• Neuroscience & Pharmacology Discussion Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Recent Journal Articles Chemistry Mega-Thread
    FREE Chemistry Databases! Self-Education Guide

  • N&PD Moderators: Skorpio

Potential RC Bans Coming Up In US

Z

Zardokk

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 1, 2009
Messages
105
I know these bills were drafted back at the beginning of the year, but I've heard little word on them, and would like to hear from anyone who knows anything about the actual status of these bills, as they would essentially decimate the US RC industry. The bills I'm talking about are (of course) H.R. 1254 (aka the Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011) and S. 605 (aka the Dangerous Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011). Both of these bills would virtually ban all synthetic cannabinoids, and the House bill (H.R. 1254) would also ban 15 stimulants, including virtually all of the popular RC stims. If you'd like to read either bill, H.R. 1254 is available here (in PDF), and S. 605 is available here (also in PDF).

For those of you who don't know, and who don't want to bother reading through the PDFs, the bills would ban all of the following substances:

CP-47,497
cannabicyclohexanol or CP-47,497 C8-homolog
JWH-018 and AM678
JWH-073
JWH-019
JWH-200/WIN 55,225
JWH-250
JWH-081
JWH-122
JWH-398
AM2201
AM694
SR-19/RCS-4
SR-18/RCS-8
JWH-203
mephedrone
MDPV
methylone
naphyrone
flephedrone
methedrone/Bk-PMMA
ethcathinone
ethylone
butylone
metamfepramone
alpha-PPP
MOPPP
MDPPP
alpha-PVP
MDAI

The bill also includes more specific wording to virtually make all synthetic cannabinoids illegal, and also allows for an extension of the amount of time that a chemical can be temporarily/emergency scheduled. This bill would wreck the RC industry, and although I'm sure it's been talked about on BL before, I've seen only one or two threads really detailing these bills. So does anyone know what's up?
 
I think both these bills are sitting in subcommittees. Personally I don't expect to see them passed until Obama's reelection. But I could be wrong.
 
You are forgetting the bill that would be the most destructive of all S. 839 banning the following 2c's:
2c-e
2c-d
2c-c
2c-i
2c-t-2
2c-t-4
2c-h
2c-n
2c-p

Psychedelics have no place being grouped in with drugs that cause addiction.
The status of this one is on 4/14/11 it was Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

Methylone and MDAI are the only serious blows IMO in the above bills
 
Nexus298 said:
You are forgetting the bill that would be the most destructive of all S. 839 banning the following 2c's:
2c-e
2c-d
2c-c
2c-i
2c-t-2
2c-t-4
2c-h
2c-n
2c-p

Psychedelics have no place being grouped in with drugs that cause addiction.
The status of this one is on 4/14/11 it was Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

Methylone and MDAI are the only serious blows IMO in the above bills
Click to expand...

I knew there was a 2C-related bill, I just never managed to find it online. Thanks for posting that info Nexus298, that's one more tidbit of knowledge for me, and very scary for the US RC scene indeed. I'm assuming the 2C-X ban bill came as a result of that 2C-E overdose that happened a few months ago? If so, that's very sad because the bad decisions of a particular small group of teenagers and the shady actions of (I believe) one individual vendor are no reason to illegalize and ruin the whole market, but I think that may be what ends up happening. Also, RIP to the teens who we lost to that OD, and F you to the vendor if this was in any way his or her fault.

But as for methylone and MDAI being our only losses...I personally would have to say from my studies that at very least we lost one or two more important chems, mephedrone and MDPV, and the worst part is that it will effectively blanket-ban all cannabinoids as Schedule 1s, meaning that the new legitimate cannabinoid research that is finally getting underway will be destroyed, and we could potentially lose some invaluable medicines due to this. Cannabinoids have shown to have a huge variety of medically useful effects from pain relief and treating insomnia to shrinking tumors, as well as many cannabinoids' neuroprotective properties. And on top of all that, cannabinoids (maybe not each one because we all know some have bad chemistry) are amongst the safest and most intellectually valuable drugs of the whole known pharmacopeia.
 
The reckless marketing in of meph and mdpv as bath salts along with spice and k2 throwing any any every cannabinoid they could get there hands on is what brought most of this on.

True about the loss of some cannabinoids is bad. It's just a shame that the crappy ones like jwh-018 became popular first and not one with only partial agonism more on the lines of THC with a safer profile.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/03/2c-e_trevor_robinson_dead_mass_overdose_blaine.php

It states here that these kids had no idea how much to take and just started taking lines and unknown amounts. A vendor still could have been at fault, but it sounds more likely that you just had a group of kids that saw the word drugs and started snorting huge lines of 2c-e. One group of misinformed kids can obviously ruin hundreds of thousands of responsible peoples rights to use a substance. It's without a doubt that this is what caused this bill. It was brought to congress the next month after the OD.

why is this on ADD?
Click to expand...

It probably should be moved to a regional forum.
 
Looks like mostly a bunch of garbage gets banned.

Unfortunate about the 2Cs... not the best psychedelics in all cases by any means, but still the kinds of drugs that can and should be used responsibly if that's someone's wish.

I hope this broad ban on second class stimulants at least provokes the invention of some novel psychedelics, nootropics, and other potentially beneficial substances. Before the rise of mephedrone there was a lot more emphasis on entheogenic research, and I'd like to see a return to that.
 
Nexus298 said:
The reckless marketing in of meph and mdpv as bath salts along with spice and k2 throwing any any every cannabinoid they could get there hands on is what brought most of this on.

True about the loss of some cannabinoids is bad. It's just a shame that the crappy ones like jwh-018 became popular first and not one with only partial agonism more on the lines of THC with a safer profile.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/03/2c-e_trevor_robinson_dead_mass_overdose_blaine.php

It states here that these kids had no idea how much to take and just started taking lines and unknown amounts. A vendor still could have been at fault, but it sounds more likely that you just had a group of kids that saw the word drugs and started snorting huge lines of 2c-e. One group of misinformed kids can obviously ruin hundreds of thousands of responsible peoples rights to use a substance. It's without a doubt that this is what caused this bill. It was brought to congress the next month after the OD.
Click to expand...

Does anyone know what they really OD'd on. If you read the comments, someone that runs with that group of kids is claiming it was actually MDPV. Lots of other claims it was MDPV also but no toxicology confirmation of this AFAIK. This topic was discussed in the "drugs in the media" thread a while back. Some of Ektamine's comments there are haunting.
 
There were 2 different incidents of 2CE deaths in the states, only spaced a couple of months.

One of them has been confirmed to not have been from 2CE at all, but mislabeled Bromodragonfly (yes, again!)

I think the MDPV story was just a rumor though. So one of the incidents was from irresponsible usage of 2CE.
 
All this mislabelled bromo-dragon fly, it's as if vendors want to get rid of it, yet it is legal here (i believe) and I can't find it anywhere o.O
 
Nexus298 said:
The reckless marketing in of meph and mdpv as bath salts along with spice and k2 throwing any any every cannabinoid they could get there hands on is what brought most of this on.

True about the loss of some cannabinoids is bad. It's just a shame that the crappy ones like jwh-018 became popular first and not one with only partial agonism more on the lines of THC with a safer profile.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/03/2c-e_trevor_robinson_dead_mass_overdose_blaine.php

It states here that these kids had no idea how much to take and just started taking lines and unknown amounts. A vendor still could have been at fault, but it sounds more likely that you just had a group of kids that saw the word drugs and started snorting huge lines of 2c-e. One group of misinformed kids can obviously ruin hundreds of thousands of responsible peoples rights to use a substance. It's without a doubt that this is what caused this bill. It was brought to congress the next month after the OD.



It probably should be moved to a regional forum.
Click to expand...


Not to even further derail this thread... but since this is ADD...

can you give me a synthetic cannabinoid that has a closer profile to thc like you described? all of the onces i have research on wikipedia have full agonism similar to JWH18
 
sekio said:
No. ADD doesn't exist to suggest new legal "highs". If you want a compound like THC, stick with THC...
Click to expand...

Wow... Troll... It doesnt?

What about the massively popular "stimulants/opiods/other drugs of the future threads" in ADD where people do NOTHING but suggest and dream new compounds up? Would hyperlink them for you but on phone now.

Anyways, I wasn't asking for someone here to synth a new compound... Many of the JWH compounds are available if u know where to go. I wad nearly asking if any of them were partial agonists like THC because to the best of my knowledge they are all full agonists and can be rather intense like 018.
 
ADD exists to discuss advanced drug topics, the fact it has been abused by people looking to make money does not mean it exists for that purpose
 
Not trying to be an asshole and bump up my own thread, but I'm really curious if anyone knows anything about the status of these bills. Has there been any discussion, is a vote coming up soon or has one taken place, do any of these bills have a likelihood of being shot down? I'm really curious about all of this, and it doesn't seem like it's easy to find much information. I think that if any and/or all of these bills end up passing, it could represent the beginning of a new crackdown on RCs and the gradual implementation of more complicated and comprehensive drugs laws in the US, possibly even bringing the RC era to an end in the states. Granted, this would all take some time, but it is possible.
 
Nexus298 said:
The reckless marketing in of meph and mdpv as bath salts along with spice and k2 throwing any any every cannabinoid they could get there hands on is what brought most of this on.

True about the loss of some cannabinoids is bad. It's just a shame that the crappy ones like jwh-018 became popular first and not one with only partial agonism more on the lines of THC with a safer profile.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/03/2c-e_trevor_robinson_dead_mass_overdose_blaine.php

It states here that these kids had no idea how much to take and just started taking lines and unknown amounts. A vendor still could have been at fault, but it sounds more likely that you just had a group of kids that saw the word drugs and started snorting huge lines of 2c-e. One group of misinformed kids can obviously ruin hundreds of thousands of responsible peoples rights to use a substance. It's without a doubt that this is what caused this bill. It was brought to congress the next month after the OD.
Click to expand...
Not to mention the fact that thanks to the "Analog Act" or whatever it's called, these drugs can be legally sold, they just can't be represented as drugs, and no information on dosing or anything else can be included with it. That's pretty much guaranteed there will be more incidents like this one.

Call me callous, but I had to laugh when I saw the title ("19 year old father..."), the hometown ("Coon Rapids") and that ridiculous picture he took of himself. I mean, I'm sure his mother loved him and all that, but he seems like exactly the type of person that this would happen to.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top