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Bupe Precipatated WDs from taking other opioids AFTER bupe?

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Hi, this is my first post here in a long time and I did look around a little but didn't find the answer to this question:

SWIM is in the middle of a 7 day suboxone detox (detoxing from other opiods) and yesterday was day 3. Stupidly a bit of dope came SWIM's way (what should had been a good amount) and they figured they could break through the bupe as they had in the past when they were prescribed it long term (it has been a couple years since then). SWIM's partner also had started their first day of suboxone detox and had taken about 2mgs IV that morning (the only reason SWIM is IV'ing it is that for some reason around here they are not easy to find and will have gotten a total of 5.5 8mg tabs for both and SWIM read they were around 3x as effective through this route, due to sublingually only having a 33% biovalibility (correct SWIM if they are wrong there). Anyways here is what happened:

SWIM and their friend did feel a rush, itchiness etc. at first from the dope, but it lasted much shorter than it should have. Then a while after wearing off SWIM became very very cold (SWIM literally was under a stack of blankets w/their partner with teeth chattering). SWIM did not vomit or get diarreha, but SWIM's partner literally threw up and urinated at the same time. SWIM and their friend did also scrape the cooker after and split that (there was a bunch of residue and a big cotton left). Was this precipatated WDs or simply cotton fever? Also, the buzz only lasted 2 hours at most, will this mess up the 7 day detox? Also, SWIM did do a five day detox about 3.5 weeks before this (then SWIM started using EOD, then used ED for almost a week; SWIM is much more determined this time to stay clean). SWIM has never really tapered the bupe when using it for short term detox (when SWIM had health insurance the detox he went to gave 16mg's for 3 days then stopped and WDs were minimal).

SWIM tried to take a low dose (1mg or less) when getting sick and it did not help. Finally after sleeping for the night (with a combo of benzo's (which swim is normally on), clonidine, and trazadone) SWIM woke up feeling better, took a 2mg dose and is now very slightly itchy, eyes pinned etc.

SWIM does have one theory too: could the severe precipatated WD's (if they were that) actually speed up the detox process? I know they use rapid detox with nalaxone, could this have a similar effect?

SWIM feels stupid for doing that yesterday, but in the past it either broke through for SWIM or it didn't; he doesn't remember it causing this (but that was when on it long term).

Also if there is a thread that answers these questions just point me in the right direction so I can help SWIM out.

Thank you for your time.
 
sorry about using SWIM, I just was doing more reading and realized that it is not used here. Sorry about that, was just used to it from everywhere else. This site's reasoning makes perfect sense though.
 
Yes I think the precipitated WD speeds up detox (until u stabilize on the sub, then the sub takes on it's usual role of only prolonging suffering- tho IMO I would rather suffer a little longer and use the sub to cover up WD for 4-7 days as needed than go thru it unaided)
Anyway that's my opinion.
 
I'm kind of puzzled as to what happened here, a few possibilities, precipitated withdrawals are most likely not one. (they only occur when using bupe after heroin not the other way around)

1. candidate would be a dirty shot , some kind of bacteria in the heroin or in the cotton made you sick , the heroin covered up the symptoms for the first few hours then your brain caught on to what was happening in your body as it were.


2. the heroin brought back the withdrawals full force after wearing off , still 2 hours seem awfully short for heroin so I think number one is the most likely candidate for explaining what happened to you and your friend. And yes using heroin while "detoxing" will more or less set you back to square one.


p.s there is an "edit" button next to the reply button, which can be used to rectify posts.
 
thank you for your reply, I think I will keep my sub detox to seven days due to not wanting to get hooked on that (and it still gives me four days after the last shot, also my habit is probably not as bad as most that are asking ?'s, it was like one bag a day (they are probably 0.1's, although they aren't done the same here probably as in other places, they aren't they sealed glassines I hear about from like NYC) with some days missed until I did a couple a day for 4 or 5 days. Alot of people may not even be in WD from the time/amount used but I think my history adds to it.

does it really set you completely back to square one? even on shot after a couple days of none?
 
You really think it just prolongs it? In the past it did seem to get me through the WDs with minimal suffering, do you think this could be an individual sort of thing?
 
Well it covers the heroin WD but if u use it then U gotta stop the sub and that hurts a little too. I look at it as a righteously steep taper on day one and two, stabilize on sub on day 3 (comfy on it) then you good for a few days...then drop the sub, finishing your taper. Just that little bit of stimulattion bupe offers is enuf to help dope WD a lot! Something always better than nothing. In Asia Kratom is the old remedy used in a similar way to bupe, but without blockade effect at hi doses
 
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