Population Control

[Shimmer.Fade]

You need stupid people to balance out the bell curve though

Not really. With a large enough sample size each area within a bell curve is its own bell curve.

 

[rickolasnice]

It won't, it will simply allow a fairer distribution of the resources we have, which is the only reason to advocate population control.

How have you worked that one out?

And people asking: "Who has the right to do something like that?"

Well.. do you have the right to stop someone killing someone? What give you the right?.. The alternative to population control is.. well.. think about it.. smog is clouding major cities, the ice caps are melting at a very alarming rate (some say we've already past the point of no return), the worlds rainforests are being cut down and millions of species of animals are becoming extinct*, farm land is become severely degradated**, the oceans are becoming acidified..

*Pinning down exact numbers is nearly impossible, but most experts agree that we are losing upwards of 80,000 acres of tropical rainforest daily, and significantly degrading another 80,000 acres every day on top of that. Along with this loss and degradation, we are losing some 135 plant, animal and insect species every day—or some 50,000 species a year—as the forests fall.

**Recent increases in the human population have placed a great strain on the world's soil systems. More than 6 billion people are now using about 38% of the land area of the Earth to raise crops and livestock.[2] Many soils suffer from various types of degradation, that can ultimately reduce their ability to produce food resources. Slight degradation refers to land where yield potential has been reduced by 10%, moderate degradation refers to a yield decrease from 10-50%. Severely degraded soils have lost more than 50% of their potential. Most severely degraded soils are located in developing countries.

According to the U.N. Millennium Ecosystem Assessment, approximately 40% of the world's agricultural land is seriously degraded. In natural conditions, only very severe meteorological events will cause erosion, as the vegetation cover, the leaf litter and the organic matter will protect the soil absorbing rain impacts and preventing soil removal. Removal of the natural vegetation cover due to practices such as: deforestation; overgrazing; or industrial farming practices (e.g. tillage), leaves the soil exposed to the action of climatic factors, such as rain and wind.

The rate and severity of these things are only going to increase as the population increases..

We are killing the planet.. There will come a point where we have caused so much damage and raped the earth of so many resources that the human race will diminish anyway.. Only by then, people are starving, fighting over what little resources / food is left until.. well.. the 99% die.. the Ruling elite, the rich and powerful will likely survive.. Might be why they have those huge seed banks stashed away, huh?

But that is the alternative. If we don't implement mandatory sterilisation we are sentencing the earth (well.. MANY of it's life) to death.. We are sentencing future human population to a drawn out, slow and painful death

 

[legalizeall]

Let me guess - these 'some places' will all be white, blue-eyed places, amirite?

Tell me how is this comment any better or different then the "bigot and racist" comments you ditest in that other thread about racism. What if i were to respond to someone who said, we need to help people in bad neighborhoods with "let me guess, your talking about the blacks and the mexicans". Seriously man, how do you expect people to respond to that and how does that help any situation? How is that not racist? Your just putting yourself on the level of the ignorant racist and are acting no better as well. Im sure you dont put yourself on that level, and even with all my disagreements ive had with you, i think your better then this.


I think the earth will do its own population control. I dont know how but I think it has a way of balancing itself out. That or maybe the countries that are consuming alot with have to curb that and go back to a simple life. Farm at home, barter and trade shit. One thing is that human nature is not to do anything about it till its an absolute necessity or its very in your face problem that effects the way of life every day. Until peoples routines are effected, no change will happen

 

[bit_pattern]

 

[-=SS=-]

Was having this discussion with a friend yesterday. Kind of hippy chap, he believes that we just need to pick up rubbish and love everyone.. I just nodded politely.

I discussed trans-humanism, technology development, and all the sorts of things that the 'system' is conjuring forth in order to perpetuate itself in the face of these global challenges. And my belief that we missed a golden window of opportunity about 100 years ago now with Nikola Tesla and his system. Unlimited electricity would do away with one critical problem we face.. rubbish/trash (plasma incineration). Unfortunately the zeitgeist that casts its shadow over this planet was stronger than the forces playing for the evolution of mankind at the point in time.. least that's the feeling I've always had. Anyway..

My beliefs on population are simple. There is an over reliance on synthetic medical technology to keep people alive.. we keep way too many people of all ages alive, especially the new born and old demographic, instead of letting nature do its job of killing off the weak and sick. If we stopped this unhealthy obsession with the fear of death and in turn the desire for a fake semi-life then more people would naturally die off, and the strongest would survive. At the current rate it won't be too long before some super virus comes along and wipes out half the global population due to our reliance on fake medicine.

Instead of trying to use products of an industry, how about we, erm, start actually eating proper food again? Spending more time being healthy? You know, what we did until very recently in our history. What we have today are people stacked on top of each other in order to perpetuate a useless system that takes life from everyone and sells back a synthetic fake version of it. It's totally fucked.

The problem isn't that there are too many people, the problem is a system that has run its course, which is what we're desperately trying to prop up and keep going. By system I don't just mean the Western world.. I mean all the values and everything else that goes along with it. Some of it is good.. but a lot of it isn't. We've lost sight of what is actually important in life.. we fill our lives with pointless distractions instead of family, friends, community, and a desire to know the mystery/Truth.

Regardless I believe I will see this problem to a head in my lifetime.

 

[Corazon]

Eventually the people who control the banks will reduce the world population.
Virus seems to be the most likely method.
Right now we have a cannibalistic economy where it is beneficial to have a large herd of lower-middle class humans, and the data-mining stuff has been getting better so it is fun to manipulate and it's like they have the most awesome version of the sims or sim-city to play with.
However, that stuff gets old, and the economy can be scaled down, and eventually the population will be reduced.

 

[Droppersneck]

Lower the retirement age to 50 and introduce an extermination age. If you haven't done anything with your life by the time you are 70 tough titties. Id throw one hell of a death party before being lowered into a carbonate pit the next morning.

A death/inheritance tax set at 90% would also reduce hoarding of resources so as to pass on to your children.

I could get on board with this. Dope becomes legal after 65 imo

 

[Cliffy78]

What 23 made a good point though, are you gonna bring your elderly mother/father(whichever u care the most for) to die? I know I wouldn't. I don't think anyone that really loves their mother would. I just don't see how this would work. Everyone would be stashing loved ones IMO...

 

[One Thousand Words]

People are more than happy to have an abortion though. It will take a shift in societies thinking for sure, but imagine being at your own wake and everyone celebrating your contribution to the world. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for the common good of all. I guarantee most people wouldn't sit around wasting their lives if they had a definite end in sight.

 

[What 23]

I'm not more than happy to have an abortion. Not that I'm a woman.

 

[One Thousand Words]

How many people ignore their grandparents until they are near deaths door then all of a sudden they are at their bedside crying that they should have spent more time with them? Imagine how much more involved in their lives you would be if you knew you only had 5 yrs left. I'd argue that those last 5 years of their life would be better for the old geezer too as they wouldn't be taken for granted.

 

[What 23]

My grandmother lived to 93 and I see your point. We didn't get around to see her as often when she became bedridden for the most part starting almost 10 years before. But my dad is 70 and is still active. My mom is only 63 or so and still very active. They help with their grandkids, and their grandkids benefit from their presence. They set up family vacations, and foot most of the bill. This is good life experience for everyone in our family, especially the young ones, to have that security of being together- of presence of family. My brother's wife has cancer. My parents take care of their kids often to help.

Can't just set an arbitrary age. Maybe if there were a system where you could voluntarily be cut off, in exchange for certain benefits for yourself in your life, and/or your family after your death... I don't know. But actually making this a mandate or something is asking for people like me to join militias and go to war.

 

[Corazon]

80 year olds aren't the ones out there fucking everything up.

 

[One Thousand Words]

What exactly is a bedridden 80yr who uses precious medicines and requires nursing staff that could be used to heal sick children offering us then?

We are talking about protecting our precious resources here. How much would have been saved in those last 10 yrs if your grandmother had passed away earlier? Going to war will waste these resources just as much. There will come a time we as a planet we have to decide how best to survive and while many people here look at the bottom down approach and limit babies I am simply taking the top down approach and lopping off the elderly.

You should ask you father that if he died tomorrow what would he have done differently the last 5 years? Then ask him why he didn't do it?

 

[Cliffy78]

How many people ignore their grandparents until they are near deaths door then all of a sudden they are at their bedside crying that they should have spent more time with them? Imagine how much more involved in their lives you would be if you knew you only had 5 yrs left. I'd argue that those last 5 years of their life would be better for the old geezer too as they wouldn't be taken for granted.

This is a good point, but shit, dude i think I'd feel guilty no matter what, there's always something more I could've done. Always more time i would wish to have, more time I could've spent. There's a reason we want people to live longer, respect, if love isn't good enough then I respect the shit outta the old folks. They lived that long in this shit. Without them u/I wouldn't exist, they made it possible for u to be, so we owe them all the time they want. If they want assisted suicide, then that's fine. And u still get to kill some oldies, lol.. J/k bro

 

[One Thousand Words]

80 year olds aren't the ones out there fucking everything up.

Lets look at the typical life of an 80 yr old.

Born around 1934, lived through WW2 and probably got married aged 20 in 1954. If they are your typical white bread American they would have bought on average 7-8 large gas guzzling cars in their life time as well as numerous throw away consumer items such as televisions, washers, plastic nick knacks ….etc. Now we all know recycling wasn't big until at least the 90's so it is safe to assume that most of these items ended up in land fill as they were replaced and upgraded. They probably built houses full of asbestos that will need to be cleaned up. And that is scrapping the bottom of environmental pollution their generation is responsible for.

Unless they were pot smoking hippies they likely voted for and supported numerous wars waged from places as far away as Korea, Vietnam, South America and the Middle East. They may not physically pulled a trigger but supporting a government responsible for such actions means they have to take some responsibility. If they are reasonably well off they no doubt followed Ronald Reagan's Gordon Gecko lead and played the stock exchange during the 80 and 90's, which lets be honest here, was not exactly driven by ethical sustainability.

I'm guessing they retired late 90's and have been paying no further taxes in the past 20-30 years yet are more than happy to take their fair share from the health system which is considerably more expensive today compared to back in the day they chipped in.

How exactly is your 80 yr old not some what responsible for the state of the world today?

 

[KyleOpium]

It's funny that a site like this would talk about population control.

If the government really wanted to control population, who do you think would be the first to go?

Heavy drug users, and the mentally ill, like myself and most who post on this site, would not be allowed to reproduce, and would not be allowed to live very long.

The lack of self awareness in this thread, is astounding.

 

[Corazon]

Lets look at the typical life of an 80 yr old.

Born around 1934, lived through WW2 and probably got married aged 20 in 1954. If they are your typical white bread American they would have bought on average 7-8 large gas guzzling cars in their life time as well as numerous throw away consumer items such as televisions, washers, plastic nick knacks ….etc. Now we all know recycling wasn't big until at least the 90's so it is safe to assume that most of these items ended up in land fill as they were replaced and upgraded. They probably built houses full of asbestos that will need to be cleaned up. And that is scrapping the bottom of environmental pollution their generation is responsible for.

Unless they were pot smoking hippies they likely voted for and supported numerous wars waged from places as far away as Korea, Vietnam, South America and the Middle East. They may not physically pulled a trigger but supporting a government responsible for such actions means they have to take some responsibility. If they are reasonably well off they no doubt followed Ronald Reagan's Gordon Gecko lead and played the stock exchange during the 80 and 90's, which lets be honest here, was not exactly driven by ethical sustainability.

I'm guessing they retired late 90's and have been paying no further taxes in the past 20-30 years yet are more than happy to take their fair share from the health system which is considerably more expensive today compared to back in the day they chipped in.

How exactly is your 80 yr old not some what responsible for the state of the world today?

True.

At this point however, they aren't doing much other than taking social security and health care money. Those types of programs aren't very important to the people who get to choose whether or not to depopulate the earth.

>60yo's make up between like 10%-20% of the total global pop. depending on source and projected year.

Even if that took a billion humans off the planet, it's not going to make a significant change.

The people who run the world would probably just want to decrease the population to something like a couple billion, and carefully manage from there.

 

[Corazon]

It's funny that a site like this would talk about population control.

If the government really wanted to control population, who do you think would be the first to go?

Heavy drug users, and the mentally ill, like myself and most who post on this site, would not be allowed to reproduce, and would not be allowed to live very long.

The lack of self awareness in this thread, is astounding.

true

 

[Cliffy78]

It's funny that a site like this would talk about population control.

If the government really wanted to control population, who do you think would be the first to go?

Heavy drug users, and the mentally ill, like myself and most who post on this site, would not be allowed to reproduce, and would not be allowed to live very long.

The lack of self awareness in this thread, is astounding.

^^this!!