Pot dispensaries closing under threat of feds [updated 6/22]

skoat said:
I really hope the DEA gets its funding cut.

If marijuana goes legal or semi-legal, the DEA will get its funding cut, by quite a bit. Hence their thrashing about now.

The answer here would seem to be having the city or state house the dispensaries. Let's see the DEA try to seize that shit.
 
kidamnesiac said:
its amazing so much of the declaration was dedicated to acts that the government of these united states is carrying out now against it's citizens via the drug, terror, and green wars. in fact, waging wars against the citizens is explicitly listed as a reason for leaving the kingdom...

man, hancock, jefferson and the lot sure could write, eh?



I know, your consitution is null and void.


oh the irony.... :\
 
dilated_pupils said:
I can't believe I just read this whole thread, it's literally ridiculous.

First off, pot is usually rated very low on almost every scale or rating in publications I've read... for example:

(1) Heroin (most harmful).
(2) Cocaine.
(3) Barbiturates.
(4) Street Methodone.
(5) Alcohol.

(6) Ketamine.
(7) Benzodiazepines.
(8) Amphetamine.
(9) Tobacco.
(10) Buprenorphine.

(11) Cannabis.
(12) Solvents.
(13) 4-MTA (para-methylthioamphetamine).
(14) LSD.
(15) Methylphenidate (ritalin).

(16) Anabolic steroids.
(17) GHB (gamma hydroxybutyric acid).
(18) Ecstasy.
(19) Alkyl nitrites.
(20) Khat (least harmful).

I don't have to tell you that this list is literally ridiculous as well, but that's a topic for another thread. ;)
 
dilated_pupils said:
I can't believe I just read this whole thread, it's literally ridiculous.

First off, pot is usually rated very low on almost every scale or rating in publications I've read... for example:

(1) Heroin (most harmful).
(2) Cocaine.
(3) Barbiturates.
(4) Street Methodone.
(5) Alcohol.

(6) Ketamine.
(7) Benzodiazepines.
(8) Amphetamine.
(9) Tobacco.
(10) Buprenorphine.

(11) Cannabis.
(12) Solvents.
(13) 4-MTA (para-methylthioamphetamine).
(14) LSD.
(15) Methylphenidate (ritalin).

(16) Anabolic steroids.
(17) GHB (gamma hydroxybutyric acid).
(18) Ecstasy.
(19) Alkyl nitrites.
(20) Khat (least harmful).

This was taken from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65988.php

I know there's plenty others just like it but they rated these drugs by:

(1) Physical harm to the user,
(2) Tendency to induce dependence in the user, and
(3) The effect of its use on families, communities and society in general.


I think this is very interesting but odd that pot is more "dangerous" than solvents (!!??!?). And where are the opiates? Also, what is alkyl nitrites and Khat? Nice research tho.:)
 
I keep trying to post and put another post in the reply but I think I'm fucking it up. Sorry guys
 
emerald2303 said:
dilated_pupils said:
I can't believe I just read this whole thread, it's literally ridiculous.

First off, pot is usually rated very low on almost every scale or rating in publications I've read... for example:

(1) Heroin (most harmful).
(2) Cocaine.
(3) Barbiturates.
(4) Street Methodone.
(5) Alcohol.

(6) Ketamine.
(7) Benzodiazepines.
(8) Amphetamine.
(9) Tobacco.
(10) Buprenorphine.

(11) Cannabis.
(12) Solvents.
(13) 4-MTA (para-methylthioamphetamine).
(14) LSD.
(15) Methylphenidate (ritalin).

(16) Anabolic steroids.
(17) GHB (gamma hydroxybutyric acid).
(18) Ecstasy.
(19) Alkyl nitrites.
(20) Khat (least harmful).

This was taken from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65988.php

I know there's plenty others just like it but they rated these drugs by:

(1) Physical harm to the user,
(2) Tendency to induce dependence in the user, and
(3) The effect of its use on families, communities and society in general.


I think this is very interesting but odd that pot is more "dangerous" than solvents (!!??!?). And where are the opiates? Also, what is alkyl nitrites and Khat? Nice research tho.:)


thats the same list as was on the BBC Horizon ep.

alkyl nitrites are poppers,
and khat is just a plant that can be chewed for mildly stimulating effects.
it can be bought from ethnic stores in the UK,
but is randomly banned in other western countries
(ie, LOOK DRUG OMG BAN BAN BAN)
 
Indelibleface said:
I don't have to tell you that this list is literally ridiculous as well, but that's a topic for another thread. ;)

Oh I know that most of the lists are ridiculous but I just used one as an example that I knew people have seen before. That's another thing, everyone who does experiments and research tend to come out with different data and different results, which I find highly amusing actually, since that's contradicting everyone and what they have 'researched'.
 
the feds are such cocksuckers.


now that "dagger in the heart" was pussy though. come on, mj is everywhere and it isnt going anywhere
 
^Maybe you should take a course in American Politcal Science. State laws are not legal if they violate federal law. Hey, I love pot too, and have personally had numerous sweet tastes of from northern and southern cali dispensaries...but the law is the law. If you can't deal with it, well then go on a street corner and start preaching (drunk) about how full of shit Darwinism is. :|
 
Where on earth did that list come from (I mean original source, not the BBC)?

I still have yet to hear about anyone dying of a marijuana overdose. Pot more harmful than anabolic steroids and MDXX?

And in response to the tax argument: dispensaries tax marijuana and cannabis products at the same rate as other goods. Special Tea Party, anyone? 8)
 
MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES: A LOT OF SMOKE

The Drug Enforcement Administration months ago served notice to medical marijuana dispensary landlords in the Santa Barbara area that they may face prosecution and confiscation of their deeds for tolerating the sale of an illegal substance on their property.

"Federal law takes precedence over state law," declared the letter, delivered to about a dozen such dispensaries in Santa Barbara and Goleta. "It is not a defense to this crime or to the seizure of the property that the facility is providing 'medical' marijuana under California law including the provisions of California Proposition 215," which was passed as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 to ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain marijuana for medical purposes based upon a physician's determination.

"Violation of this law is a felony crime," the DEA letter continued, "and carries with it a penalty of up to 20 years in prison."

Special Agent Sarah Pullen, the DEA's public affairs officer in Los Angeles, provided The Investigator with a copy of the Notice Letter, but refused to identity its recipients or comment on whether the Santa Barbara Police Department or Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department cooperated with them on this other than "the DEA maintains a good working relationship" with both departments.

However, Police Department spokesman Sgt. Lorenzo Duarte told The Investigator, "The only thing we have done with the DEA is, when they requested local addresses of dispensaries we suggested they contact the city licensing office."

The DEA has no special agents in Santa Barbara and runs its Santa Barbara and Goleta operations from a Ventura field office. Its aggressive policy, according to Rep. Lois Capps's office in Washington, D.C., reflects the Bush administration's hard line against states-rights medical marijuana laws, despite a campaign promise from George Bush in 2000 to allow states to decide the issue themselves.

Kris Hermes, a spokesman for Safe Access Now, told The Investigator that in the late 1990s the DEA targeted California medical doctors by threatening to revoke their prescription licenses if they recommended marijuana. "It didn't work, so now they're trying to frighten landlords into evicting their marijuana dispensing tenants," said Mr. Hermes. "Since July 2007 the DEA has sent 300 letters [throughout California], but has taken no action."

It would fall upon the Department of Justice to spearhead prosecutions and, according to Mr. Hermes, "there is no evidence that the U.S. Attorney's Office has shown any interest in getting involved.

"In a psychological campaign to undermine state law," he added, "the DEA has been able to intimidate an entire population of property owners. But it has no real teeth."

Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles, seemed to confirm this. "The DEA can't file a criminal thing. I can't think of any cases in which we've prosecuted landlords." And it did not appear that any such action was in the pipeline.

Mr. Hermes said the feds are also providing "sensationalist information" to local public officials purporting that marijuana dispensaries are a public nuisance that attract crime. Sixty-three cities in California have banned marijuana dispensaries.

Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department spokesman Sgt. Alex Tipolt told The Investigator, "I wouldn't say these dispensaries attract crime in general, and I wouldn't say they're a public nuisance."

Santa Barbara hosts a dispensary system open to abuse and, based upon The Investigator's random visits, some customers quite likely do not suffer the kinds of illnesses -- cancer or glaucoma -- for which the Compassionate Use Act was designed. There is no limit to the number of dispensaries that can be visited -- or how often -- by "certified patients," who are permitted to buy up to eight ounces of marijuana per visit.

Until recently, when the City Council placed a moratorium on the creation of new dispensaries, all any entrepreneur needed to dispense medical marijuana was a business license and a location from which to operate.

Senior Planner Danny Kato told The Investigator, "We informed the Grand Jury about the dispensaries that are not well run. Our focus is on good-neighbor issues." Mr. Kato added that the city is looking to Sacramento to regulate the amount of marijuana that can be dispensed and the use, by patients, of multiple dispensaries.

How do dispensary proprietors feel about the possibility of confiscation and imprisonment by the feds? Since they seem to understand that they are, at best, bending the rules, they're not saying -- nor have any of them contacted the office of Mrs. Capps, D-Santa Barbara, to complain about the DEA's intimidation campaign, according to her press spokeswoman Emily Kryder.

At Choice Collective, 6326 Lindmar Drive in Goleta, whose business owner is Michael James Warm, no one would speak to The Investigator about either the DEA's letter or its dispensing procedures. When asked the name of the business owner, a young male replied, "It's a collective. We don't have names."

He hung up when asked, "Do you realize how shady that sounds?" ( The Investigator could not find any record of a business license for Choice Collective. )

At Magic Dragon, also in Goleta, no one answered the phone, and the voice mailbox was full.

A call to Patrick Fourny, business owner of The Compassion Center on De la Vina Street in Santa Barbara, went unreturned.

Some say it is this lack of professionalism that prompted the city to place a six-month moratorium on new dispensaries and to subject them to zoning restrictions.

Said Mr. Kato, "Existing dispensaries have a three-year period to comply with the new ordinances."

Mrs. Capps supports medical marijuana and has, every year since 2001, signed the Hinchey/Rohrabacher Amendment, which would restrict the DEA from taking action against medical marijuana in the 12 states that allow it.

"The DEA should focus its efforts on stopping the real threats that illegal drugs pose to our society," Mrs. Capps told The Investigator.

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