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alcohol wash?

Anyone ever try doing an alcohol wash, then evaporating the alcohol and scraping up the morphine? The only reason i havent tried this yet is because i hardly have enough patience to let the juice sit for an hour. Where i live i can get 2lbs for $1 to $2. This is an amazingly cheap high. If i can convince myself enough that the alcohol method will work, i will try doing it with 5-10lbs of seeds. I actually have no reason to believe why it wouldnt work.

And the seeds with juice in a bottle, then shake, then squeeze out cap is the best method i have ever tried. It's ingenious.
 
I haven't tried any kind of extraction, to get just the morph. I have been asked about using alcohol, but I learned somewhere that opiates are EXTREMELY soluble in water or better yet slightly acidified water.

I have thought of doing an extract on a small amount with some distilled water, then evaporate the water with a small fan. The only thing I worry about is the product degrading when exposed to air that long.

I don't know much about soluability with morphine and alcohol, but it is worth a try, the alcohol would evaporate much quicker than water.

I have always wondered how much (mgs) morphine I am really ingesting from 550g of seeds. I had some 30mg IR (not MScontins) tabs a couple of years ago, and I have eaten up to 120mg in all, but never got as intoxicated as I do with the seed tea.

Like I said before in one of my comments above, I tried 750g seeds *not reccomended* and that was tooooo much. It made for a blurry, painless day, but I never got sick. It almost felt like I had eaten a couple 80mg OC's and had a few shots without all the euphoria, but with all of the intoxication. I kept running into the walls with my shoulders and stumbling over everything, I was totally fucked.

Anyways, be safe and let me know if the alcohol thing works.
 
luckily i dont search for the euphoria really anymore, just the intoxication and inner nothingness.

Ever hear of laudinum? Its an opium in alcohol tinture. So yes opiates are very fucking soluble in alcohol, and it evaporates much much faster than water. I'm gonna try it in about 2 1/2 weeks. By then i will have the 223 7.5watsons i ordered from one of my boys. $1 a pop, cant pass that up. Anyways since i will have so much watson I wont be worring about experimenting with other methods with the seeds. If no one else tries the alcohol extraction by then, i will let you know how it goes. Hopefully i will have some sort of opiate smoke.

And its not just morphine on the seeds. There are actually 3 different opiates on them. Codiene, morphine, and another one that starts with a "TH" but i forgot the name.
 
Interesting trip report. I'd love to try that.

I confess that I've only briefly searched online for seeds, but I have only found small packages, and I'd need a lot of them for just a single dose, and that'd be very expensive; going against the point of this exercise entirely.

The opium latex contains morphine, codeine, papaverine, thebaine and noscapine. Although morphine is the major alkaloid in the latex, the seed tea will not feel the same as pure morphine because of the other alkaloids that will be present in it.
 
True true true. You should try looking around where you live for health food stores. Around here there are a lot of Henry's stores. They sell the seeds in huge jars that you can just scoop as much out as you want. They go for roughly $1 an lb.
 
I have heard of Laudinum, I remember seeing something about it in a movie called "From hell" I think is what it was. Anyways, this guy would drop it onto a sugar cube and put it into a drink (I think tea) and would have these visions that would become real.

Anyways, now I am more excited to try an alcohol extraction, knowing that morphine is in fact very soluble in it.

Thanks DexterMeth for giving my brain a reminder. Let me know if you do come out with anything worth using. I would be very curious about attemps and yeilds. I hope to get some seeds this weekend and try a little extraction myself.
 
you will probably end up trying it first. Tell me how it goes. I really cant wait to do this myself. It's just been hard recently to get bulk seeds. Other people are buying them up.
 
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I have heard of Laudinum, I remember seeing something about it in a movie called "From hell" I think is what it was. Anyways, this guy would drop it onto a sugar cube and put it into a drink (I think tea) and would have these visions that would become real.
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No, that was absinthe he was preparing with the sugar cube. He was combining it with laudanum (probably not into the absinthe, that sounds nasty) and supposedly that's why he was having those "visions" but obviously, it was only a movie.
 
DexterMeth said:
And its not just morphine on the seeds. There are actually 3 different opiates on them. Codiene, morphine, and another one that starts with a "TH" but i forgot the name.
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Thebaine, which you don't want as it causes seizures if you ingest too much. There are actually 40 different alkaloids in the pods (seeds too?) which is why withdrawal is supposed to be a bitch, but you really only want the morphine...

This is all info i've read from a certain site, so if i'm wrong, someone correct me.
 
The main active alkaloid is morphine. But there are a whole host of other alkaloids in the mix too. Codiene, noscapine, papaverine, and thebaine to name a few.
 
alcohol extraction

when is someone going to do the alcohol extraction. IThe soonest i will be able to try this is in a weeks time MINIMUM. will someone else please try this and give us the results?
 
Will do alcohol extract on 50g seeds this weekend provided I have the time and patience.

I will post results either Saturday or Sunday. (20th or 21st)

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i want the codiene too. Because when you ingest both morphine and codiene your body has the option of converting those into at least 4 different opiates.
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Just out of curiosity, what are the 4 opiates that your body converts these into aside from morphine, assuming that is one of them.

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No, that was absinthe he was preparing with the sugar cube. He was combining it with laudanum (probably not into the absinthe, that sounds nasty) and supposedly that's why he was having those "visions" but obviously, it was only a movie.
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I understand that this was only a movie, I just pointed out the fact that I had heard of laudinum before, and it gave me a reminder that opiates are good and soluable in alcohol. Although, I have heard from personal acquaintances and from myself as well, that when you slip into a deep nod, visions are seen as almost like a dream. I have experienced these 'opium dreams' first hand, they are vivid and almost real life.

I haven't personally suffered from w/d symptoms with the seed tea. I have experianced w/d from oxycodone and hydrocodone after 2-3 days, and those are far worse than a 4-5 day binge on 500+g (up to 750+g) of seed tea. I tend to generally take a break for a few days, so that my tolerance goes back down and it works like it is supposed to.
 
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Juggalotus said:
I understand that this was only a movie, I just pointed out the fact that I had heard of laudinum before, and it gave me a reminder that opiates are good and soluable in alcohol. Although, I have heard from personal acquaintances and from myself as well, that when you slip into a deep nod, visions are seen as almost like a dream. I have experienced these 'opium dreams' first hand, they are vivid and almost real life.
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I didn't mean it that way--opiates will alter your dreams, no doubt. I meant that mixing ladaunum and absinthe is dangerous to ingest--that I would hope was purely movie. It sounds like a stomach ache or an OD waiting to happen.

One of my favourite things to do after taking tea is to sleep--I NEVER remember my dreams, but on the tea I see and remember it all so clearly. I could sleep for 24 hours in a state of orgasmic bliss; to myself that's what is so dangerous about this drug.


I haven't personally suffered from w/d symptoms with the seed tea. I have experianced w/d from oxycodone and hydrocodone after 2-3 days, and those are far worse than a 4-5 day binge on 500+g (up to 750+g) of seed tea. I tend to generally take a break for a few days, so that my tolerance goes back down and it works like it is supposed to. [/B]
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Having faced seed-tea withdrawals more than a couple times now, I can tell you it isn't fun. It dosen't really set in until the 4th day that you stop all opiate consumption, then you get diaharrea and begin to have aches. It get's worse and worse until you feel like you have the flu and your sitting at the toilet holding a bucket so liquid is pouring out of both ends of yourself. Quite nasty. After a couple of days it dosen't stop, but it get's tolerable enough not to crave opiates and continue with your day-to-day life.
 
To Juggalotus

http://codeine.50g.com/info/codeine.html This link is to a good comprehensive page on codeine and opiates in general. It's worth the read if you are into opiates. I think i explained the conversion into 4 opiates incorrectly. But 4 definatley are invovled. Here's some exerts from the site.

"Conversion of codeine to morphine
To experience the effects of codeine, human body must convert the drug to morphine. "Codeine is metabolized by glucuronidation, by O-demethylation to morphine, and by N-demethylation to norcodeine. The enzyme responsible for the O-demethylation to morphine has been identified as cytochrome P4502D6 (CYP2D6)." - Microsomal codeine N-demethylation: cosegregation with cytochrome P4503A4 activity. In most humans, about 10% of codeine is transformed to morphine. Very small number of people is missing cytochrome 2D6 and therefore cannot experience the effects of codeine. The deficiency of the enzyme CYP2D6 is estimated at around 5-10% for Caucasians, 2% for Asians, and 1% for Arabic. On the other hand, between 0.5% and 2% of the population has multiple copies of the 2D6 gene and will metabolise 2D6-dependent drugs much more quickly and efficiently than others. Codeine tends to saturate the cytochrome 2D6 in effect making it work less efficiently; i.e. each dose of codeine lowers the effects of latter doses (during short period of time, eg 0-6 hours between doses). You may need to assess whether it's a waste for you."

"Codeine analgesia is due to codeine-6-glucuronide, not morphine
Professionals Vree TB, van Dongen RT, Koopman-Kimenai PM from Netherlands has established a different theory on codeine action: "Eighty per cent of codeine is conjugated with glucuronic acid to codeine-6-glucuronide. Only 5% of the dose is O-demethylated to morphine, which in turn is immediately glucuronidated at the 3- and 6-position and excreted renally. Based on the structural requirement of the opiate molecule for interaction with the mu-receptor to result in analgesia, codeine-6-glucuronide in analogy to morphine-6-glucuronide must be the active constituent of codeine. Poor metabolisers of codeine, those who lack the CYP450 2D6 isoenzyme for the O-demethylation to morphine, experience analgesia from codeine-6-glucuronide. Analgesia of codeine does not depend on the formation of morphine and the metaboliser phenotype."


If you find this kind of stuff interesting, i highyl suggest going through the whole site. They offer info on a bunch of different opiate related subjects, including extraction methods, ways to potentiate your high, things that will decrease, things to avoid, how to reduce/eliminate nausia, etc, much more. There's also info on a number of other opiates suchs as hydrocodone, morphine, dihydrocodeine, hydrocodone and oxycodone.

Have fun, learn something valuable.
 
Thanks for the link and information. I am currently doing an extract on 46.36g of seeds using regular ol' isopropyl alcohol. I would use denatured alcohol or ethyl, but there is a shit ton of snow on the ground and I didn't feel like driving 25 mins into town to get it, plus this should be sufficiant for what I want to do.

So far, the alcohol is about halfway evaporated, and there is a VERY dark smudge of oil forming in one spot in the evaporating dish. I am afraid it will turn out rather oily and I may have to add a dash of inert material (parsly or wild lettuce - I know wild lettuce isn't inert, but the amount I am using will pretty much be) to it so that I can get a smoke out of it, but time will tell. I plan to weigh the inert material first, then weigh them together so that I can get a number on the yield. I have a very accurate balance that I am using, it will weigh down to 10mg (100th of a gram) pretty accurately, thank you Ohaus :D.

Along with the oily smudge in the middle of the dish, there is also a filmy layer forming on top. I have a small fan blowing across the dish to aid the evaporation. When it is done, which should be within a couple hours, I will post results on the yield. I have already had some tea today, so I might wait to try the smoke because of tolerance issues.
 
i've LOT'S of experience with straight pods, although i haven't had the chance to try the 'seed' tea yet. but i was thinking about extractions too....last year i did alot of research and experimenting with extracting any and all alkaloids from pods, and you can find the sum of what i found out using different methods, solvents, ph's, ect here, although i go by 'whatever' on that forum...lot's of p. somniferum specific extraction info though...morphine and it's close neighbors do react slightly differently than your average alkaloid in an A/B extraction, like morphine base solubility issues in non-polar solvents, so it's worth reading up on the issue...

i haven't been over there for quite a few months though, and perhaps there are better methods being evolved...i'd imagine things would be alot simpler washing seeds, as you wouldn't have as much plant matter and other crap to worry about. and worse comes to worse, there's always the ever faithfull, if slightly sloppy and time-intensive, 'pod putty' method'...hot water and evaporate...works like a charm... ;)

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OK, the extract is done, and it is about the consistancy of resin from a weed pipe. No inert material needed to soak up the oil. It is a darkish brown color and smells like poppy seeds.... go figure :)

Ok, now for the final yeild: 290mg of crude "tar" or "resin"

This final product does not resemble opium visually in any way other than the color. It smells different and is a little stickier than opium.

I poured the water out of my bong (opiates are soluable in water) to replicate a bamboo opium pipe, and placed a small screen in the bottom of the conical bowl. I then put a *small* pinch of wild lettuce into the bowl and added roughly 75mg of the 'resin ball' on top of the lettuce.

Now for the smoke (I can't wait till tomarrow :D)

The smoke tastes remeniscent of poppy seeds, and produces effects rather quickly. I notice within 2 minutes of taking 3 hits that my hands are visibly clammy (lots of sweat on my palms). I also notice the small amount of nausea similar when drinking the tea. This stuff works, I have never had the pleasure to smoke real opium, but I do have close friends who have. The experience is very similar to what I have heard from my friends and read online.

I think this is worth the effort because I hate to wait for the tea to start working, and this is almost instantanious. I am impressed with the results and am going to try this more often.

I hope this helps with the curiosity regarding the alcohol extraction. If you would like to know how I did it, PM me, I don't want to get in trouble for putting a 'recipe' or something like that on here.

I must stress that this is far more potent than I expected, I had to lay down a couple of times to avoid nausea. All in all, it lasts about 2 hours or so just off of a little bit (75mg of resin - about the size of a pencil eraser).

Be Safe and Much Love
 
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