Chemicalreality
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There's 3 parts to this thread!
1st: I just talk about a few drugs & how Ive changed what I take now from taking drugs recreationally when & was younger to mostly taking them to self medicate & what I thinks been practical for me. remember for me I said. I dont encourage poeple take oxy or handfuls of valium as a quick fix to temporarily feel normal or high.
2nd: Questions about benzos & advice to try to balance my usage so I dont end up feeling worse than before I started. I also talk about a few things I know about antidepressants & just ask if anyone else has any recommendations or good websites comparing efficiency. Please dont tell me to ask me dr cuz he knows best cuz he doesnt. Every dr I go to says a different one. How can they tell which AD would work best for you from talking to u for 1/2 hr. Id rather talk with people who have tried a few themselves so I can atleast make an educated guess of which ones I should consider first
3rd: Im just suggesting the idea of a efficiency of antidepressants BL poll
I'm not sure if this would be what I've heard being called an individual speculation thread but peoples comparison of benzos & opiates have a positive correlation
When I was 16 I was always got in more trouble at school & found it harder to concentrate in class because I was hyperactive but it was only after I started smoking pot, cigarettes & drank that I started to feel slightly depressed. As I got older & tried more drugs like stimulants & psychedelics I slowly felt worse & worse but in general I would use drugs only recreationally. I party & socialize or just to try new things. Mental health problems run in my family. So I was I dunno whether it is completely the effects of drugs that have made me as bad as I am today but Im sure it contributed. Anyways. The difference is these days. I dont care about partying. Some may say I take drugs recreationally but Im simply just trying to feel closer to the way I used to feel before I had had any depression or anything now. Not trip or get wasted Which is why I dont take uppers, drink or rarely smoke pot any more. I just like to take op8s, benzos, drink coffee & take sleeping tablets.
I take anything just to try to function & anything that I find most dynamic or practical. I take nothing with a hangover or a come down. I like to take valium but I need to take atleast 40mg to even really feel anything. If I had an unlimited supply of it now Id take 70mg. Dont get it wrong. Like I said my aim is to be functional & it doesnt make me feel tired. I can think clearer. Clearer than I would off any amount of alcohol. If I was to attempt to get high, if that's what u wanna call it from valium & try to make myself half asleep Id need over 200mg. Ive obviously never taken that amount & Im guessing cuz ive never taken enough to make me tired. Id limit myself to taking 70mg twice a week when i had something important to do or needed to clean the house or something. So 140mg/week. maybe not twice a week but 4 times of 40mg doses. You get the idea. I take Oxycontin too. 60mg is about right. I function better. anymore & I start feeling like im getting high & not self medicating. If I wanted to get a high Id need about 120mg but again Im not looking to get high cuz than ya get a rebound effect the next day. Any more than 120mg & there would be a good chance Id throw up a few hrs later. I used to take antipsychotics but even low doses were a good idea straight before bed but left me feeling tired for longer in the morning so I only take antihistamines since i cant get zolpidem anymore. If I rarely smoke pot it usually makes me dopey even from a single hit so I dont bother with that anymore but atleast it doesnt have a hangover.
Anyways Ive had bad anxiety for a while now & thought it was about time i tried to get my own script for benzos instead of buying em off a guy when he has them a few times a month. I went to the dr the other day but he didnt wanna help me out much. Only giving me a script to take 3 2mg valiums a day. I just moved to a new suburb so I went to a new dr. I havnt been actually prescribed benzos for over a year. Im considering changing drs back to my old one that I would maybe get 0.5mg of xanax & 10mg of temazepam a day from again. Im not dr shopping or anything Ive always been honest about what scripts Ive been given. I dont tell em I buy oxy of course though. Im just trying to find the right dr. One thats gunna give me pain killers if i have pain. sleeping tablets if I have insomnia, benzos if if Im in a really bad way etc. & stay with him or her. & hopefully they have atleast half the knowledge of meds that most people here on BL do so they're not just guessing.
I was really anxious today. I had no benzos left cuz i basically went through the 50 2mg tablets within 48 hrs so I tried a bottle of Rikodeine 380mg of DHC with the sweetener & laxative 88g of sorbitol. The sorbitol is the problem. Ive read that if u make a habbit of it. it can be bad for ya health obviously. Anyways. that's how desperate I am atm. Im not proud of drinking cough syrup just to try to get through the day. Atleast I didnt get any diarrhea so im happy about that but I dont think I'll do that again & hopefully wont feel so desperate as to do something like that just for an op8 thats apparently more potent than codeine but it feels about the same to me.
Well Ive got a neighbor who has to get drunk everyday to sleep & have had neighbors that shoot so much meth that they'd stay up for a week straight. Im glad I dont need to do that to myself. But the bad thing is they can actually handle it. That would land me in a mental institution. Ive also been cwe'ing codeine to but only when im anxious or have a headache or whatever. I have a very good technique & do 400mg usually. If I didnt have depression, anxiety & a general feeling of being sick I wouldnt have to self medicate. It would be just like the good old days when I could just take drugs for the purpose of recreation which would be healthier because it would be something I would only do on rare occasions.
I dunno if anyone can help me. Drugs like heroin u dont know what ya getting & its usually probably only 30% pure if ya lucky. Its time consuming. & expensive but atleast doesnt have a come down & if controlled properly can be used as required. But not many poeple could control the amount they take if they had a large supply. It would actually be cleaner & have less side effects than oxy if u could get it prescribed & took the actual equivalent dose. But most people like to take as much of the substance they can until the side effects stop them from wanting more. Stims like e & meth ya dont know what ya getting unless its crystal i guess but they're expensive too & makes me feel half psychotic for days once it starts to leave ya body. Also makes me wanna drink non stop water. Water tastes really good. Dunno if other people notice that. But its impossible to eat. Anyways even if ya take vitamines it makes no noticeable difference. Pot makes me forgetful. atleast it's cheap & easily available & I guess it sometimes helps with pain & gives me an appetite back. It's also something that can be used daily & helps me sleep sort of. psychedelics are out of the question for obvious reasons. I'd really enjoy them though if I was feeling good. I dont see morphine around much but I can get oxy. its a little dear & it helps my depression a lot with little side effects & ive been taken it for a while without falling into an addiction to it. No w/d as of yet & u know the exact dose ya taking. So Oxy seems practical for me. Valium & Temazepam seems practical for me too. Ive taken that for years without w/d. I dont know whether to go back to Xanax or not. atleast they come in high enough potency tablets to actually work unlike valium. I think they can prescribe up to 40mg of valium a day but up to 4mg of xanax. Most drs act like the 2mg valiums are the average dose & the 5mg are for the tolerant people. Either they've never taken em or they just have no compassion. I dont see the problem in letting someone taking 10. Even 20mg if they have no tolerance to benzos if they're giving up smoking or something. Benzos are very hard to quit if ya addicted but I also think they're very hard to get addicted too. Most drs wont prescribe a high enough dose or let u take it for long enough to be a problem that a taper wouldnt wouldnt be sol difficult to get through
I really just felt like talking about my drug use & wanted advise on what drugs even if I have to obtain them illegally would be most practical for someone who suffers from depression but mostly anxiety. I already think Oxy is practical. I obviously dont take it daily. Its practical because I only take it when I really need something & its alot healthier than drinking like most people do on social occasions.
Ive heard horror stories about benzos but I cant talk for everyone but for more valium has been a help. the only really flaw is they only come in low dose tablets & arnt very strong. But the long half-life sort of does the tapering for ya. Id like to know peoples advice about xanax. I used to get prescribed it years ago but I only took it for a few months. At about 4mg I would get to the point where I wasnt wasted but happy enough. I remember I was really fit & healthy cuz taking that dose would actually make me wanna exercise. Id ask for 1mg/day instead of 0.5mg & 10mg of temazepam if I was to get it again. I actually find antihistamines are more sedating than 10mg of temazepam. So I can take them instead. I know valium is helpful. I know caffeine is helpful. I know codeine is helpful. I know oxy is helpful. I know Zolpidem or antihistamines are helpful & ive controlled these substances easily over the last few years without any problems. The anxiety & the depression are the problems & im thankful I dont even have to try to not abuse these drugs. Some may consider 70mg of valium or 60mg oxy to be drug abuse but I have a natural tolerance to these drugs. Remember I dont take them every day. I do take the valium & temazepam more than the oxy. I get a stronger effect from a cappuccino or if I use a few tea bags in the one mug. not as comfortable but still has only a mild w/d. Ive never needed to even do a quick taper either. anyways im just being honest. maybe I lack an anzyme that breaks the drugs down or something. idk. A rough guess I take approx 50 5mg valiums/month 35 10mg Temazepams. 160mg oxy/month 400mg codeine 2-3 times a week. Was taking Seroquel but when I was about to run out I tapered off & havnt bothered asking for more. But I take Promethazine which is pretty sedating & it helps my allergies too. 25-75mg/night but going to lower it slowly over the next week & see how I sleep without anything.
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Anyways, now that I've tried to justify my drug use lol. I have a few questions now. I wonder if the drug & alcohol counselor would empathize with the way I'm explaining thing. Tell me if u think im in denial because maybe I am. Maybe I'm delusional & I would be calmer now if Id never taken a benzo in my life, but it did make me wanna actually get stuff done. Anyways, I cant keep living this way. I take my drugs of choice when im at my worse because they're to addictive to take every day & I dont wanna end up feeling worse than what I did before I started. It would be good to have something that could make me more functional that I could take everyday without worrying about tolerance or money. The only thing I can think of is antidepressants. Supplements could be good too. So if anyone has had anything that has actually had a positive effect worth buying, let me know. But first I gotta work out my benzo situation. I can do it legit through the dr & get a more addictive benzo. Just keep buying temazepam & Valium or whatever else is offered or be tempted to buy & get scripted them. So I have a few questions.
How much more addictive is Xanax to Valium?
am I making a huge mistake getting prescribed 1mg a day?
on average I take about valium & temazepam equiv to about 15mg of valium a day of which I would have the option to take on top of the xanax like I said.
Do u think i would have the will power to to just take the xanax the doctor gives me & stop the others?
im assuming i'll just use the xanax & save my money. I know 1mg of xanax is equal to 20mg Valium. but which would have the worse w/d. 1mg xanax or 20mg valium a day?
I know Xanax has a strong peak with a strong crash & w/d wouldnt last as long but because of Valiums long half life does it actually build up in ya system?
Like the first day u take 5mg. 2nd day u take 5mg but ya still feeling the effects of about 2mg from the first day so it would be like 7mg. if u know what i mean. So yeah. Does valium build up in ya system? & if so, how many days does it take to plateau? .. Thats not really important. just curious. the main thing is. I just wanna know if I can handle xanax without it turning around & biting me. i mean i can always taper off it right?
& ive handled a moderate dose of valium for a few yrs now with no w/d. Unless my anxiety is the w/d from the valium.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
. nah im sure i dont get w/d from it. Ive had breaks for months without problems.
If anyone has any other suggestions on meds to help with anxiety let me know. I havnt looked much into Melatonin. Valerian. that sort of thing. I asked the dr about lyrica but he said its for pain.... doesnt sound right.
What do u think would be the least addictive commonly prescribed benzo?
I havn't had Oxazepam. But I remember Lorazepam being weak & Nitrazepam didnt feel to strong either. But I looked up Nitrazepam & Wikipedia & I think it said something about it being less healthy than other benzos. I think it said the same about K-pins. I'll have to look it up again because Clonazepam comes in high potency tablets but with a longer half-life than Xanax so it would be easier to swap from that to Valium if I do actually wanna lower the dose.
Next thing I wanna compare is Antidepressants. I hear alot of bad things about these on BL. practically everyone gets a good response from benzos but something like only 1/2 get benefit from ADs & they're more for lack of motivation than anxiety. Often initially ya anxiety gets worse. If someone could tell me if that's common & how long before ya adjust to it, that would be good.
I did a bit of reading & from several sites Ive found out that zoloft, lexapro, effexor & mirtazepine are the best current ADs with the best reviews. Im mostly focused on these but Im going to find out some info on bupropion too. Mention another one if it's been really helpful though.
Another site said zoloft & lexapro have the least side effects & have the best efficiency in a study.
I know effexor has the worst w/d yet I tried tramadol for quite a while & it was fairly easy to quit. If someone could confirm that effexor is easier to quit tha tramadol I might try it out. If it feels anything like tramadol Id go get it prescribed tomorrow. As long as it's less stimulating than 200mg of tramadol, Id be happy. So if anyone could compare the 2, that would be good. I think tramadol is more closely related to effexor than any other antidepressant. Im fairly sure about that. lexapro has the highest affinity to serotonin. Id also like any information on bupropion. I know they give it out here in Australia under the name zyban because it has similar effects to nicotine.
zoloft is also a weak DRI. Obviously effexor ofcourse is an SNRI & studies Ive read says it works better than Cymbolta. Mirtazepine is also an anthistamine. low doses are better for sleeping but works different to SDRI, SSRIs, & SNRIs
Id like to know the low dose thats best for sleeping. Ive heard of people taking higher doses for a stronger AD effect which doing so may avoid the lucid dreaming side effects that u might get at night at a dose where the antihistamine effect isnt as pronounced because it's outweighed by it's stimulant effect. The lucid dreams I got may be a coincidence & I was probably taking something else too. I cant really say because I only took it for about 2 weeks. Ive read that very high doses of mirtazepine block dopamine & have an antipsychotic effect. If anyone has any experience Id like to know about it.
I dont know if thats true. I can look up the doses ofcourse but it wouldnt be good to take to high a dose & have insomnia. Im pretty sure u can take it with other ADs but not MAOIs
mirtazepine puts on weight more than the other ADs too. mirtazepine works fastest followed by effexor, followed by zoloft. followed by lexapro I think. I think effexors active metabolite pristiq. Im assuming it has the same effect. but im not sure if its completely the same of if effexor is slightly less stimulating because i found pristiq to be be to stimulating. uncomfortable.
Zoloft is the most commonly prescribed AD in the USA. Anyone know the most presribed in the world?
can anyone compare the w/d of these 5 ADs.
Heres the important question. what drugs are dangerous to mix with SSRIs. SNRIs Mirtazapine & Bupropion? & also which drugs does it enhance the effect of?
I read that one of the ADs that wasnt bupropion increased the effects of methadone by 40% or something. Id have to find it again on wikipedia & see if it has any other effects on benzos. there was also one that I think increases the effects of valium.
Does anyone know of any threads on BL regarding good info on ADs?
Does anyone have any links about ADs & comparison of efficansy. drugg interactions. side effects. just any good sites?
Anyone know of any sites where there is a poll where poeple vote which AD works the best for them?
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To the mods: You have a poll on peoples favorite benzos. benzos react differently with different people. Maybe the reaction doesnt vary as much as what it does with antidepressants but generally speaking the average person would get im guessing atleast 70% the same effect as the next person when given the same antidepressant. I think there should be a poll where people vote which AD worked best for them. Obviously u would only be aloud to vote if the AD actually helped them feel better. & if they've tried more than one they can include in there post what they thought was 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. & they could also include in a post if one of the made them feel worse. maybe even listing in order which one made them feel most worst to least worst & also side effects. w/d symptoms etc.
out of effexor, lexapro, zoloft & mirtazepine, I have no idea which one i wanna try first. but i have to wait 6 weeks every time a try one. If there was a poll & say lexapro came out 1st. if lexapro got twice as many votes as mirtazepine. there would be a better chance that lexapro would work better than mirtazepine for me too.
anyways like i said if anyone has any good links of studies comparing the efficiency of a fair amount of ADs please let me know. Ive already found out from several websites that the 4 ADs ive mentioned here have had the best success rates out of all the ADs out so far. I even read the same 4 in a magazine. Old dr was trying to put my on prozac & read that one of them 4 is much superior with much less side effects.
So I request we have a poll on the efficiency of antidepressants. Its not gunna hurt anybody. I think they had one for benzos. Heaps of people were saying xanax. no mods cared that heaps of people might run out & wanna get xanax even though its one of the harder benzos to quit. yet there's a concern that having a poll on ADs might give misleading information. That's a double standard. Anyways...
So hopefully things improve for me. it sux that they sell alcohol & cigarettes within walking distance from like anywhere but if ya feeling like ya dying from a headache & ya having a panic attack they act like ya a terrible heartless human for asking for 10mg of valium or 5mg of oxycodone.
Anyways. just took some antihistamines so im gunna go to bed. if I actually get any responses to this thread & people are interested in long-term treatment. where theres no ups & downs & fuckin around with dealers & wasting money. I might do some research on the best treatments to treat depression and anxiety, than add the studies to this thread. The cool thing is. Than u dont need drugs just to feel normal like everyone else does for free and u can save ya money for better things or drugs that will actually gives you some happiness. Be good if I didnt have anxiety. That way I could actually relax once in a while with benzos or whatever. Probably not a good idea though. Sometimes I question if benzos are making things better or worse. Better if you take them rarely an as needed because stress & anxiety would probably be worse than the tablets. I think it's finding the right balance.
Maybe in 20 yrs they might have decent meds.
drugs that have effects like benzos, opiates, amphetamines etc. with no w/d.
Anyways. Hopefully I find a good dr who gives me something that can help me feel normal. that's all I want. & maybe. if im really lucky. i might even get a little bit of happiness to go along with it.
1st: I just talk about a few drugs & how Ive changed what I take now from taking drugs recreationally when & was younger to mostly taking them to self medicate & what I thinks been practical for me. remember for me I said. I dont encourage poeple take oxy or handfuls of valium as a quick fix to temporarily feel normal or high.
2nd: Questions about benzos & advice to try to balance my usage so I dont end up feeling worse than before I started. I also talk about a few things I know about antidepressants & just ask if anyone else has any recommendations or good websites comparing efficiency. Please dont tell me to ask me dr cuz he knows best cuz he doesnt. Every dr I go to says a different one. How can they tell which AD would work best for you from talking to u for 1/2 hr. Id rather talk with people who have tried a few themselves so I can atleast make an educated guess of which ones I should consider first
3rd: Im just suggesting the idea of a efficiency of antidepressants BL poll
I'm not sure if this would be what I've heard being called an individual speculation thread but peoples comparison of benzos & opiates have a positive correlation
When I was 16 I was always got in more trouble at school & found it harder to concentrate in class because I was hyperactive but it was only after I started smoking pot, cigarettes & drank that I started to feel slightly depressed. As I got older & tried more drugs like stimulants & psychedelics I slowly felt worse & worse but in general I would use drugs only recreationally. I party & socialize or just to try new things. Mental health problems run in my family. So I was I dunno whether it is completely the effects of drugs that have made me as bad as I am today but Im sure it contributed. Anyways. The difference is these days. I dont care about partying. Some may say I take drugs recreationally but Im simply just trying to feel closer to the way I used to feel before I had had any depression or anything now. Not trip or get wasted Which is why I dont take uppers, drink or rarely smoke pot any more. I just like to take op8s, benzos, drink coffee & take sleeping tablets.
I take anything just to try to function & anything that I find most dynamic or practical. I take nothing with a hangover or a come down. I like to take valium but I need to take atleast 40mg to even really feel anything. If I had an unlimited supply of it now Id take 70mg. Dont get it wrong. Like I said my aim is to be functional & it doesnt make me feel tired. I can think clearer. Clearer than I would off any amount of alcohol. If I was to attempt to get high, if that's what u wanna call it from valium & try to make myself half asleep Id need over 200mg. Ive obviously never taken that amount & Im guessing cuz ive never taken enough to make me tired. Id limit myself to taking 70mg twice a week when i had something important to do or needed to clean the house or something. So 140mg/week. maybe not twice a week but 4 times of 40mg doses. You get the idea. I take Oxycontin too. 60mg is about right. I function better. anymore & I start feeling like im getting high & not self medicating. If I wanted to get a high Id need about 120mg but again Im not looking to get high cuz than ya get a rebound effect the next day. Any more than 120mg & there would be a good chance Id throw up a few hrs later. I used to take antipsychotics but even low doses were a good idea straight before bed but left me feeling tired for longer in the morning so I only take antihistamines since i cant get zolpidem anymore. If I rarely smoke pot it usually makes me dopey even from a single hit so I dont bother with that anymore but atleast it doesnt have a hangover.
Anyways Ive had bad anxiety for a while now & thought it was about time i tried to get my own script for benzos instead of buying em off a guy when he has them a few times a month. I went to the dr the other day but he didnt wanna help me out much. Only giving me a script to take 3 2mg valiums a day. I just moved to a new suburb so I went to a new dr. I havnt been actually prescribed benzos for over a year. Im considering changing drs back to my old one that I would maybe get 0.5mg of xanax & 10mg of temazepam a day from again. Im not dr shopping or anything Ive always been honest about what scripts Ive been given. I dont tell em I buy oxy of course though. Im just trying to find the right dr. One thats gunna give me pain killers if i have pain. sleeping tablets if I have insomnia, benzos if if Im in a really bad way etc. & stay with him or her. & hopefully they have atleast half the knowledge of meds that most people here on BL do so they're not just guessing.
I was really anxious today. I had no benzos left cuz i basically went through the 50 2mg tablets within 48 hrs so I tried a bottle of Rikodeine 380mg of DHC with the sweetener & laxative 88g of sorbitol. The sorbitol is the problem. Ive read that if u make a habbit of it. it can be bad for ya health obviously. Anyways. that's how desperate I am atm. Im not proud of drinking cough syrup just to try to get through the day. Atleast I didnt get any diarrhea so im happy about that but I dont think I'll do that again & hopefully wont feel so desperate as to do something like that just for an op8 thats apparently more potent than codeine but it feels about the same to me.
Well Ive got a neighbor who has to get drunk everyday to sleep & have had neighbors that shoot so much meth that they'd stay up for a week straight. Im glad I dont need to do that to myself. But the bad thing is they can actually handle it. That would land me in a mental institution. Ive also been cwe'ing codeine to but only when im anxious or have a headache or whatever. I have a very good technique & do 400mg usually. If I didnt have depression, anxiety & a general feeling of being sick I wouldnt have to self medicate. It would be just like the good old days when I could just take drugs for the purpose of recreation which would be healthier because it would be something I would only do on rare occasions.
I dunno if anyone can help me. Drugs like heroin u dont know what ya getting & its usually probably only 30% pure if ya lucky. Its time consuming. & expensive but atleast doesnt have a come down & if controlled properly can be used as required. But not many poeple could control the amount they take if they had a large supply. It would actually be cleaner & have less side effects than oxy if u could get it prescribed & took the actual equivalent dose. But most people like to take as much of the substance they can until the side effects stop them from wanting more. Stims like e & meth ya dont know what ya getting unless its crystal i guess but they're expensive too & makes me feel half psychotic for days once it starts to leave ya body. Also makes me wanna drink non stop water. Water tastes really good. Dunno if other people notice that. But its impossible to eat. Anyways even if ya take vitamines it makes no noticeable difference. Pot makes me forgetful. atleast it's cheap & easily available & I guess it sometimes helps with pain & gives me an appetite back. It's also something that can be used daily & helps me sleep sort of. psychedelics are out of the question for obvious reasons. I'd really enjoy them though if I was feeling good. I dont see morphine around much but I can get oxy. its a little dear & it helps my depression a lot with little side effects & ive been taken it for a while without falling into an addiction to it. No w/d as of yet & u know the exact dose ya taking. So Oxy seems practical for me. Valium & Temazepam seems practical for me too. Ive taken that for years without w/d. I dont know whether to go back to Xanax or not. atleast they come in high enough potency tablets to actually work unlike valium. I think they can prescribe up to 40mg of valium a day but up to 4mg of xanax. Most drs act like the 2mg valiums are the average dose & the 5mg are for the tolerant people. Either they've never taken em or they just have no compassion. I dont see the problem in letting someone taking 10. Even 20mg if they have no tolerance to benzos if they're giving up smoking or something. Benzos are very hard to quit if ya addicted but I also think they're very hard to get addicted too. Most drs wont prescribe a high enough dose or let u take it for long enough to be a problem that a taper wouldnt wouldnt be sol difficult to get through
I really just felt like talking about my drug use & wanted advise on what drugs even if I have to obtain them illegally would be most practical for someone who suffers from depression but mostly anxiety. I already think Oxy is practical. I obviously dont take it daily. Its practical because I only take it when I really need something & its alot healthier than drinking like most people do on social occasions.
Ive heard horror stories about benzos but I cant talk for everyone but for more valium has been a help. the only really flaw is they only come in low dose tablets & arnt very strong. But the long half-life sort of does the tapering for ya. Id like to know peoples advice about xanax. I used to get prescribed it years ago but I only took it for a few months. At about 4mg I would get to the point where I wasnt wasted but happy enough. I remember I was really fit & healthy cuz taking that dose would actually make me wanna exercise. Id ask for 1mg/day instead of 0.5mg & 10mg of temazepam if I was to get it again. I actually find antihistamines are more sedating than 10mg of temazepam. So I can take them instead. I know valium is helpful. I know caffeine is helpful. I know codeine is helpful. I know oxy is helpful. I know Zolpidem or antihistamines are helpful & ive controlled these substances easily over the last few years without any problems. The anxiety & the depression are the problems & im thankful I dont even have to try to not abuse these drugs. Some may consider 70mg of valium or 60mg oxy to be drug abuse but I have a natural tolerance to these drugs. Remember I dont take them every day. I do take the valium & temazepam more than the oxy. I get a stronger effect from a cappuccino or if I use a few tea bags in the one mug. not as comfortable but still has only a mild w/d. Ive never needed to even do a quick taper either. anyways im just being honest. maybe I lack an anzyme that breaks the drugs down or something. idk. A rough guess I take approx 50 5mg valiums/month 35 10mg Temazepams. 160mg oxy/month 400mg codeine 2-3 times a week. Was taking Seroquel but when I was about to run out I tapered off & havnt bothered asking for more. But I take Promethazine which is pretty sedating & it helps my allergies too. 25-75mg/night but going to lower it slowly over the next week & see how I sleep without anything.
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Anyways, now that I've tried to justify my drug use lol. I have a few questions now. I wonder if the drug & alcohol counselor would empathize with the way I'm explaining thing. Tell me if u think im in denial because maybe I am. Maybe I'm delusional & I would be calmer now if Id never taken a benzo in my life, but it did make me wanna actually get stuff done. Anyways, I cant keep living this way. I take my drugs of choice when im at my worse because they're to addictive to take every day & I dont wanna end up feeling worse than what I did before I started. It would be good to have something that could make me more functional that I could take everyday without worrying about tolerance or money. The only thing I can think of is antidepressants. Supplements could be good too. So if anyone has had anything that has actually had a positive effect worth buying, let me know. But first I gotta work out my benzo situation. I can do it legit through the dr & get a more addictive benzo. Just keep buying temazepam & Valium or whatever else is offered or be tempted to buy & get scripted them. So I have a few questions.
How much more addictive is Xanax to Valium?
am I making a huge mistake getting prescribed 1mg a day?
on average I take about valium & temazepam equiv to about 15mg of valium a day of which I would have the option to take on top of the xanax like I said.
Do u think i would have the will power to to just take the xanax the doctor gives me & stop the others?
im assuming i'll just use the xanax & save my money. I know 1mg of xanax is equal to 20mg Valium. but which would have the worse w/d. 1mg xanax or 20mg valium a day?
I know Xanax has a strong peak with a strong crash & w/d wouldnt last as long but because of Valiums long half life does it actually build up in ya system?
Like the first day u take 5mg. 2nd day u take 5mg but ya still feeling the effects of about 2mg from the first day so it would be like 7mg. if u know what i mean. So yeah. Does valium build up in ya system? & if so, how many days does it take to plateau? .. Thats not really important. just curious. the main thing is. I just wanna know if I can handle xanax without it turning around & biting me. i mean i can always taper off it right?
& ive handled a moderate dose of valium for a few yrs now with no w/d. Unless my anxiety is the w/d from the valium.
. nah im sure i dont get w/d from it. Ive had breaks for months without problems.If anyone has any other suggestions on meds to help with anxiety let me know. I havnt looked much into Melatonin. Valerian. that sort of thing. I asked the dr about lyrica but he said its for pain.... doesnt sound right.
What do u think would be the least addictive commonly prescribed benzo?
I havn't had Oxazepam. But I remember Lorazepam being weak & Nitrazepam didnt feel to strong either. But I looked up Nitrazepam & Wikipedia & I think it said something about it being less healthy than other benzos. I think it said the same about K-pins. I'll have to look it up again because Clonazepam comes in high potency tablets but with a longer half-life than Xanax so it would be easier to swap from that to Valium if I do actually wanna lower the dose.
Next thing I wanna compare is Antidepressants. I hear alot of bad things about these on BL. practically everyone gets a good response from benzos but something like only 1/2 get benefit from ADs & they're more for lack of motivation than anxiety. Often initially ya anxiety gets worse. If someone could tell me if that's common & how long before ya adjust to it, that would be good.
I did a bit of reading & from several sites Ive found out that zoloft, lexapro, effexor & mirtazepine are the best current ADs with the best reviews. Im mostly focused on these but Im going to find out some info on bupropion too. Mention another one if it's been really helpful though.
Another site said zoloft & lexapro have the least side effects & have the best efficiency in a study.
I know effexor has the worst w/d yet I tried tramadol for quite a while & it was fairly easy to quit. If someone could confirm that effexor is easier to quit tha tramadol I might try it out. If it feels anything like tramadol Id go get it prescribed tomorrow. As long as it's less stimulating than 200mg of tramadol, Id be happy. So if anyone could compare the 2, that would be good. I think tramadol is more closely related to effexor than any other antidepressant. Im fairly sure about that. lexapro has the highest affinity to serotonin. Id also like any information on bupropion. I know they give it out here in Australia under the name zyban because it has similar effects to nicotine.
zoloft is also a weak DRI. Obviously effexor ofcourse is an SNRI & studies Ive read says it works better than Cymbolta. Mirtazepine is also an anthistamine. low doses are better for sleeping but works different to SDRI, SSRIs, & SNRIs
Id like to know the low dose thats best for sleeping. Ive heard of people taking higher doses for a stronger AD effect which doing so may avoid the lucid dreaming side effects that u might get at night at a dose where the antihistamine effect isnt as pronounced because it's outweighed by it's stimulant effect. The lucid dreams I got may be a coincidence & I was probably taking something else too. I cant really say because I only took it for about 2 weeks. Ive read that very high doses of mirtazepine block dopamine & have an antipsychotic effect. If anyone has any experience Id like to know about it.
I dont know if thats true. I can look up the doses ofcourse but it wouldnt be good to take to high a dose & have insomnia. Im pretty sure u can take it with other ADs but not MAOIs
mirtazepine puts on weight more than the other ADs too. mirtazepine works fastest followed by effexor, followed by zoloft. followed by lexapro I think. I think effexors active metabolite pristiq. Im assuming it has the same effect. but im not sure if its completely the same of if effexor is slightly less stimulating because i found pristiq to be be to stimulating. uncomfortable.
Zoloft is the most commonly prescribed AD in the USA. Anyone know the most presribed in the world?
can anyone compare the w/d of these 5 ADs.
Heres the important question. what drugs are dangerous to mix with SSRIs. SNRIs Mirtazapine & Bupropion? & also which drugs does it enhance the effect of?
I read that one of the ADs that wasnt bupropion increased the effects of methadone by 40% or something. Id have to find it again on wikipedia & see if it has any other effects on benzos. there was also one that I think increases the effects of valium.
Does anyone know of any threads on BL regarding good info on ADs?
Does anyone have any links about ADs & comparison of efficansy. drugg interactions. side effects. just any good sites?
Anyone know of any sites where there is a poll where poeple vote which AD works the best for them?
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To the mods: You have a poll on peoples favorite benzos. benzos react differently with different people. Maybe the reaction doesnt vary as much as what it does with antidepressants but generally speaking the average person would get im guessing atleast 70% the same effect as the next person when given the same antidepressant. I think there should be a poll where people vote which AD worked best for them. Obviously u would only be aloud to vote if the AD actually helped them feel better. & if they've tried more than one they can include in there post what they thought was 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. & they could also include in a post if one of the made them feel worse. maybe even listing in order which one made them feel most worst to least worst & also side effects. w/d symptoms etc.
out of effexor, lexapro, zoloft & mirtazepine, I have no idea which one i wanna try first. but i have to wait 6 weeks every time a try one. If there was a poll & say lexapro came out 1st. if lexapro got twice as many votes as mirtazepine. there would be a better chance that lexapro would work better than mirtazepine for me too.
anyways like i said if anyone has any good links of studies comparing the efficiency of a fair amount of ADs please let me know. Ive already found out from several websites that the 4 ADs ive mentioned here have had the best success rates out of all the ADs out so far. I even read the same 4 in a magazine. Old dr was trying to put my on prozac & read that one of them 4 is much superior with much less side effects.
So I request we have a poll on the efficiency of antidepressants. Its not gunna hurt anybody. I think they had one for benzos. Heaps of people were saying xanax. no mods cared that heaps of people might run out & wanna get xanax even though its one of the harder benzos to quit. yet there's a concern that having a poll on ADs might give misleading information. That's a double standard. Anyways...
So hopefully things improve for me. it sux that they sell alcohol & cigarettes within walking distance from like anywhere but if ya feeling like ya dying from a headache & ya having a panic attack they act like ya a terrible heartless human for asking for 10mg of valium or 5mg of oxycodone.
Anyways. just took some antihistamines so im gunna go to bed. if I actually get any responses to this thread & people are interested in long-term treatment. where theres no ups & downs & fuckin around with dealers & wasting money. I might do some research on the best treatments to treat depression and anxiety, than add the studies to this thread. The cool thing is. Than u dont need drugs just to feel normal like everyone else does for free and u can save ya money for better things or drugs that will actually gives you some happiness. Be good if I didnt have anxiety. That way I could actually relax once in a while with benzos or whatever. Probably not a good idea though. Sometimes I question if benzos are making things better or worse. Better if you take them rarely an as needed because stress & anxiety would probably be worse than the tablets. I think it's finding the right balance.
Maybe in 20 yrs they might have decent meds.
drugs that have effects like benzos, opiates, amphetamines etc. with no w/d.
Anyways. Hopefully I find a good dr who gives me something that can help me feel normal. that's all I want. & maybe. if im really lucky. i might even get a little bit of happiness to go along with it.
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