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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Poppy SEED Tea my experience (5+years worth)

The best test of strength is to wait 2 or 3 hours and see how you're feeling.
It can take a pretty long time for peak effects to be noticed by some people.

Colours/textures/tastes are all estimates based on (seemingly pretty logical) observations - but none are consistent enough to rely upon IME.
Consider that a weak strain of poppy, grown in unfavourable conditions (yielding minimal active alkaloids) could be harvested for culinary seeds, which are extracted and sold sticky and unwashed, only to wash up all dirty and brown by some seed fiend - but provide negligible or weak effects.

Coloured water could be any grit or dirt stuck to the exterior of the seeds.
Probably traces of opium alkaloids, possibly powdered goat shit, dust or dry mud.
The spore count (of various fungi) seems to be pretty high, given the propensity for days-old pst to grow all manner of funky moulds.
Yeah, opium is dark in colour...but so are a lot of things.

I think if you're going to fuck around with this shit, the only real HR approach is to titrate your dose (start low, wait it out and gauge the effects before you determine whether to dose further.
If you overdo it, you're in for a drawn-out period of feeling like absolute shit.

Take it slow - there is no "rush"; trying to chase one can lead to some really unpleasant reactions that can easily persist for over 24 hrs and potentially have serious health consequences.
 
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Do you use a lot of water?

Water dilutes the colour quite a bit.

First wash usually being the darkest.

I think taste is a better way to tell of strength IMO.

I, personally, use masses of water - as much as I can fit into the bottle/container and still be able to shake it thoroughly. When I first started using PST, I used the minimum volume I could get away with, and did a single wash, due to the disgusting taste, but as my addiction and tolerance grew I couldn't "waste" any of the opiate coating by using insufficient water. At the height of my addiction (been tapering for close to six fucking months!), I'd use a ratio of 2l water to 1kg of seeds, so when using 2kg a dose I was choking down 4l of the stuff each wash. The first wash, assuming good seeds, would always be a dark yellow/brown murky colour and taste like a slug and mud smoothie; vile. The second wash was more of a lightly tinted yellow colour which tasted better than the first, but was by no means pleasant. Wash 3 was my limit and has never contained enough opiates to make it worthwhile. By the third wash, the fats leach from the seeds, and the water moves into its place, leaving you with something resembling lard, protein shake and milk and tasting AWFUL. To this day, I've never tasted anything worse than the "Tea" from a batch of seeds that had been washed twice 36 hours earlier. I was very limited in choice, I was deep into an unplanned WD, no money, no source, and had a rather important function to attend - to any normal person, non-sterilised plant matter repeatedly dissolved in acidic water, high levels of glucose/fructose added, in an anaerobic environment next to a radiator is a pretty fucking ideal breeding ground for microorganisms and so should be avoided. Not to an addict, an addict studying for a Microbiology Degree, no less.

A lot of people avoid PST because the notion of "they're the most variable thing on Earth" is frequently bandied about - sure, there is MASSIVE variation between brands/sources (a good example being UK supermarket seeds: from one chain I can get blasted off 1.2kg, which feels somewhere in the ballpark of 120-140mg Morphine, and yet from the other: I have never got anything resembling an actual high from doses ranging up to 3kg, holding me as well as 40/50mg Morphine would), but if you can find a decent source, the variability between batches is minimal to the point it barely enters my head any more. Consistent sources DO exist, but they take some searching for and a lot of trial and error - less than ideal if you're unstable financially and will hit severe WD if your entirely new dose is sufficient. The high from a good dose of Tea is unbelievable - the tingly, warm extremities can be felt in <1 hour, the "opiate stomach feeling" comes quite early on. The first part of the high is, as far as I can tell, a typical codeine high (1.5-2 hours of sedation, warmth and itchy opiate goodness), which fades out as Thebaine takes the limelight in part two. Feels like a typical opiate high, except the sedation is non-existent, replaced with stimulation. The Thebaine allows me to have a luscious high going on, but be functional and awake enough to pass as sober. The stimulation lasts around 6 hours (T+8h) and fades off quickly. For the next 2 hours there is a weird void, there is an undeniable sense of opiate intoxication, but the actual central effects are very subtle, I very often wonder if I am nearing baseline due to the very mild feeling. I presume this part is due to one of the lesser alkaloid constituents (Noscapine, Omnipaverine etc.). Once this feeling subsides, the peak is felt: euphoria, nausea, powerful nodding, itching, full body tingles, apathy, tucked under the opiate blanket for warmth. The full high lasts ~16h, usually, though it is dose dependent. A low dose runs closer to 8h and a high dose around 18h. With very careful, meticulous, dosing scheduling, alongside enzyme inducers and inhibitors at the correct time and level, I have extended the high to between 26 and 28 hours.

I thought I'd found Heaven when I first got into PST: I could walk less than a mile from my front door, pick my beloved opiates off a store shelf, use the self-scan till, and go home with Morphine in hand, available to me by just soaking seeds in water. No sketchy dealers, no "dealer/addict time(keeping)", no worry of imprisonment, nothing that came with the usual ritual/hoop-jumping of getting hold of opioids. Not to mention it was bloody cheap! Obviously, Heaven kicked me out and Morpheus' repatriation took me, as it has many others. I am wary of giving a WD timescale for PST because, well... I've never made it far enough to know. I've been through the early stage of detox more times than I care to count, but never made it further than 14 days. Those 14 days were not typical of WD - it did not begin ~18 hours after my last dose, it did not peak between day 2 and 4, it did not ease by day 6 and the physical horror was not gone by day 8. I didn't even feel ill until around 28 hours after my last dose, but the turning point from "well" to "sick" as the last bits of opiate goodness left my receptors was clear cut, and very sharp. It got progressively worse with every passing hour. At the end of Day 3 I thought I was peaking, like I would be with most opiates, but I was so wrong it's untrue. It only just started easing off physically around Day 13, peaking around Day 10. WD'ing from 23 (?) opiates at once, in such a drawn out manner, is no less than brutal.

And to top it all off: it eventually ended up costing FAR MORE than an equivalent Morphine habit!
 
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^ hmmm, yeah we're talking about different things.
I don't do pst any more, but I used to
a) think you couldn't reliably judge seeds' potency by sight
-but...
b) the darker, stickier seeds seemed to be the less "washed" and more likely to be the goods.
Obviously the plants they originated from give another rarely acknowledged variable....
But I think it is worth pointing out that opium latex dries to a dark brown/red/black colour.
It is only white when first harvested, but will dry to a dark tone.
Just an observation that may help you on your way.

Respect the seeds, (and pods); they're a motherfucker to detox from, due to their full spectrum of opiate alkaloids and therefore long half-life.

I guess I was not aware that white opium dried dark or red. Just for fun I actually looked at some today at a local mostly organic food store and saw obvious difference between packages. I picked up and examined 5 1/3lb packages and saw one was really white/blue and the other 4 were the dark blue as you spoke of. I always thought it used to be a good mix of each but you could clearly see the difference. I opened it and saw little pieces of stems and that they were clumping together in some spots so I guess they were the good ones.

Also, one thing to note is sometimes it looks really dark when the first wash comes out but if you put it in the fridge or freezer for 15 mins you will see all the fats and latex sink to the bottom and that is what gives it a dark color intially. It becomes lighter when the dust settles. No need to drink the murky nasty latex part.

I have also noticed in most of my experiences that the first 8-10 hours are kinda of awake thebaine ish which might lead noobs to think they need to redose. I'm guessing this is because of how the liver has to process all those alkaloids? Then after 8 hours or so you get the normal opiate euphoria, itching, sedation, and sometimes really heavy nod or a few hours. Then there is a steady down curve for another 3-4 hours. I would say it used to take me about 14-18 hours on average to sleep as opiates always keep me awake. This is when my eyes start to unpin a bit unless i overdid it. I agree though. Be careful. This thread is full of good information. Use it.
 
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I don't have a ton of experience with opiates, but this sounds very interesting. Might have to try it, even with all the warnings.

Would like to hear more HR tips first.
 
I grind my seeds down, then pour boiling water. stir and let sit for 15min. stirring here and there. love the stirring feeling.. that morphine is being washed out. then drink. u get mellow within 30min. in 1 hour, full high, knodding. feels good. but I get anxiety if I don't keep taking during the day. I also get insomnia from it when it's suppose to be an insomnia drink. they said its the thebaine inside that stimulates you and keeps u up all night. how do you remove/destroy the thebaine but keep the other goody alkaloids such as morphine?
 
I just baked my pst in preheat oven 450 degree, then leave for 10 min, 250 degree. does this sublime all the thebaine and leaves morphine ? this is suppose to be a morphine extraction method.
 
I think it works. hope it's not placebo effect. will update tmw . I also brought calcium hydroxide and ammonium (for morphine extraction ) will update too
 
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