predisposition to gurning

[Tranced]

Since I first did pills people have always commented that my gurn is quite strong. I can't keep still on pills anyway, but my jaw is something else. There is certainly no way I could get away with being on them if it came to it, it's just too obvious.
Someone coined the title "duracell bunny on speed" has stuck with me for years.

I then noticed that when I do base (UK amphetamine) it is exactly the same. There have been times I have tried to use base as a social enhancer and aimed for a dose that will work yet still allow me to sleep later on that night (note to self - this never works) thinking to myself "no one will ever notice this". However, I have been sussed by people without fail, every single time with people claiming that my jaw is grinding - "are you on pills, you look fucked again". I don't even realised I'm doing it. I know that base can make you gurn, but I really give the game away yet again. Most recent case in point was trying to get in to the most pikey establishment in Newcastle (fuck knows what I was doing there). My two mates paid themselves in and one of the bouncers stopped me short claiming I was "obviously on pills because I had an e jaw" before my mates were promptly refunded and we were kicked off the premises. Gutted. I tried proclaiming that it was infact my hunky cheek bones, unfortunately to no avail.

This Saturday I was at a mates house party. I got myself a gram of coke. Having had my first line in the toilet I retreated back to the party. About 15 minutes later my mate asked what I was doing, because my jaw was firing all over the place again. I just couldn't keep it still.

It has also gotten to the point that when I'm on pills I seem to accumulate this disgusting stuff on my lips. They sort of seem to go a bit scabby and dry and look really bad, but I can pick it off and the next day they are fine and have no damage. They even sometimes go blue.

It really does get quite bad, seeing is believing.

It appears that I have some sort of predisposition to gurning/jaw clenching when I'm on drugs.

Does anyone have a scientific take on this? Any particular reason why I might be prone to this than others?

I know that magnesium can help, something I am yet to try (no score to getting the shits), but I'm assuming that this isn't due to a lack of magnesium or anything like that. I assume it's not as if it's released naturally, at 800MG's a time or whatever is the reccomended dose to prevent your average gurn. I can only assume I would require some heroic, shit inducing dose that would have me firing fizzy gravy for a week.

Cheers.

 

[BilZ0r]

Well it's definately worth trying 500-1000mg of magnesium. Work up from lower doses, a lot of people find 1000mg doesn't give them the shits at all.

Anyway, there are all kinds of things I could make up to explain why this happens to you, but I don't think it would do any good. Facial nerves are stimulated by serotonin and noradrenaline and some people use this as an explanation of why gurning/jaw clenching happens. We don't even know if this is true, so it's hard to explain why you gurn so bad if we don't know why people gurn in the first place.

 

[serpent]

i find it to be psychosomatic.if i question things in my mind,without noticing it i start to gurn,emptying my mind ,accepting whatever comes to the minds eye and trying to visualise positive things helps me to keep my jaw in check.

 

[C6H6]

Many direct and indirect dopamine agonists cause gnawing and vacuous chewing in lab animals. That's probably the equivalent of the effects you're getting. It's mediated by a dopamine receptor subtype, I can't recally by which one. Maybe that DR type is oversensitive in your case.

 

[Dr. Beat]

Anyway, there are all kinds of things I could make up to explain why this happens to you, but I don't think it would do any good. Facial nerves are stimulated by serotonin and noradrenaline and some people use this as an explanation of why gurning/jaw clenching happens. We don't even know if this is true, so it's hard to explain why you gurn so bad if we don't know why people gurn in the first place.

when i take high doses of Reboxetine, a very strong NARI, i get no jaw grinding at all, (but i blink a lot !) but if i take small doses of amp or meth amp, and drink alcohol on them, i get hugs amounts of jaw grinding.

TranceD - try not drinking alcohol, because it makes my jaw grinding much worse.

 

[BilZ0r]

*shrug* Maybe it's the dopamine like ^^^ say. I'm just saying I've read posts where people have said "serotonin stimulates the facial nerve, that's why you get bruxism"

 

[Dr. Beat]

*shrug* Maybe it's the dopamine like ^^^ say. I'm just saying I've read posts where people have said "serotonin stimulates the facial nerve, that's why you get bruxism"

I agree that seratonin controls alot of facial muscles. Especially strong facial expressions like widdening the eyes (eg. surprise), or happy ness, or wonderment, and especially SMILES. I always have believed that smiles = seratonin. Alot of People on MDMA get very expressive, which on the night seems great, but on photos a week later look retarded !

I care for a woman with a servere brain injury (car crash) and she is on 10 baclophen's a day, which increases seratonin i read somewhere, and she increadably strong face expressions. Of course her brain injury could be the cause, but she seems super happy most of the time, and has increadable strong face expressions.

Just my guess.

Also i read on www.acnp.org that seratonin neurons fire faster when humans or animals chew, (and when cats lick them self !)

 

[BilZ0r]

Believe it or not, there is good evidence that baclofen does increase 5-HT release, [1, 2].

There's a lot of evidence for 5-HT in modulation is motor function, at least according to that ANCP article... but yeah.. it's complex, I don't completely buy that article anyway... but we'll see.