Poppy seed tea. Has anyone given it a try?

[spacejunk]

if they're australian grown, they're grown in tasmania.
as to the strain, my guess is as good as yours.
as for the poppies in tassie only being the thebaine variety, my understanding is that it is about half and half (or something like that). the high thebaine strains are used in industry to make oxycodone etc, whilst the high morphine varieties are used to manufacture the traditional opies.
but as far as i'm aware, the claim that all of the tasmanian poppy crop are all 'norman' variety isn't true.
some have speculated that these poppies wouldn't be used for culinary seeds you buy at the store because they are genetically modified and trademarked...

 

[pisspotnrock]

^ thanks for the response

These are grown is Aus. so I guess its safe to say their from Tassie.. Is the thebaine strain's opium useless without synth.? If so, lets just hope their a 'high morphine' variety...

Never knew it was so complicated over in Tassie (to an extent).. I always just thought they were strong 'Opium Poppies' 8)

 

[spacejunk]

i don't think you can convert thebaine to anything useful without a great deal of know-how and equipment.
my experience with growing store-bought culinary poppy seeds has been very rewarding...

if you're concerned, the other alternatives are;
- find some seeds grown in india or anywhere else they are imported from
- order some seeds online (they're legal, cheap, relatively reliable) or
- nab some off some old lady that grows poppies in her front garden in the springtime (when the pods totally ripe and starting to drop their seeds) if you can find some.

 

[S.M.F.G]

Ahhh my days with the PST one year we scattered tha seeds and got podz! what glorius times%)

Tempts me to head down to the same place as the gud seedz was comin frm last year and give it a whirl... I posted piks of a batch of tea up that year no additives... was so dark and got me so fucked up... nothing copared to pods though

NB: the seeds i get are frm tassie and the batches of seed come in good and bad its pretty east to tell bunk seeds, and the good seeds were good as they fucked us up and gave us pods that REALLY fucked us up!!

 

[spacejunk]

yeah, pods are fucking beautiful.
i'm pretty sure the bunk seeds are ones that have been washed. you can generally tell by just looking at em (the darker the better, inactive seeds seem to be a mixture of grey and red colours) and they only appeared 3 or 4 years ago.
before then, good seeds were very easy to come by. it's not impossible now, but it seems the word is definitely out - PST is not the best kept secret it once was.
but growing them is the best!

would suggest everyone else go out and scatter the little bastards in any loose soil they can find. you can do it after you wash them to make the tea, so long as you don't heat them, which is totally unnecessary and counterproductive anyway. better than chucking them in the bin, and the best time to do it in the southern hemisphere is autumn, preferably early may.
guerrilla gardening is all about beautifying public spaces!

 

[S.M.F.G]

yeah, pods are fucking beautiful.
but growing them is the best!

would suggest everyone else go out and scatter the little bastards in any loose soil they can find. you can do it after you wash them to make the tea, so long as you don't heat them, which is totally unnecessary and counterproductive anyway. better than chucking them in the bin, and the best time to do it in the southern hemisphere is autumn, preferably early may.
guerrilla gardening is all about beautifying public spaces!

Agreed same with any weed or HBWS or morning glory seeds
And plant accaiias lots of em (soz to go off topic)

 

[rachamim]

I never said that all Tasmanian were Norman but the truth is most are. Thebain is a lot more valuable for a number of reasons but mostly because of the UN Convention. The amount of morphine produced is set at a specific level based upon worldwide demand as determined by UN surveys. The demand is then used to set the next annual quotas.

Thebaine isn't subject tp the quota system meaning the Tasmanian Co-op can push production. Otherwise valuable cropland would be left fallow, etc.

Then there is cost, oxycodone is the new big boy. Thebaine demand is at an all time high and the Co-op has, as I noted, a trademarked variety with super high content, of course they over whelmingly plant THAT as opposed to the less profitable and highly regulated high morphine strains.

What about seeds in stores? You are in Australia, it is cheaper to ship from Tasmania than from Rajahstan in India so yes, most will be Tasmanian seeds but...Norman seeds are very expensive and very controlled. Co-op members sign guarantees that any retained seed must be destroyed with some producers growing just for seed to re-plenish their stocks. So, chances are that any seeds you buy won't be the low morphine type, they will be the ones you want. BUT if you are in Tasmania snatching pods hahaha...

MrBlonde: Right you are, seizures and death, thebaine is nasty as is.

 

[spacejunk]

that's really interesting man. no disrespect meant, i just hear a lot of unsubstantiated talk about norman poppies, but you clearly know what you're talking about.

the poppy farms of tasmania don't seem so inviting as they once did!
having said that, is it true that norman poppies bleed a pink coloured sap rather than the white of traditional somniforum? if someone was to stumble upon a patch of poppies in tasmania (wherever they may be - not necessarily a poppy farm) it would be pretty important for them to be able to identify norman poppies.

 

[randomness]

Most of the seeds you find in the shops will be washed which makes them useless for tea. Find a store that sells in bulk (~1kg) and give them a go.

The seeds are legal (obviously), I'm not sure about the pods. Pretty sure making the tea with the intent to get high would be illegal.

I bought a 1kg bag the other week and gave it a go, much better feeling from the tea than just codeine. Was very impressed but I did have little expectations reading some of the reports in ADD.

Seith is right, the seeds supplied in stores are normally washed and processed. If you look at unprocessed seeds you can see they are covered in brown dust from the pods and that is I believe where the opium is and probably explains why you need large quantities (kg) of seeds to get a decent high.

I have never tried the seeds myself, but I have used dried pods before. Only need a much smaller quantity of dried pods (7-10g) as they are full of the brown powdery stuff and the pods themselves contain opium.

I agree with Seith again, that the opiate high from poppy tea is better than Codeine by itself. Although poppy tea contains mostly codeine, it contains other alkaloids too, making it similar to raw opium latex so there is more effects going on than just codeine alone.

 

[Tripman]

Before I moved from Tasmania I had a poppy farm as my neighbour...

Ah the good old days.

 

[rachamim]

SpaceJunk: No, the sap is the same. It is only that its percentages of alkaloids are skewed.

 

[spacejunk]

hmm...more internet misinformation then. cheers

 

[Fire&Water]

I used the search engine & was surprized to see only 3 threads here in ADD & was just curious if anyone has tried it.

Is it legal here in Australia? (Obviously the pods wouldn't be)

Is it as simple as going to the health food store & purchasing 300 grams?

Doesn't the owner of the store ask what in the hell u would be buying all those seeds for?

I read that the lemon reduces the Ph of the water or something like that which help the alkaloids seperate from the seeds into the water.

I don't plan on goin down the street to try this method. Just curious in anyones experiences, if good seeds are actually easily available (or they are all washed well these days) & how it compares to Codeine.

If it's as good as some of the reports I've read I'm surprized as to why everyones not out buyin the stuff instead of doing CWE.

Anyways, here's a receipe I found on the internet:

The high acid content from lemons is def' needed,(for pod's) also a long soak, the longer the better.
I soaked overnight with a tight fitting lid, the top of yer' fridge should be 90-100
degrees - hot enough

 

[Christ!]

I had to laugh about the post about Tasmanians stealing pods to brew tea with. The Tasmanian Co-op concentrates on a variety known as "Norman" in shorthand, in fact they trademarked it. It has practically no morphine. On the other hand it has a super high thebaine content, an alkaloid that is worthless without synthesis.

The Norman variety is grown in Tasmania along with the Tasmanian (Tazzie) strain. The latter is one of the most potent morphine strains and AFAIK is the majority of what you'll find in Taz.

The Norman variety is grown away from the regular Taz strain to stop any cross pollination.

You won't find seeds from the Norman variety as they are destroyed or used as fuel. (sorry had a quick search and couldn't find a link!)

The reason people do CWE instead of PST is probably because the seeds are so unreliable. Sometimes you'll get great potent seeds and others they'll be worthless. ATM my usual places for seeds have very little alkaloid content, seemed to be the same last year at around this time.

I've read on another forum that the supermarket brand 'Spencers' are Tassies.. can anyone confirm this? Not interested in the morphine content in the seeds, just the strain of poppy 'in general'

Probably.

All the poppies I've grown have been from a combination of <brands> and they all turned out to be Tassies. Chances are if it's a product of Australia it'll be the Tas variety.


Better to grow your pods easy and fun times. Here's a link to my grow log from last year - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9154401&postcount=56

 

[pisspotnrock]

Better to grow your pods easy and fun times. Here's a link to my grow log from last year - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9154401&postcount=56

Who says I'm not growin my own

Cheers for diggin your old post up, I remember readin it a while back.. Beautiful garden btw..

How longs it generally take for them to reach say 6 inches tall? Swear mine are takin for fuckn ever just to grow a coupe of sets of leaves veryy slow growers..

 

[spacejunk]

takes months. but when they get to the "cabbage" looking stage, they grow pretty quickly from there. but maybe 4 or 5 months...

edit - if they're taking too long, they might not be getting enough sun.

 

[pisspotnrock]

^^ thanks for that.. I think they are commin along at a normal rate then.. didnt realise they took so long to go from seed to pod!

I will admit but, they probably arnt gettin as much sun as they should.. I mean, their gettin plenty but not a full days worth... there was nowhere else to sow my garden anyway so nothin I could/can do about that one..

 

[spacejunk]

i could be off on the time thing but it certainly does seem to take a while.
look at it this way - you're meant to plant the seeds in may, and harvest is around oct/nov.
so it's a fairly lengthy process, but well worth the wait (or at least the attempt)

 

[pisspotnrock]

sweet waitin doesnt bother me.. when the gardens photo worthy, Ill post a flick up in the poppie cultivation thread.. dont even know why I bumped this thread with my question..

either way, looks like I'm gonna be all smacked out this summer

 

[Fire&Water]

The leaves contain opium also...especially in the latter stages