Poppy seed tea. Has anyone given it a try?

[spacejunk]

Does the poppy seed tea go off? i.e. can you prepare a batch and stick it in the fridge for later use. I hear that codeine extractions go moldy if left for too long..

it will keep for a day or two, but if you leave it out of the fridge or try and keep it for a week or something it will turn very foul very quickly.
as for

there being another alkaloid in the seed that isn't an analgesic but has a slight calming effect.

what about low-dose opium alkaloids in general? i think you just got either very washed seeds (no brand is a guarantee either way IME) or your PST recipe is flawed.

 

[footscrazy]

Important

I've gone through this thread and removed all references to seed brands or where they're purchased.

From now on, please don't mention anything about seed brands or where you got them.

A few people have mentioned that it's not in our best interest to make this knowledge so public. The last thing most of us want is for this thread to get attention and affect seed quality, or even worse, for the media to get hold of it.

Please only mention seed brands or sources if you come across a dangerous or unusually strong batch, to warn others who might have been planning on using it.

On that note, as always, keep your wits about you when using any substance. Our members here generally use safely and intelligently, but there are many guests who read this forum but never post. Never assume the amount someone else is taking is safe for you. Most of the posters in this thread are familiar with opiates and their tolerance, so doses stated in here are not recommended for everyone. Start low and be safe.

I hope everyone understands why I've edited their posts. I've been guilty of it too. Going forward though, it seems like the safest way to ensure we can continue to enjoy the wonderful poppy seed

 

[spacejunk]

thanks footsy, i was going to mention that this thread is beginning to worry me.
wasn't quite sure how to explain it...but i think the last thing we should be doing is providing a glowingly positive guide on how good/easy/safe this addictive opiate preparation is.
i've been as responsible for this as anyone else...but i really hate the idea that people are trying (and getting into) PST because of the info on this thread, and in a completely selfish way, i'd hate to see the seeds become more restricted. i'd be screwed...
anyway, thanks - and apologies if any of my posts needed manicuring.

 

[footscrazy]

^ All good, I had to change a lot of mine too, haha. There were no clear guidelines on what was/wasn't good to say previously so noone is to blame.

I think that if we focus on HR, the safest way to use pst and so on, this thread can be really positive. You're right though, all these positive experiences as well as details on how to get them and how to make it probably isn't in our best interests.

 

[spacejunk]

so...to get the ball rolling, i will tell you about some of my bad experiences with PST.

when i first started playing with it, i learned a lot of things the hard way.

such as, don't soak the seeds for hours. don't heat them either (in both cases they'll swell and absorb the solution, as well as emitting some pretty unpleasant oils and tastes). very gross - soaking/heating/grinding seeds only means smaller, more unpleasant yields.
do not mix with alcohol - i once had a 3 day "hangover" from a hefty dose and a night of pints. be warned! this is seriously unpleasant, it's horrible.

i also learned that PST is subtle. by this i mean that you can't get oxy/heroin effects by continuously upping the dose. there are a shitload of different alkaloids in there, and by dosing big you will get the effects/side effects of all of them.

i once had a small party, for which i made enough PST for a whole lot of people. when given the choice to try this weird brew or drink the alcohol they'd brought along, pretty much all the guests chose the latter. this left me with a batch of PST that contained couple of kilos worth of seeds, which i proceeded to drink as much of as i could manage.

i was so sick for the next few days that i could barely function, just bedridden.
blurred vision, headaches, inability to walk straight, constantly vomiting...i was a mess. some other strange side-effects included strange discolourations on the face, and random, asymmetrical jets of perspiration on strange parts of the body. yep, real healthy.

i think for folks that are accustomed to pharmaceutical grade or purified opiates/opioids, PST has the potential to leave you underwhelmed. there is no rush, no obvious saturating high - many of my friends think it is rubbish, and not many folks i've made it for have wanted to do it again.
some people will be ok for the first 5 hours or so, then start vomiting for the next 12-24 hours. i have one friend in particular that always has this response - though he is fine when he has pod tea or other opiates.

even among opium enthusiasts, poppy seed tea is seen as a bit dirty, a bit risky.
it is true to say that you really don't know what effects it will have. you could have a potent batch or complete bunk.

i think the biggest warning is that it is SO accessible that it is practically impossible to isolate yourself from available sources. most recovering addicts will spend less time with dealers and friends who use in order to cut down on the temptation to relapse. in the case of PST, you can't very easily avoid your source, unless you move to the UAE or somewhere else that poppy seeds are illegal.
it's easy to fool yourself into thinking that you haven't been warned, but now you have!

 

[footscrazy]

^ Great post spacejunk.

Out of all the opiates I've tried, I've found poppy seed tea the worst for adverse effects. Like you I've been very sick after using too much, or particularly if I use on consecutive days. It's the worst sickness I've felt from any opiate (in terms of acute effects rather than withdrawal), bad nausea and intense headaches, and it tends to last a long time, as you said.

I get some weird symptoms too; insomnia for over 12 hours after my last dose, nightmares, and at the tail end of the high almost scattered-like effects - including mild depression. I get this weird effect too that is hard to explain - when I'm lying in bed trying to sleep, I feel like I'm breathing out too far, so that the muscles in my tummy seem to contract and go inward - like if you try and press all your breath out, your muscles contract, but it happens involuntarily, and it's really annoying. Sounds weird, I know!

i once had a small party, for which i made enough PST for a whole lot of people. when given the choice to try this weird brew or drink the alcohol they'd brought along, pretty much all the guests chose the latter. this left me with a batch of PST that contained couple of kilos worth of seeds, which i proceeded to drink as much of as i could manage.

This seems like a typical attitude for a lot of people, seems crazy to me though :/

 

[spacejunk]

yeah, i used to get such bad opiate insomnia from PST (12 hours plus, like you say) that i'd be all tired and fuzzy the next day, having had a fitful, delirious sleep (at best) and then get a really restful, exhausted sleep the next night (like the kind i would normally associate with the end of a stimulant binge or psychedelic journey). it meant that i never used to entertain the idea of dosing two days in a row - that seemed like madness.
unfortunately, tolerance and addiction have the ability to powerfully transform your response to a drug.

 

[bobbydarren]

what about low-dose opium alkaloids in general? i think you just got either very washed seeds (no brand is a guarantee either way IME) or your PST recipe is flawed.

I've only smoked low dose opium, so nothing to compare there [havent' drunk it]
The seeds have an effect due to something else. I think it's the same shit that's in the seed which makes people sick. Whatever that is, you still get some of that on washing the exterior of the seed in a cold acid wash.

I've never noticed opiate sensations, reduced contractions of smooth muscle [very noticable even with 20 OTC N+'s] or constricted pupils. I know there are people here, maybe it's you, that has undeniable opiate effects but i've never got shit the main supermarket brand. I've only ever tried a max of 500 grams, but at that price and no results i am much better off with CWE.

You also have the people that experience the effects from the seed 'poison' in low doses and think they're 'high' giving false positive results for PST,. Given time they'd realise that too, but that's another positive indicator google hit, even though it's probably not.

 

[headdah]

Important

I've gone through this thread and removed all references to seed brands or where they're purchased.

From now on, please don't mention anything about seed brands or where you got them.

good work girl!

I've told D_M to do so like last week, but he reckons it doesn't really matter

 

[spacejunk]

I've only smoked low dose opium, so nothing to compare there [havent' drunk it]
The seeds have an effect due to something else. I think it's the same shit that's in the seed which makes people sick. Whatever that is, you still get some of that on washing the exterior of the seed in a cold acid wash.

I've never noticed opiate sensations, reduced contractions of smooth muscle [very noticable even with 20 OTC N+'s] or constricted pupils. I know there are people here, maybe it's you, that has undeniable opiate effects but i've never got shit the main supermarket brand. I've only ever tried a max of 500 grams, but at that price and no results i am much better off with CWE.

You also have the people that experience the effects from the seed 'poison' in low doses and think they're 'high' giving false positive results for PST,. Given time they'd realise that too, but that's another positive indicator google hit, even though it's probably not.

i don't really care if you don't believe there is any psychoactivity in this preparation.
in fact, i'm glad there is someone saying it's bullshit - this thread has been too positive for my liking - but i think your last paragraph is a little condescending, if i am reading it correctly.
as i've mentioned previously today, there is no point comparing this to oxycodone or heroin.
the "seed poison" you are referring to is a mixture of opiate alkaloids. it can be euphoric, or it can be very unpleasant.

frankly, i'd rather people didn't take PST, but just because you've not had any luck with it doesn't mean there is "shit that's in the seed which makes people sick." that's like saying that beer makes me sick - it mustn't be alcohol, it must be something else.
opiates can make you sick. lots of drugs can make you sick, especially if they're not refined, and extracted from a natural source with a cold water wash. "opium" contains dozens of active alkaloids, it's not the same as morphine or codeine or any of the other commonly used opiates.
it isn't some urban myth or something people are able to kid themselves into feeling.
of course, if you have anything more scientific to add, i'd be keen to hear it.

 

[footscrazy]

I've only smoked low dose opium, so nothing to compare there [havent' drunk it]
The seeds have an effect due to something else. I think it's the same shit that's in the seed which makes people sick. Whatever that is, you still get some of that on washing the exterior of the seed in a cold acid wash.

I've never noticed opiate sensations, reduced contractions of smooth muscle [very noticable even with 20 OTC N+'s] or constricted pupils. I know there are people here, maybe it's you, that has undeniable opiate effects but i've never got shit the main supermarket brand. I've only ever tried a max of 500 grams, but at that price and no results i am much better off with CWE.

You also have the people that experience the effects from the seed 'poison' in low doses and think they're 'high' giving false positive results for PST,. Given time they'd realise that too, but that's another positive indicator google hit, even though it's probably not.

Interesting the idea that the seeds could have an additional effect that some people can mistakenly intepret as the opioid effect. Do you know anymore/seen any research about what it could possibly be...?

I can definitely confirm that I get opioid effects from pst. The high, the itch and everything.

 

[Jakeperson]

I get a few bad side effects too but not much worse than oral morphine. Which is pretty fucking shitty anyways. It feels almost identical to oral pharm grade morphine to me.

One thing that really worries me is that sometimes I am drinking 6-8 big cups of liquid and then suffering SEVERE urinary retention. I can't get a flow going for 12+ hours. Is this from thebaine? Or from more severe than usual (I don't drink water) dehydration?

I got a batch of seeds today that required ONE wash from my usual dose to get ill so be careful. I think if completely unwashed seeds got out there some one may die, or at the very least give some one they love a fright.

 

[spacejunk]

One thing that really worries me is that sometimes I am drinking 6-8 big cups of liquid and then suffering SEVERE urinary retention. I can't get a flow going for 12+ hours. Is this from thebaine? Or from more severe than usual (I don't drink water) dehydration?

interesting! i find the effect to be very much a diuretic.
do you drink much water/fluids usually throughout the day?
i tend to use quite a lot of liquid in my PST (1st wash GFJ, 2nd/3rd = water) and drink a pint or two of fluid when i dose and i usually need to take a leak pretty badly half an hour later, to the extent that i'm mindful of this when i have some before heading out.
perhaps it is a personal chemistry thing, or maybe you have been dehydrated prior to drinking it?. PST has literally the opposite effect on me - it's more like having a pint of beer or a strong coffee.

edit -- it has just occurred to me that you may be referring to that annoying opiate side effect where you try to piss but you can't push it out?! like, the muscles relax too much for you to empty your bladder? i used to have this problem but since i developed a tolerance it is no longer an issue. sometimes happens with stronger opiates though.

i've been using PST since before seeds became hit and miss (they used to all be of very good quality - always reliable) and trust me, i've pushed it as far as you'd want to. much further, in fact! several horror stories mentioned above.
while i welcome any calls for restraint and care to be taken, you're far more likely to get really sick for a couple of days than to drop.
i don't mean to play it down, but that's just my experience. but you're absolutely right that people should dose conservatively, dose slowly, and keep in mind that you can always re-dose. it's not like codeine where re-dosing is useless - it is very effective.

but yeah, good call on doing a first wash and seeing how you feel before downing a second or third wash. it's all too easy to assume that all/most seeds are washed and useless, but they're definitely not.
i never used to even think about whether they were good or not (between working out how to make PST in 2002 and ~2006) i just figured that poppy seeds were poppy seeds. never had dud batches, except if i fucked up the washing process. the whole thing is much more hit and miss (risky) now that you can't predict the strength. some seeds are inactive.
but there are still plenty available that will do the job - you might need more, or just to be really economical with your method of making the tea. some are strong, but i don't think the "good" batches are dangerous, just that you need to assume that they're all going to be good and dose accordingly.
they're nowhere near as strong as poppy pods, and i've over-done it on both.

i'm not suggesting people be complacent - far from it - but i also would hate for people to see this thread and go "oh my god, killer death seeds!"
sure, it's possible, but no more than alcohol or something. you're far more likely to get sick. i stopped drinking PST when the variability in quality came about, but i came back to it because even if it's not as reliable as it used to be, it's still fairly easy to maintain on.

i think if you have respect for the potentially heavy consequences (namely addiction and overdose), you'll be fine.

 

[Jakeperson]

interesting! i find the effect to be very much a diuretic.
do you drink much water/fluids usually throughout the day?
i tend to use quite a lot of liquid in my PST (1st wash GFJ, 2nd/3rd = water) and drink a pint or two of fluid when i dose and i usually need to take a leak pretty badly half an hour later, to the extent that i'm mindful of this when i have some before heading out.
perhaps it is a personal chemistry thing, or maybe you have been dehydrated prior to drinking it?. PST has literally the opposite effect on me - it's more like having a pint of beer or a strong coffee.

I don't know about the muscles being relaxed, (WARNING: If you don't like disgusting skip the next bit) I have to try to piss so hard that I have ended up shitting through the opiate constipation, just so I can leave the toilet feeling like I needa piss still.

But yeah, I don't drink water at all and don't really keep up enough fluids. I would be very, mildly dehydrated on a good day. It usually gets a LOT worse when I take opiates as I don't bother to up my fluid intake like I do with stims.

Just another little warning for any one deciding to be a hero with doses, if you end up being really sick for 2 days from it; you will wish you hadda just dropped

 

[SpiritFolk]

I have been doing PST for about 6 weeks now and have greatly reduced consumption due to insomnia and withdrawals - although mild.

I have only gotten sick once but have not been doing it for long. I'm pretty sure <snip> had a good batch going for awhile cause the problem was it was working too damn well. I thought PST would be shite TBH as CWE have been ok but have not had much addiction potential for me as I get weird pain in my stomach.

PST however was getting me itchin, pinned eyed, and noddy for a few weeks. I had to even fuckin taper that shit a bit and have finally gone 4-5 days without any don't have insomnia or mild withdrawals. This is coming from someone who was on maintenance methadone/bupe for years - although been clean for about 4 years now. Anyways my point is this stuff is the only thing that has threatend a big relapse as I don't buy heroin or IV at all really maybe (3 times in the last 2yearrs).

I can see how different batch makes a big difference now as I had only strong good experiences with 500 gram washed 3 times until last weekend. Two weekd ago I mixed with 2 LSD stored alex grey paper and had amzing synergy and managed to even tail the trip off at 8 + hours into a nice trippy nod. Tried to replicate this experience last weekend and was very surprised to get sick and was puking hard at 2+ hours into trip. NOT FUN WHILE BALLSED.

Also experienced when drunk the PST really fast some urinary problems like Jakeperson said and not being able to piss easily at all, like having to sit down on the toilet and wait 5-10 min to fuckin piss. Annoying.

Made a rule to only using once a week on weekend, as although the withdrawal was mild, its fucked when you have to be on your game at work everyday, and the insomia just brought all the days of hanging on methadone or bupe and trying to taper down right back to the forefront of my mind and realised I don't want any fuckin opiate problems again ever.

Respect to the seed must be shown even if some batches are way different to others.

 

[pinkanga]

I can vouch for the whole leaving the seeds in the water too long thing... it doesnt work out better as you might expect. The seeds seems to absorb the liquid leaving a waxy residue. I find that if I ever do a 2nd wash Im almost guaranteed to get a waxy consistency in the water.

And good work on removing brands/sources etc. Always felt a little uncomfortable being so blase about that stuff. Seemed counter-intuitive despite the somewhat benign nature of the topic at hand.

My new thing is seeds once a fortnight... so this saturday is gonna by fun... a kilo of seeds with about 6-700mg codeine + 20mg diazepam.

 

[Jakeperson]

Whats peoples opinionds on second and third washes? Second is good ime, third is pretty much useless.

Accidentally let seeds sit for 35 minutes and they were close to useless.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ I think just a second wash is enough, third and I feel as if there is no extra benefit and I'm just drinking too much liquid.

thanks footsy, i was going to mention that this thread is beginning to worry me.
wasn't quite sure how to explain it...but i think the last thing we should be doing is providing a glowingly positive guide on how good/easy/safe this addictive opiate preparation is.
i've been as responsible for this as anyone else...but i really hate the idea that people are trying (and getting into) PST because of the info on this thread, and in a completely selfish way, i'd hate to see the seeds become more restricted. i'd be screwed...
anyway, thanks - and apologies if any of my posts needed manicuring.

I understand what you're saying, but just thought I'd use this as a jumping platform for a discussion point: we should never feel that discussion of a topic will lead to people getting themselves into trouble with a substance, and we should not let this fear stop us from discussing a topic. In this case, it was overboard to discuss batch numbers and brand names particularly because the product in question is so widely available. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a thread about poppy seeds, and it definitely doesn't mean that there isn't a place for positive opinions on their use. If we let these thoughts dictate the discussion on Bluelight, then the site would be full of just factual information and dry HR information without a lot of the valid discussions and ideas that help us move forward and help us attract new members. To get the HR information out to the people, we have to engage with them first and and not allowing there to be acknowledgement and discussion of the positive side and benefits of using drugs will make it harder to attract people to a discussion of how to be safe when using drugs.

I just feel it is very important that we not let a fear of turning people on to something stop us from discussing the positive side of drug use. I really do think that if a thread about poppy seed tea is enough to get someone hooked on using them, they were probably bound to come across a similar problem with a substance in the future regardless.

 

[SpiritFolk]

Well said Mr. Blonde.

I know exactly what you mean. Batch No.'s, Sources, And Brands is not and shouldn't be allowed (and I have been guilty of this), but if you have positive experiences then please do share.

Just as with bad you get the good...it's the balance to life..

 

[bobbydarren]

True it releases the seed poison from inside the seed. Maybe this waxy substance comes the endosperm in the poppy which is primarily a lipid [fat]. Nobody likes sperm in their mouth.