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Possible Contaminated batch of Methylone

B1 has a similar dose range to mephedrone for me. 1/5 of my normal M1 dose I doubt I'd even feel, to be honest. I'm not a fan of any of these drugs so far and tend to get all the bad effects and few of the good ones so maybe I just don't get on with them as some do. Only use I have for them is in combo with each other (and a few other things in some cases) when they start to get more interesting. Does seem to be a very wide range of dose and effects for all these bk-type drugs.
 
I dunno man, I bomb 500mg of meph or m1 without a second thought, having messed with those sorts of dosages of buty before and had a fairly fucking unpleasant time I'd be pretty cagey about doing it again, but as you say it's all subjective, maybe buty just doesnt particularly agree with me, I certainly can detect each of their seperate effects tho, I reckon in a lblind test i could identify them...

It maight be an idea for my nest science club :P
 
Oh yeah, I didn't mean you couldn't tell them apart cos they have pretty different effects. Just meant the symptoms you describe I get from M1, B1 and meph. Other effects are definitely different. B1 is much more speedy and "dirty" feeling in a way... but the other two are also speedy and dirty feeling. Just in a different way. I really don't like any of them but they certainly don't feel especially alike. They do share a number of similarities though - especially when it comes to standard stim stuff like rushes, bruxism and general clenchiness.

Dosage is fairly individual too. 500mg for you may be fine for some or put others in hospital. Or maybe you get cut stuff and a better batch would floor you. YMMV as they say. Someone's always got a bigger dick than you.
 
Certainly im not trying to speak with me dick out as it were, just relating my experience as it was. The symptoms of course were general to any stim, I guess in a fairly inarticulate way by explicitly mentioning the bruxism and clenchiness I was suggesting 'substance x' is more of a dopamine bashing gurnmonster than an eye rolling warm and tingly seratonin tickler, and I would put buty in the first camp and m1 in the second camp.

Like, I've had m1 from loads of different sources and i know what sort of dosages work for me and what are reasonable in general and i know that the baby size lines i was using on friday would not have even been enough to feel a thing.Nothing to be proud of by hammering more drugs than anyone except youve got a bigger hole in your wallet to burn I guess. Whichis hardly a thing to be proud of. :D
 
Ah! Snorting M1 is it. Would maybe explain the megadoses. I find it weak as shit snorted. Plus the side-effects are greatly intensified. Bombing or plugging it is so much stronger and more pleasant I don't really see why anyone would snort the stuff. Each to their own, of course :)

Would agree that B1 and meph are much more dopaminesque feeling. I'm fairly certain that meph affects dopamine more than serotonin but not sure about B1 but feels more like dopaminey kinda effects to me. M1 is definitely more up serotonin street, for sure.
 
Hmm... thanks for the warning, OP. I have a new batch of supposed M1, shipped from a supplier who had run out of M1 and got some more in in the past week (not the same one as the one mentioned elsewhere in the post quoted in the OP). I had a few insufflated lines of it a couple of days ago (about three or four roughly 50 mg lines, over a couple of hours), and did note more gurniness and less loveliness than I might expect from M1. Then again, I almost always have an initial oral dose of M1, rather than just insufflating it, so it's hard to compare. B1 I've had orally before (at c. 150 mg doses) and found it relatively dysphoric and gurny. This insufflated alleged M1 was not dysphoric by any means. Anyway, I was about to take 250 mg orally of this supposed M1 just now, which would be a fairly standard M1 oral dose for me, but - having read this post - I'm waiting a while after consuming half of it, in case.
 
I find the effects of snorted M1 are far more speedy, gurny and less lovey than oral or plugged doses. Sounds exactly like the effects I always get whenever I've tried snorting it to be honest, Invert. I find B1 is only enjoyable snorted with meph - maybe 100-150mg of each. Intensely euphoric but certainly not healthy :D
 
I'll dose a bit too,was planning on a little hit tonight anyway, was thinking like 150mg orally and 150mg insufflated over the next hour with a lil meph...then thats level one over see if the princess is in the castle
 
Still cant work it out, surely someone else has ordered m1 from that place and its not just me with a fat bag of this mystery brute of a drug.
 
Shambles said:
I find the effects of snorted M1 are far more speedy, gurny and less lovey than oral or plugged doses. Sounds exactly like the effects I always get whenever I've tried snorting it to be honest, Invert. I find B1 is only enjoyable snorted with meph - maybe 100-150mg of each. Intensely euphoric but certainly not healthy :D
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Yeah; having had from this new batch of alleged M1 (not from the same place as the one quoted in the OP, but arriving in the country as a new batch around the same time) 250 mg oral over an hour, followed by about 300 mg insufflated over four hours; I'm fairly sure what I have is M1, and certainly not B1. That amount of B1 should have had my heart racing and my mouth gurning like a long-term schizophrenic on chlorpromazine. Instead, I had expected M1 effects of lovely euphoric stimulation, and some mild jaw stiffness. The addition of 12 to 15 mg insufflated 4-AcO-DMT, incidentally, was exquisite. :)
 
Well this bag from that place is certainly not m1, under 500mg in total last night, thats normally breakfast.......... and full on heart palpitations nausea ataxia, hypertension, bruxism, uncontrollable flatulance (sorry!) muscle spasms and mild delirium (well more so than normal delerium) that im still shaking off now and imstill cramped as fuck, mildly ataxic and generally well fucking battered........I'm not on any other medication nor did I consume anything that would cause such a profound interaction. A 1/2g bomb of M1 does not have that effect on me. Trust.



......whatever that shit is its bad for your fucking brain and heart and its a shitty rush. And it'll probly be only a matter of days till some silly beggar pops his ticker on it.
 
....Ok time for a little update.


The vendors in question have removed their current stock of methylone from sale and sent it off for thorough testings, and were happy to replace my order.

Good on 'em. I was perhaps a bit ranty earlier, but i did feel like crap. :P
 
Shambles said:
Would agree that B1 and meph are much more dopaminesque feeling. I'm fairly certain that meph affects dopamine more than serotonin but not sure about B1 but feels more like dopaminey kinda effects to me. M1 is definitely more up serotonin street, for sure.
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methylone is always said to be more dopaminergic than serotoninergic, which always confused me, since it doesn't fit the reports I have read.
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
methylone is always said to be more dopaminergic than serotoninergic, which always confused me, since it doesn't fit the reports I have read.
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Subjectively, I experience methylone as more serotonergic than mephedrone; but less serotonergic (and more dopaminergic) than MDMA. And a friend of mine who's familiar with cocaine immediately identified it as feeling like a somewhat mdma-tinged cocaine. But subjective judgments on this sort of thing aren't very reliable. We don't have direct conscious access to the low-level activity of chemicals at our neurons.

But there's actually objective data on the relative activity of methylone and mdma. The methylone page on wikipedia says "In vitro, MDMC has one third the potency of MDMA at inhibiting platelet serotonin accumulation and about the same in its inhibiting effects on the dopamine and noradrenaline transporters", and cites sources for this. So, compared with MDMA, methylone's action is more dominated by dopaminergic effects. I don't know what the data on mephedrone suggest.

ETA: I guess the in vitro figures might not necessarily reliably predict how the chemicals behave in the living brain, though? I don't know anything about this sort of thing...
 
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