a treatment for some stuff...

I also know that injecting antything alive (or that was alive) is usually a horrible idea, microbes, bacteria, fungi, etc all live on and in that sort of stuff and theres nothing to filter any of that out if i just put them straight into my bloodstream... (ive heard of that IV marijuana syndrome that people have gotten from esentially making marijuana tea and shooting it after filtering it through dirty cotton t-shirt scraps)

so this is a THREE part question:

1. Would "clean" bho (in solution of mct oil) be safe to inject (or is there some sort of wax in "wax" it that would quite kill me)

2. If clean bho wont kill me to shoot, how would I "clean" well made bho to remove any possible organic matter or other nasty non-injectables

3. Is there anything else I'm not thinking of that makes this obviously dangerous or ineffective?

I assume that if the process is not dangerous that it would actually "work" in terms of effect, THC injections do exist to my knowledge and I believe that they're essentually thc in an oil (any confirmation or clarification on how thc is injected clinically would also be appreciated)

Thanks for entertaining this question again- hope my question is a novel enough spin on the IV marijuana question to not just sound like a rehashing (accidental pun) of the same old stupidity..
 
Wow, I didn't even know that there existed any type of MJ injections. Are they IM? IV? What?

I, off the top of my head, cannot think of anyway that you could make it safe for injection. Maybe someone will have some ideas but not sure I would want to be a guinea pig for it. Micron filters can filter out a lot of stuff so maybe do a little research on that but I still don't think it would be sufficient..of course that's just based on opinion and not any evidence at this moment. Will have to do a little digging around.
 
Would plugging solve the problem ?

The plugging thread is a bad joke...but there is at least one post that might be of use....think its post #32 off the top of my head.

Seems less risky than iv/im


ps - if you've not plugged a substance before its really no big deal or particularly uncomfortable...
 
I'm sure it is possible to isolate the cannabinoids and with some chemistry prepare it for an IV, in a vaguely analogous way to how heroin or morphine comes from poppy pods. However, this is beyond your capability or means and more importantly there is just no point.

If you are seriously entertaining the idea then you you would be bonkers. I would just drop the idea, it's not going to work. Maybe that sounds a bit harsh, but come on, just take a step back and think about what you're asking 8(
 
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There's no way to plug the cannabinoids because they're so lipid soluble. I've heard that it might be possible to make a salt out of it, like acetate, to make it water soluble.

However, benzodiazepines are prepared for IV injection and they're not water soluble. They're in propylene glycol solution, I believe. If you had pure, unadulterated THC, I believe you could inject it in that solution.

Or, you could dissolve a synthetic cannabinoid of high purity in a propylene glycol solution. Plus, they're a lot more potent, mg for mg. Have you considered them?
 
People use cocoa butter or coconut-oil based suppositories to administer infused oil products for treating things like bowel cancer, hemorrhoids or even for those who cannot vaporize or smoke and would prefer the rectal route as opposed to taking edibles. I've done it myself using plastic suppository molds bought online with coconut oil and BHO. It worked on my bowel issues and was convenient.

I think the stuff you are trying to come up is something like tween 80 rather than propylene glycol. Still, again, I am completely against the idea, I think it's nuts.
 
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People use cocoa butter or coconut-oil based suppositories to administer infused oil products for treating things like bowel cancer, hemorrhoids or even for those who cannot vaporize or smoke and would prefer the rectal route as opposed to taking edibles. I've done it myself using plastic suppository molds bought online with coconut oil and BHO. It worked on my bowel issues and was convenient.
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That's really good to know. Making a coconut-oil based suppository for fat-soluble drugs would be a great method for administration. How fast is it compared to water-soluble plugging? Off the top of my head, cannabinoids (artificial and natural) would be great by that route. I don't know of others, though.
 
I felt the effects within an hour myself, possibly even less although I was on other drugs at the time so it was hard to tell.

I know people are very dismissive of taking cannabis this way but I feel in certain circumstances it has it's place. Getting high just for the sake of it probably isn't a good enough reason to bother but honestly I can't see how it would hurt. If someone wants to stick suppositories up their ass to try something new then who is anyone to say they are wrong? It's certainly more feasible and safer than injecting plant matter.
 
Wow thanks for all the replies so fast....

I have read mixed things about plugging high potency cannabis extracts so figuring I had nothing to lose except a half a g or so of bho I tried it. twice, just to make sure I didnt do it wrong the first time. nothing strong enough to rule out placebo. I have plugged all sorts of opiates (mostly heroin) in attempts to find something better than putting it in my nose and have never, not once, felt enough of something to not feel like it was a waste. the only thing I can think is that my intestines are so badly messed up that they have a drastically lowered absorption rate than those of a normal (non damaged) human. Drugs that break down in the tummy always work a lot better than those that finish breaking down further along into my system and I also figure that lower intestinal absorption might account for the insane amount of calories I have to consume. So plugging is unfortunately out...

As for RC cannabinoids..... heh... I was one of those people that was blasting half grams of jwh-018 at a time out of a glass dick and hallucinating all day by the time they made it illegal.... I saw some really scary shit happen to people at high doses of unmitigated cb1 agonists and am not all that unconvinced that I'm not gonna die of lung cancer from that period of my life.... Ive come to the conclusion that even 100% pure thc would not be what I'm looking for because the interaction between a diverse array of cannabinoids seems to be (at least for me) what produces the ideal effect both recreationally and medicinally- what appeals to me about iv BHO over lets say marinol or an RC cannabinoid is the "full spectrum" nature of the extraction... i would be interested in seeing something like "sativex" that at least has 2 cannabinoids instead of just one.
 
something I just thought of: I've seen threads on IVing marinol pills before and the general consensus was that it would be bad because you would have to IV sesame oil. I looked into it and apparantly IV sesame oil is actually not totally unheard of and not as horrific as people thought it sounded....

So my question is : Does marinol (the liquid inside the ball, obv. not the capsule itself) simply contain thc in sesame oil or are there other "inactives"? I tried to vape one off foil once before I found out it was in oil and very soon after heat was applied the clear liquid quickly turned a scary unnatural dark pinkish color before producing a burning oil smoke that I didnt not want to inhale. This experience has made me wonder about the contents of this liquid for some time.

I am assuming that with my tolerance, even if it were perfectly fine to IV, I would need a hell of a lot of little 2mg marinol gelcaps to equal a decent dose, and once I got there it would probably not be THAT awesome because of the lack of other cannabinoids, but it would probably still be the only useful thing to do with them if I get my hands on them again, so it would be good to know what the heck is in them.
 
maybe try some JWHxxx with a micron filter? i have no idea. maybe its time to try something else as weed does not seem to be working for your problems. there are nausea meds out there like zolfran/ondasetron(sp?) and others.

as for the marinol, i have no idea whats in them, so research research research their ingredients. however you should realize, as a former heroin addict, that most drugs are vastly stronger IVd. cannabanoids especially, they are unique in the way that the faster they get in your system the more effective they are, so IV would be exponentially more powerful than smoking, which is exponentially more effective/efficient than eating (when comparing equal doses)
 
Regarding nausea, I have had problems with it many times over the years. I've had anorexia/bulimia since I was about 9 and I've been through a number of re-feedings.

Zofran (ondansetron) helped a little, although not too much. Metoclopramide (Reglan) was a godsend. It also helps tremendously with gastroparesis and other stomach/GI problems. Diphenhydramine (supposedly antiemetic) simply made me more nauseated. Ketotifen didn't help.
 
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