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potential fake blotter or serotonin sickness? a harm reduction message...

aleyna

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yes, i realize this is a very dramatic title. in the interest of harm reduction i wanted to make it that way. since the acid boom of the late 90s, personally my associates have been unable to even find the stuff. i have had a handful of experiences though that were reminiscent of the good clean legitimately synthesized chemical that some of us may be found of. now, this is not a standard trip report but a harm reduction message as well. let me just throw that out there.

blotter was gifted to my associate. the person that gifted it said it was a timothy leary print and obtained in austin, tx here very recently. it was obviously a large design type style because all i saw where various bits of color and shade. apparently there are quite a few of this "brand" in circulation in the atx area.

my associate consumed one hit. previous reports indicated this was the good stuff. after one hour, no noticeable effects. some very intermittent effects were noticed while watching tv, but nothing but that jaggy come up sensation. my associate is rx'ed soma, the muscle relaxer, so one was taken to help level things out and half a beer consumed. my associate has low alcohol tolerance and it was one of those fancy high ABV beers. at an hour, my associate took another hit as did her friend. waited two hours. eventually extreme waves of nausea set in which my friend had never experienced on the lsd of her younger heydays... dry heaving lasted approx 2 hours and then mild visuals set in. there was no mind-expanding quality to the drug. everything was focused on very small minute options and the world was closing in. familiar with how to turn a bad trip, my friend's more experienced trip buddy administered water to stave of dehydration and used various techniques to take the girls mind off of the physical negativity of trip. then the leg spasms. the most insane leg spasms ever. she was jerking and flopping around like someone else has control of her legs. she described the feeling as severe akathesia combined with a charlie horse type cramp. during this time she was hyper vigilant, monitoring vitals. fever never set in, but some advil was taken just in case. she was worried about the dreaded serotonin toxicity. meanwhile, her trip buddy after three hours or so started to get some effects. fever never peaked. in the instance of serotonin syndrome/toxicity a fever will start caused by the severe convulsions and clonus spasms in the body. an executive decision was made not to seek medical help. eventually the clonus type spasms stopped but severe nausea subsisted. anyhow, given the profile of said blotter, the two decided it was definitely not acid. as to what it was, there is one hit left in their possession, and they asked me if there was anything akin pillreports.com for blotter. they don't know if it was a crazy reagent that didn't get washed or some crazy research chem being passed off as acid, or perhaps my friend did have an encounter with the dreaded serotonin storm.

in the interested of harm reduction she wanted me to get the message out. let it be said this girl takes no other seretogenic type drugs and serotonin syndrome happens generally when a person is on several seretogenic medications or drugs and can potentially be FATAL. her friend, a very experienced tripper was not even aware of such side effects, but she didn't want to worry him. in retrospect, i told her she should probably have gone to the hospital but it eventually broke.

when she got home she took some xanax which immediately got rid of the lingering spasms and nausea, was able to eat a simple and bland meal and hold down water again. she really wants to let people down in atx and surrounding areas to beware of this blotter. it may have been a one off experience but it was such a painful and physically miserable experience, she would have to have someone else experience it.

please educate yourself on the rare possibility when taking seretogenic drugs that serotonin sickness can happen. it is essentially POISONING and can be life threatening. in mild cases cessation of the drug, short acting benzodiazapines, and observation are generally administered. in more severe cases, a serotonin antagonist can be administered. if it is even more severe than that, a coma may be induced. obviously this is something that you need to take seriously. please, there is a great wiki article explaining this which you may find here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome. i am sure many bluelighters are aware of this form of toxicity but she was adamant about getting the word out as much as possible.

again she would also like to know if there is a place that can be sent for testing... any advice in this arena would be greatly appreciated. i spoke with my friend today and while she was able to get some sleep and eat she can barely get out of bed due to the residual leg pain.

be careful and safe psychonauts. know the risks, now what can happen. not to sound dramatic, but you don't want a death on your hands. thankfully my friend was able to monitor her condition, but if clonus type spasms did not break and fever hit, she would have gone to the hospital. this wasn't a bad trip, this was actual physical agony.

she also wants to warn the austin community of this particular blotter just in case it is adulterated.

*mods* i am new to bluelight and was not sure where to put her message. thank you for moving it to the appropriate thread.

-a
 
I think many BLers are already pretty aware of serotonin sickness. I'll move to Psychedelic Drugs.

Welcome to Bluelight aleyna :)

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Serotonin syndrome gets mentioned a lot here, but there are very few actual cases of it. This sounds more like a case of misrepresented drugs. Don't think i've ever heard of LSD causing those symptoms. No one can know for sure what you were given without testing, and the only blotter testing place i'm aware of is in the Netherlands, and i'm unsure of whether or not they take international samples. Sorry you guys were exposed to some random substance represented as LSD.
 
Yeah be very cautious to label something serotonin syndrome. I'm not buying that for a second especially since there doesn't seem to be a valid reason for it. I don't think compounds that fit on blotters can cause it by themselves, you need at least an interaction with something like Lithium or Tramadol or whatever. So I don't think it was any mystery compound. Just weak acid if you didn't really trip.

It would help if there had been other people who displayed strange effects from these same blotters that hold together a consistent picture.

Now, stuff like soma can cause paradoxical reactions like spasms I think. And nausea and vertigo from combining beer and soma is definitely not far-fetched!! Normally you guys may have gotten away with it but the acid could have catalyzed it a whole lot. It may have exacerbated the paradoxical effects of the soma to add a touch of seizure/epileptic-like activity or whatever brand of neural over-activation this apparently was.

What random substance represented as LSD would this supposedly have been? I am not reading anything about actual psychoactive effects that point to something like that.

I advise you to be less casual about mixing drugs even when the soma is prescribed. If you don't want risks you shouldn't take any drug at all. I'm sorry you (or your friend) had a bad experience but take a second before trying to blame all sorts of self-diagnosed phenomena on all sorts of causes.

Maybe I am missing something here so I don't mean to be callous, just try to explain it if you think I am missing something
 
I've had no problems combining soma with psychedelics - but if shes RX'ed soma as a muscle relaxant, and took her normal dose, i'd suggest that she might be predisposed to muscle spasms - and acid isn't easy on the muscles (i get muscle cramps on it - but rarely from any other psych).

I'd say that that was a weak trip (possibly blunted by the soma + beer) combined with physical sideffects ending up being unpleasant. No surprise there.
 
Good point there, probably more likely than my paradoxical effect idea.

While I don't directly see the harm in trying to find a reasonable explanation for what happened, just FYI we will not be ID-ing your blotters here.
 
thank you for the feedback.... all very valid points. no more than six ounces of beer (of standard ABV... no crazy 10 percent belgian super ales) were consumed, but again, probably not in the best idea. and again, the soma, which was taken several hours later prior to imbibing alcohol, though a prescription medication, once again, not in the best interest to take something like that (and a normal therapeutic dose.... i know from first hand experience about the dreaded soma shakes!). these muscle spasms were not the typical ones she is predisposed to, but exponentially worse and in a different part of the body. generally acid has always been very smooth for her. my friend had previously been on remeron therapy (mitrazapine) but had under medical advice stopped taking it about a month prior to this experience. could that have caused a potential interaction? i realize i am taking some crap for bringing up serotonin syndrome, but the side effects were so frighteningly similar it was a bit of a worry. that said, i am not asking anyone to ID the blotter here but was just more curious if there were any testing agencies or resources that could help provide some elucidation on the situation. feedback was rather appreciated, though. a friend of mine advised me that serotonin syndrome is a bit of a hot button in this community and my apologies for bringing it up. i'm sure there are lots of noobs (i myself am not a prolific poster, but quite a regular reader) that self diagnose, jump to conclusions, and such. and it is a very valid point that if you don't want any negative side effects, just avoid all together! that said, i shall slink off with my tail between my legs! i genuinely thank you for your constructive criticism and shall chalk this one up to a mystery. again, my apologies for pushing any buttons, my friend was just genuinely trying to gain some insight into the situation and i will let her know. again, thanks for providing the BL community. it truly is an invaluable resource and perhaps this information will help her process what happened. and this is why i avoid these classes of drugs at all costs and stick to my beloved mj.

cheers to my fellow blue lighters,
nancy
 
Okay then :) speaking for myself I meant it all out of constructive criticism, I think we all did/do tho. I applaud trying to get to the bottom of things like this, though I hope that there is enough evidence to go on. The most tangible thing we have is probably the blotter if there is any left, other than that we can sit here speculating until we've circled the sun again and we'd all be none the wiser.

You don't have to feel scared off, if you realize a couple of things that you didn't before thats great. Other than that I think what would be welcome in the thread is more info or experience data about muscle spasms, seizures, epilepsy, LSD-induced vasoconstriction and medications for the aforementioned things and how they might fit together. I know about paradoxical effects also possible with things like benzodiazepines and they tend to come unexpected which is logical. But if someone would shine some more light on all of this we could all benefit from it and we might even get a fitting explanation for what happened to her.
 
Sounds like you got alex greys, in atx. Those are a very well known set of dob blotter adulterated with a little l so if it is tested it will trigger for l. The people you are involved with are very shady don't care about you or your friends health and you need to stop doing biz with them. They have been producing here in tx for at least 4 years as thats when I first met them. Also the heads in ATX now about that blotter and have known for a long time, they sell that shit to lames and people who dont know what their talking about since its much cheaper to produce and procure, I believe a gram is about the same price as a v street and will produce a few sheets at least
 
Alright thanks for the info. Only now do I realize that it was said it took 2 hours for actual effects to set in. That is indeed a tell-tale for DOX compounds and I'm sorry I did not notice that earlier.
 
imo the symptoms for SS are just plain ridiculous and very very general....i mean you could tech have all the symptoms as SS without actually even having it...... please correct me if i am wrong !
 
Thanks, but I don't think we were on that anymore. So trying to drive that point home mostly keeps our attention focused on it. I appreciate that we seem to agree on it though. :)
 
Sounds to me like it may have been strychnine. Years ago (LSD?) was often adulterated with it. The strychnine itself I guess caused tripping along with a hell of a stomach ache. Symptoms sound disssimilar though.
 
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