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Poppy Seed Tea - Ain't No Joke

Good luck to you brother you can do it and comfort meds are a must you wont get a medal for cold turkey . I been addicted to pods and heroin 15 years but dont want to scare you heroin an easier kick. It a month wd including week of of hell but fuck it you will do it . I want to see you on here in a month once you done because thats when the real work starts
I'll do it. I know I will. I'm crossing my fingers I can get onto the Suboxone program, but it seems harder to get onto than anything I've ever experienced. Our government have a lot to answer for. I may start small doses of tea just to get through, but then again I don't really want to and unravel all the good work I've done over the past 2 weeks. Loperamide is something I've been looking at, possibly. Fuck, I don't really know. It's just so excruciating. Thanks brother, this means a heap.
 
I'll do it. I know I will. I'm crossing my fingers I can get onto the Suboxone program, but it seems harder to get onto than anything I've ever experienced. Our government have a lot to answer for. I may start small doses of tea just to get through, but then again I don't really want to and unravel all the good work I've done over the past 2 weeks. Loperamide is something I've been looking at, possibly. Fuck, I don't really know. It's just so excruciating. Thanks brother, this means a heap.
Anything you want ask anytime whenever you got the right attitude just dont do small doses you wont feel a small dose but even at the smallest dose you will still be in pain. Lopermide a great fucking for on it stops you sitting on toilet for days with a sore arse. What if you get really bad go Aand E could be a way . I used to be totally against maintanace but i thinking about it now. Dont think you bothering me i help with whatever you need
 
Edit: I completely missed that this is from 2020. I really thought it was recent for some reason... I hope OP has found success and now has over a year free from dependence and addiction. Sorry to bump an old thread when OP probably won't ever see it

First of all; I hope your are continuing to find success in every new moment of your current journey to sobriety and freedom from addiction. Every minute and hour you can go without consuming your DOC, is another success to add in the books. Many people who have not dove into the depths of substance abuse will not adequately empathize with the very real struggle you're having right now. However, I do.. and I'm with you on it. The light at the end of the tunnel will eventually show itself and once you're able to bask in its warmth, you will have gained a strength in character that normal people never develop. You will have gone to war with yourself, and come out victorious. That said, the war itself is grueling, relentless, tiresome and all consuming. Here are some recommendations, advice to use both on your own and if you go to a treatment center:

- I highly recommend you hop onto the 24/7 Zoom NA meetings and seek companionship with the good people in these groups. I have found them to be of great help and comfort personally. (I especially like the anonymity factor of them). I always recommend NA because it isn't about your drug of choice, its about the condition of addiction (which every single person has, be it in a form society deems acceptable or one deemed "unacceptable")
- Get the book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction. by Dr. Gabor Maté. It has provided the illumination many of my students and peers needed in their lives. All his other works and discussions are fantastic as well.
- The only way for those who have zero self control to quit is usually with a medically assisted cold turkey. Supervision, Medicinal support and a new (and helpful) environment can greatly decrease suffering and increase success. The best way to quit however, is the same path you journeyed to your current position: Taper down over the next 3/6/9 months. (Self control I assume you have since you "don't stop" when you set your mind to something). This is why methadone and Suboxone are well supported, as they allow a taper but in a clinically controlled manner. (Unfortunately many clinics have no desire to taper their patients and simply keep them on indefinitely).
- Herbal supplementation. I'm sure you can find many sources of information on this. Many assume simple herbs won't help when contrasted with the potency of their DOC. But when used as part of a healthy lifestyle routine, they can provide compounding relief for withdrawals and post withdrawals. I recommend all adaptogenic herbs and mushrooms as something everyone should consume on a regular basis.
- Lastly, don't underestimate the power of psycho-therapy. Every person can trace back their addictive tendencies to a form of trauma at some point in their life. We use substances for a reason, but we become addicted to them for a whole other reason, whether its is apparent or not. (These factors are some the Dr. Maté has built his career on). Therapy can help us uncover and decipher our internal code and really lock down our reasons for being and realize/change our innate reactions into measured responses. Therapy can range from simple talk therapy/CBT to hypnoses therapy and all the way to the cutting edge of entheogen assisted therapy. Therapy and self work is the key to alleviating ourselves of of being "The Addict". (not just)Personal opinion: Unlike NA (and the like) prefers to teach; once and addict is NOT always an addict. Because addiction is a symptom of the dis-ease, not the dis-ease itself. But that's "getting into the weeds" a bit.


All that said, I would like to address your desire top protect society from itself.
I'm not sure what @Nas47 is on about... But he is correct on one thing; There is no more evil in the poppy plant than there is in the coffee tree or wheat grain. The plant is but merely a natural occurrence, one with strong medicinal value for us, the animals who have evolved on earth with it. It lives in harmony with us, as do all other plants and plant medicines.
Don't get me wrong, evil certainly exists. But only within us. Our individual choice to be either beneficial or to be detrimental. The plant is neither of those and to think so is to project your own shortcomings onto an object, a tool of sorts.
The plant being beneficial or detrimental is purely in our actions, how we choose to use or abuse it. (This goes for so much more than our topic at hand and is unfortunately one of the reasons why our world is sacrificing freedom in exchange for false security/safety)
You chose to use the plant in a detrimental (in your words "evil") way, of which the plant bears no responsibility. You chose to disrespect the power of the plant and its medicinal properties. Thats on you.
By choosing to "raise a shit storm" and deem it the societies burden to bear your lack of respect for yourself and the medicine is to offload the responsibility you have to yourself.
It is not logical or ethical to mandate that society be protected from itself and force others to be barred from access from something, simply because you were incapable of being responsible.
You live in Australia, so I wouldn't expect you to understand the tenets of personal and civil liberty or even value them. After all, the lack of value for these tenants is exactly why Australia is one of the most restrictive places a person can exist outside of the major communist countries. (speaking specifically about your laws and what a person may/may not do or say).
You exemplify the epitome of this "virtue signaling"/"pass the blame"/"you shouldn't be allowed to do that" culture which is rapidly expanding in our world.
To put it plainly; Just because you can't handle your shit doesn't mean it's acceptable for your to try and ruin it for everyone else.
Just because something poses a risk of danger to oneself does not mean society should bar anyone from being able to access/do that thing.
The purpose of life is not to avoid danger and/or death at all costs. A life where one is forced to "do what's right/safe/honorable" is a world where the honor and goodness in our ability to make such choice is stripped away.
One aspect of true liberty and freedom of choice is to be granted permission by society(law/policy) to do that which may endanger oneself. Be that riding a motorcycle (helmet-less as well), smoking a cigarette, watching mainstream media, consuming traditional plant medicines recreationally, skydive, drive a car, do martial arts or play paintball. Heck, drinking alcohol is more dangerous than most "illegal" substances.
A life with no risk is no life at all.

To wrap this up, as I have have gotten a bit rant-y...
The global "war" on drugs (of certain kinds) has created more harm for people than the substances themselves ever could. By 'attempting' to restrict the sacred (unassailable/inviolable) and historical human right to use plant(based) medicines in the pursuit to alter our state of consciousness (in any way), we have created a world full of ignorance, addiction, violence, dangerous and impure black market substances, high rates of incarceration for non-malicious "crimes" and ultimately fueled industrial corporate profit machines on a global scale. ( This is not to say that the WOD is the only factor in theses issues). By stating you want to bar others from accessing your DOC is to perpetuate the values of this self righteous control over the minds of others ('the war on drugs')
The only point you made that I partially agree with you on, is the little sentence where you mention warning labels. Education is the key to encouraging safety and responsible living.
Take cigarettes for example: companies were forced to educate potential users through the use of warning labels about the potential danger one may expose themselves to by using this product. We now have short lessons on the potential danger of using such products in many of our schools world wide. Low and behold, smoking has fallen out of zeitgeist. The same goes for alcoho. Though it being a more potent psychoactive substance, it remains in the zeitgeist and will for the rest of time in all likelihood.
This is the key to saving our society from much suffering. We must educate the people about all of the substances and medicines they may encounter within our society and educate them on what they are, how they work, what their purpose is and the potential dangers they may pose when used or used incorrectly. But this will only work if at the same time we allow people free-market access to all the substances in question, and afford them the freedom to made educated choices for their selves. This automatically promotes a safer economy of substances as well.
That is a life worth living.

(So many people get themselves into trouble, finding themselves deep in a hold because they were simply ignorant about what they were doing. Others of course, dug that hole knowingly, like you).
If we as a society agreed to establish the values as stated above (considering substances), we would find ourselves in a world with less addiction, less incarceration, less substance related death, less trauma, less depression, less crime, less ignorance and more freedom. This is exemplified and proven in several countries who have given access to this innate freedom back to their population and put all the funds now being saved towards education, addiction treatment/therapy and towards making sure those who do use/abuse are able to do so in a safe and clean environment (which lowers incidence of disease and homelessness).

I wish your luck and strength in your journey to filling back in the hole you dug for yourself. You are not alone, as many of us have been there and many are there right now. A mantra that may help: "If it sucks, then you're on the right path".
Remember; This too, shall pass. Once it has, you'll be more the person then you ever were!
Knees in the breeze and the shiny side up.

Cheers, SM
This post is amazing. So well said. I wish I could break it down as simply and plainly as you did here, when having discussions with people about similar topics. God I love BL. Peace, love and good vibes to you and yours brother.
 
Just had a meeting with one of the nicest most intelligent and compassionate addiction specialists in Melbourne. During this journey I've found many doctors are extremely weary to prescribe Suboxone for those using PST. However, this particular doctor was able to send a sample away to test the approximate amount of morphine and codeine I've been ingesting via the PST... Turns out the bare minimum to keep me well was around 100-150mg of morphine with the codeine being around half. I was dosing this around 2 to 3 times a day. Hence the severe withdrawals... Seems the poppy seed processes remove almost none of the alkaloids in the seeds I've been using.

In two hours I begin Suboxone treatment. In around a week or so when the proper dosage has been worked out, I'll be getting a depot shot so as I can go about my life without the worry of having to attend a chemist daily and get my career back, my family back and most importantly my happiness back. I don't know exactly what to expect when I begin, but anything is better than the feeling of withdrawals.

In closing, this is the first day of the rest of my life. If it weren't for the total strangers of BL supporting me, my family and a couple close mates, I'd have relapsed and probably would have ruined what's left of my life... Let's hope the next 40 or so years are clean, happy and awakening.

I'll probably post a little later once I've had my first Suboxone dose, but apart from that I just want to thank all of you for your kindness, understanding and words of encouragement.
 
Good news AS ...good to hear you have made progress...all the best for the future.
Thank you my man! Dosed the first Suboxone strip 2 hours ago... Although I'm feeling somewhat tired, it has pretty much relieved all the intense, painful and agonising withdrawals. I'm actually surprised that this first dose has had such a profound and noticable effect! This is definitely a drug that requires it's current level of restrictions, but I can see now why it's the perfect solution to opioid addiction, it has already (and it may be the old placebo effect making an appearance) made the cravings for this putrid tea, vanish. I am so incredibly lucky I found this doctor, he's text me twice just checking in since the appointment earlier. He genuinely cares.
 
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Day 3 of Suboxone sublingual. Had 8mg for the past two days and increased slightly to 12mg today as I was feeling minor, very very minor but noticeable, withdrawals throughout last night from around 10pm. Initially the subs were making me a tad anxious a couple hours after dosing, but today, not so much. Today I have so much energy to burn like I've had a couple lines of good coke (not an icy rush) so have been catching up on all those boring household chores that need doing, and right now am feeling pretty damn good. Still a bit rushy now as I type this, but I'm enjoying that and am positive that feeling will be a thing of the past once my body adapts. 2 years of making PST multiple times a day, to now just a strip under the tongue, is going to do things to my mind and body that I'm not even aware of... So just rolling with it and enjoying the ride. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer no rush at all and to just feel "normal", but if this is part of the journey to being free from PST so be it.

I honestly think 12mg MAY be the sweet spot for me personally. It's not a very high dose, however I did go cold turkey for a week then was doing 1/4 of what I was on to get through the days, so there may be that possibility of my tolerance dropping somewhat, which I feel to be a great thing. The lower I can have the subs dosed, the easier it will be to get off them completely when that time comes (I'm giving myself 2 years for this to happen, I do not want to feel those WDs I had, ever again).

It's a freeing feeling. No more having to worry about sourcing the seeds or pods, no more having to have back up dealers waiting to sell me oxys when I had no seeds, no more shaking bottles and spreading seeds around the yard, no more feeling like a piece of shit because I couldn't go anywhere if I didn't have my "tea". Oh, also no more having to pretend I was a Jewish Baker whenever I was buying bulk seeds from the local wholesalers (yes I even had a chef uniform on most of the time so no one caught on, I got THAT bad). I actually feel like I've just walked out the gates of The MAP (Melbourne Assessment Prison) and back into the real world. It's that exact same feeling mentally I had 3 years back. It's a feeling of freedom.

Have an amazing and SAFE weekend. Big love to each and every one of you.

AS

EDIT: 12mg is still not enough to quell the withdrawals and the uncomfortable feelings. I'm actually surprised how potent poppy brew is!! Doc did estimate around 16mg to 24mg ish would be where I'd find the most significant relief. Hopefully can start upping the dose this week. Although, 3 days clean off poppies, literally the first time since I went coke turkey two weeks ago, for the first time in years. Of course my body and mind are going to take some time to heal after the abuse I've put it through!
 
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Hey, glad you're feeling better. I'm addicted to tea atm as well. About 1.5kg a day habit. I just ordered myself 20kg because this past week I've been without and withdrawals have been hell. I don't wanna do this shit anymore but my mental health was bad beforehand I tried to kill myself. The tea was good at first. It still kind of is. Idk what to do.
 
Hey, glad you're feeling better. I'm addicted to tea atm as well. About 1.5kg a day habit. I just ordered myself 20kg because this past week I've been without and withdrawals have been hell. I don't wanna do this shit anymore but my mental health was bad beforehand I tried to kill myself. The tea was good at first. It still kind of is. Idk what to do.
Send me a DM. If you're in Australia I am happy to help where I can. There is a light at the end of the horrible tunnel, and I'll do my best to get you there. It won't be instant (give it 3 weeks from the time we organise a prescriber, to induction to actually starting), but today, as well as yesterday, I'm finally feeling better than I've felt in a good, shit... 5 years maybe? I'll do my utmost to help as others did for me. 🙏 We will speak soon.

Keep in mind you have to be in mild to moderate withdrawals to start Suboxone, but it's nothing compared to the full blown WDs. You'll get there only if YOU want to.
 
For real poppy seed tea is fucked. Restriction is not the answer though people. I'm as commie as you can get (just my little dig at the poster above me, cause if you live in America I hate to tell you, you ain't free, not unless you call living in fear of having any kind of medical emergency and being saddled with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills 'free' lol. I'll take my socialist utopia of universal healthcare any day where I can attend an emergency department with acute appendicitis, stay for 4 days waiting on emergency surgery while they monitored me - kept getting bumped down the list because more urgent cases came in, not because the system is crap. The moment my appendix burst I would have been first in line, given antibiotics, painkillers, Anesthesia, all the works and walked out with a bill for $13.50 for my prescription endone on discharge. What an awful system. I didn't go to a private hospital (though I could have) because I didn't understand how it worked and didn't want to pay the excess of $500 to be admitted for something the public system handled perfectly well, because I do have private health cover I only use it when necessary, anyway. What a horrid system lol, god damn our Medicare levy of paying all of 1% tax on our income hahaha how draining on peoples funds)

I started on codeine at 14 for scoliosis and due to mental health issues. Used to much on ibuprofen plus straight out of the packet and CWE those bastard panadeine forte when I got my hands on them. Also OTC Panadol and codeine, forget the name. Did that until I got my hands on endone in an ironic plot twist.

My idiot father is an idiot. My brother had a knee reconstruction at 16 and dear old dad didn't give him any endone post surgery (which I mean given he's a twisted bastard is a touch abusive because holy fuck my poor bro would have been in agony for days to weeks because of that) but yeah, little packet of endone all full up sitting in the fridge waiting for little old me to figure out what it was, which I eventually did. So yeah when I took that first pill I reckon I was instantly addicted, psychologically at least because I decided I never wanted to stop feeling like that ever again. And thus began the love affair.

After about 2 months of endone I realised I was up shits creek without a paddle already and I tried to quit. I flushed 10 pills, all I had left. And the fucked thing? I swear to fucking god I'm still bitter about doing that and I wish I got high off them because what a waste. I've ditched hundreds of dollars of meth when I decide to quit that and I don't give a shit when I throw it down the gutter (sorry fishies) but the endone? Goddamn what a waste, fuck me I could still cry to this day. I was crying as I did it.

From 16 to 17 I binged on DXM and weed and alcohol and had a break from opiates. I got a bit freaked out at how quickly they controlled me. And I wish I stayed quit.

At 16 and a half my parents busted me for drugs. Well, my cousin's parents did and sat me on a plane from Melbourne to Adelaide with some unhappy parents waiting for me when I got home. I got sent to NA where I got a year up then realised I was in a cult. Jumped back out and decided that thanks to some of the advice I'd heard in meetings (come back when you've got a real addiction/wait until you try shooting up/youre not a real addict/you're too young to be in recovery) plus the trauma of having older members trying to fuck me as a minor that I'd go out and have more fun. Plus their 'your addiction is just getting stronger' nonsense wait I mean slogan caused a self fulfilling prophecy where I told myself I had to use more than ever before (a mindset which was only fixed 6-8 years later at an actual proper rehab where they told me that there is literally zero reason you have to use any more than a single time when you slip up, which is what I managed to do for years to minimise my use, go figure. That rehab undid a whole year of toxic brainwashing and allows me to live a life where I control my substance use and it doesn't control me even though im an IV user). So I got back on codeine harder than ever before.

By 17, almost 18, I freaked again and went to the doctor for help. I was taking way too much codeine. He told me that there was a 3 week wait for the practices addiction medicine specialist and asked me what I needed help with. I told him I was taking 3 packets of ibuprofen plus a day, so 90 pills. He got up, excused himself, and came back minutes later with another doctor. He introduced him as the addiction medicine specialist who suddenly was immediately available. I asked about the wait and the specialist told me that what I was doing was so dangerous especially at my age that he skipped his lunch to get the authority for Suboxone done for me that day. The authority actually he had to fight for, because I was a minor and they weren't thrilled to put me on it, but he argued them into submission and promised that I would only be staying on it for a maximum of 6 months. They agreed and the next day I picked up my first dose at the chemist. Thus began my journey with replacement therapy.

I stayed On Suboxone for 6 months as promised by the specialist, and then stayed sober for the next year. I went overseas to Germany for 8 months at 20 and kept my drinking to a reasonable level. While overseas living with a functional family, I had some massive revelations about my own family and on returning home, I was back on drugs within less than a week, this time going back to endone and moving up to OxyContin.

At 21 I ran away from home due to severe conflict with a parent and was homeless for 6 months while I tried to get welfare payments as a full time student. Problem was, the age of independence is 22. That's right. I could vote, drive a car, drink and buy cigarettes, work a job, join the army - you name it. But apparently I was still dependent on my parents financially and the only legal way of proving I wasn't was an official statement from them saying they didn't want me living there with them and that there was severe family breakdown. So basically, parents have to admit that they're shit, not likely to happen. I got a social worker who took me into the welfare office and told a social worker there that my mental health was terrible living with my parents and I had chosen living on the streets instead of there - how could family breakdown not exist? The social worker told us with the right supportive documents about my wellbeing, I could be granted independence 8 months early - maybe. The first time didn't work, so I told the social worker about my drug use. At this stage I'd moved on to eating bars of Xanax until I blacked out, shooting bags if heroin alongside that and throwing alcohol in the mix until I blacked out. Then I'd shoot meth to wake myself up from that mess and it was fear of having to return home which drove that. We submitted a dependency score of 42/44 and the next attempt, the application was successful. I got my payments.

And I put them straight up my arm for the next 6 months until I moved in with a close friend and went cold turkey from everything. The following year I coped alright until April where I relapsed again, very fast that time and did meth and heroin every day throwing codeine into the mix when I couldn't get h. That went on until August when I straightened up again and then went to outpatient rehab.

Throughout rehab I'd get 6-8 months up then slip up a single day before starting again. That was a pattern between being 22-24. At 24 I stopped attending rehab because I couldn't get anything more out if it but went back to the place I had my original social worker, which was youth drug and alcohol counselling (max age 25) and stayed there for 4 months before being transitioned to the adult programme. I had an amazing, fucking incredible social worker there who taught me more than I even thought I could know about myself and why I used drugs. However, due to ongoing family issues my use remained and I went through phases. Meth was still an issue, probably the main one. At 25 I found out some information about my childhood I probably should have left alone which caused an immediate decline in my mental health. But this time I could not source heroin, because Adelaide had dried up. Prescription opiates were phenomenonally expensive and I was on welfare. I wanted to stay away from meth - so what to do?

Poppy seeds. Cheap, available, and feasible.

And so it started. I began with small amounts, 250g. And that was enough to get a good nod. I did some research and found out the best ways to brew (and also found out there is a shitload of disagreement on this lol I'm in camp warm water and lemon juice forever). After about 6 months my use had massively escalated and I was using close to a kg a day. I had to constantly take empty 2l bottles out of my apartment bags at a time. I'd try to quit, and I'd make it to say day 4 then fuck, the withdrawal would suddenly kick in like nothing before and it was horrible. Then I read online that because of the number of alkaloids, poppy seed tea withdrawal went on for fucking weeks. Weeks! When I came off dope in 2017 at 22 I had a couple days feeling shit while I waited to start Suboxone but nothing like this. I caved and went to my GP and begged him for help - last time I asked him for Suboxone he wasn't allowed to prescribe it, and didn't particularly want to because he loves general practice and doesn't want to become a Suboxone doctor and he knows that happens. That time he wrote me a referral to a specialist. This time though? He saw how bad I was doing and knows for a fact that Suboxone is a miracle drug for me - I was studying law between 2016 and 2021 and spent a majority of the time on it and it took me from almost dropping out to distinctions and high distinctions so he said yes. He told me the rules had recently changed and he was allowed to prescribe it without a special license. He just needed a week to figure out how to do it so told me to keep using and come back once he sorted that out. So we did that. The plan was to use it as a slow taper and come off within a year, which I did. But when I was tapering off using the subutex, I was shooting it so clearly I wasn't quite done.

Which brings us to last year. I had a massive upheaval not soon after coming off suboxone and my support network fell apart. Within a week I was back on poppy seed tea and this time after a couple of months I was up to 1.5kg a day. But something was different this time. The shit was harder to get. The stores were always low on stock. I soemtimes had to visit 3-4 shops to get it and when I drove somewhere new I always stopped at a shop just in case I could get extras. Plus I started seeing bottles of poppy seed tea left in parks, and on railway tracks. I had a pattern of use I wonder if anyone will recognise. One day use, the next day I was safe from withdrawal and I promised myself I'd quit. The third day would arrive and some doubt would creep in and on the fourth day before I knew it I'd be in a Coles or woolies or wholefoods store stocking up and mixing the tea alone in my apartment for another night. I tried tapering, which of course is completely impossible. I had to narcan myself numerous times because my breathing got so shallow and I was nodding so heavily I thought if I went to sleep I'd die. And then I used heroin again when I sourced it online and I knew I was back in a bad place.

I went to the drug and alcohol service and asked for suboxone, they had an open case file with me still from my taper earlier that year so I got in quite quick. When I told them (and my GP) last time I was using poppy seed tea they were confused and asked me to explain. This time when I told them they nodded and asked how much I was using. They said the heroin drought and the massive prescription prices was driving people to desperately look for other opiates and poppy seed tea was the new thing. People were coming in so heavily addicted that the doctors were worried that there was a flood of heroin back in Adelaide until they found out what was going on. And they said that the withdrawal from the poppy seeds was nothing like they'd ever seen - people just couldn't cope for the weeks it lasted. Heroin withdrawal is over in like 5 days. This shit lasts 3 weeks. You cannot do it alone.

This time I was put on the subcutaneous injection as I had a history of abusing the Suboxone and ceasing treatment too quickly. They suggested I stay on it for 2-5 years given my opiate use has spanned over more than a decade at this point and at 27 it'll only get worse if I keep using. I agreed.

I've done every opiate known to man, basically. And nothing kicked my ass more than poppy seed tea. It's not a fucking joke. Heroin made me do horrible things to score and use, but that was largely to do with the price. The cheapness of poppy seed tea meant I didn't have to do anything dodgy to use it which suited me just fine but I still drained my money on that shit.

It is not to be messed around with and im glad as hell there's other people who know how bad it is cause I get sick of other users telling me I'm just being soft or overreacting for going on maintainance therapy to deal with poppy seeds. I'd like to see them get through 3 weeks of shitty opiate withdrawal and see how they feel. I wish I never found out what it was.

I don't think restricting it is the answer though because I support full legalisation of all drugs. I think education about it is the right way forward

Wow, was reading this on my phone and had to get up and turn my laptop on to reply. That's really impressive that amongst homelessness and all kinds of addiction and IV use that you managed to study law as well. That was the part that really blew my mind. Your story resonated with me a lot, similiar stuff here except i'm from melb and studying education not law.
 
Wow, was reading this on my phone and had to get up and turn my laptop on to reply. That's really impressive that amongst homelessness and all kinds of addiction and IV use that you managed to study law as well. That was the part that really blew my mind. Your story resonated with me a lot, similiar stuff here except i'm from melb and studying education not law.

I got a $5000 scholarship from the University at the start of my degree in first year which helped with the homelessness issue in a pinch, which had the flow on affect of helping with the drug use. But the second year I relapsed badly again and kept using for around 9 months which led in me missing a lot of class (days to weeks), not having amazing grades, and coming literally to being a 50/50 choice between dropping out and continuing my addiction. Like my decision came down to a single moment one day and I went with asking for some help.

I don't view my story as being incredibly impressive, I just worked my hardest and never gave up despite my circumstances. I'm glad I experienced it because it has set me apart from most privileged law students. Thanks for your words.
 
For real poppy seed tea is fucked. Restriction is not the answer though people. I'm as commie as you can get (just my little dig at the poster above me, cause if you live in America I hate to tell you, you ain't free, not unless you call living in fear of having any kind of medical emergency and being saddled with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills 'free' lol. I'll take my socialist utopia of universal healthcare any day where I can attend an emergency department with acute appendicitis, stay for 4 days waiting on emergency surgery while they monitored me - kept getting bumped down the list because more urgent cases came in, not because the system is crap. The moment my appendix burst I would have been first in line, given antibiotics, painkillers, Anesthesia, all the works and walked out with a bill for $13.50 for my prescription endone on discharge. What an awful system. I didn't go to a private hospital (though I could have) because I didn't understand how it worked and didn't want to pay the excess of $500 to be admitted for something the public system handled perfectly well, because I do have private health cover I only use it when necessary, anyway. What a horrid system lol, god damn our Medicare levy of paying all of 1% tax on our income hahaha how draining on peoples funds)

I started on codeine at 14 for scoliosis and due to mental health issues. Used to much on ibuprofen plus straight out of the packet and CWE those bastard panadeine forte when I got my hands on them. Also OTC Panadol and codeine, forget the name. Did that until I got my hands on endone in an ironic plot twist.

My idiot father is an idiot. My brother had a knee reconstruction at 16 and dear old dad didn't give him any endone post surgery (which I mean given he's a twisted bastard is a touch abusive because holy fuck my poor bro would have been in agony for days to weeks because of that) but yeah, little packet of endone all full up sitting in the fridge waiting for little old me to figure out what it was, which I eventually did. So yeah when I took that first pill I reckon I was instantly addicted, psychologically at least because I decided I never wanted to stop feeling like that ever again. And thus began the love affair.

After about 2 months of endone I realised I was up shits creek without a paddle already and I tried to quit. I flushed 10 pills, all I had left. And the fucked thing? I swear to fucking god I'm still bitter about doing that and I wish I got high off them because what a waste. I've ditched hundreds of dollars of meth when I decide to quit that and I don't give a shit when I throw it down the gutter (sorry fishies) but the endone? Goddamn what a waste, fuck me I could still cry to this day. I was crying as I did it.

From 16 to 17 I binged on DXM and weed and alcohol and had a break from opiates. I got a bit freaked out at how quickly they controlled me. And I wish I stayed quit.

At 16 and a half my parents busted me for drugs. Well, my cousin's parents did and sat me on a plane from Melbourne to Adelaide with some unhappy parents waiting for me when I got home. I got sent to NA where I got a year up then realised I was in a cult. Jumped back out and decided that thanks to some of the advice I'd heard in meetings (come back when you've got a real addiction/wait until you try shooting up/youre not a real addict/you're too young to be in recovery) plus the trauma of having older members trying to fuck me as a minor that I'd go out and have more fun. Plus their 'your addiction is just getting stronger' nonsense wait I mean slogan caused a self fulfilling prophecy where I told myself I had to use more than ever before (a mindset which was only fixed 6-8 years later at an actual proper rehab where they told me that there is literally zero reason you have to use any more than a single time when you slip up, which is what I managed to do for years to minimise my use, go figure. That rehab undid a whole year of toxic brainwashing and allows me to live a life where I control my substance use and it doesn't control me even though im an IV user). So I got back on codeine harder than ever before.

By 17, almost 18, I freaked again and went to the doctor for help. I was taking way too much codeine. He told me that there was a 3 week wait for the practices addiction medicine specialist and asked me what I needed help with. I told him I was taking 3 packets of ibuprofen plus a day, so 90 pills. He got up, excused himself, and came back minutes later with another doctor. He introduced him as the addiction medicine specialist who suddenly was immediately available. I asked about the wait and the specialist told me that what I was doing was so dangerous especially at my age that he skipped his lunch to get the authority for Suboxone done for me that day. The authority actually he had to fight for, because I was a minor and they weren't thrilled to put me on it, but he argued them into submission and promised that I would only be staying on it for a maximum of 6 months. They agreed and the next day I picked up my first dose at the chemist. Thus began my journey with replacement therapy.

I stayed On Suboxone for 6 months as promised by the specialist, and then stayed sober for the next year. I went overseas to Germany for 8 months at 20 and kept my drinking to a reasonable level. While overseas living with a functional family, I had some massive revelations about my own family and on returning home, I was back on drugs within less than a week, this time going back to endone and moving up to OxyContin.

At 21 I ran away from home due to severe conflict with a parent and was homeless for 6 months while I tried to get welfare payments as a full time student. Problem was, the age of independence is 22. That's right. I could vote, drive a car, drink and buy cigarettes, work a job, join the army - you name it. But apparently I was still dependent on my parents financially and the only legal way of proving I wasn't was an official statement from them saying they didn't want me living there with them and that there was severe family breakdown. So basically, parents have to admit that they're shit, not likely to happen. I got a social worker who took me into the welfare office and told a social worker there that my mental health was terrible living with my parents and I had chosen living on the streets instead of there - how could family breakdown not exist? The social worker told us with the right supportive documents about my wellbeing, I could be granted independence 8 months early - maybe. The first time didn't work, so I told the social worker about my drug use. At this stage I'd moved on to eating bars of Xanax until I blacked out, shooting bags if heroin alongside that and throwing alcohol in the mix until I blacked out. Then I'd shoot meth to wake myself up from that mess and it was fear of having to return home which drove that. We submitted a dependency score of 42/44 and the next attempt, the application was successful. I got my payments.

And I put them straight up my arm for the next 6 months until I moved in with a close friend and went cold turkey from everything. The following year I coped alright until April where I relapsed again, very fast that time and did meth and heroin every day throwing codeine into the mix when I couldn't get h. That went on until August when I straightened up again and then went to outpatient rehab.

Throughout rehab I'd get 6-8 months up then slip up a single day before starting again. That was a pattern between being 22-24. At 24 I stopped attending rehab because I couldn't get anything more out if it but went back to the place I had my original social worker, which was youth drug and alcohol counselling (max age 25) and stayed there for 4 months before being transitioned to the adult programme. I had an amazing, fucking incredible social worker there who taught me more than I even thought I could know about myself and why I used drugs. However, due to ongoing family issues my use remained and I went through phases. Meth was still an issue, probably the main one. At 25 I found out some information about my childhood I probably should have left alone which caused an immediate decline in my mental health. But this time I could not source heroin, because Adelaide had dried up. Prescription opiates were phenomenonally expensive and I was on welfare. I wanted to stay away from meth - so what to do?

Poppy seeds. Cheap, available, and feasible.

And so it started. I began with small amounts, 250g. And that was enough to get a good nod. I did some research and found out the best ways to brew (and also found out there is a shitload of disagreement on this lol I'm in camp warm water and lemon juice forever). After about 6 months my use had massively escalated and I was using close to a kg a day. I had to constantly take empty 2l bottles out of my apartment bags at a time. I'd try to quit, and I'd make it to say day 4 then fuck, the withdrawal would suddenly kick in like nothing before and it was horrible. Then I read online that because of the number of alkaloids, poppy seed tea withdrawal went on for fucking weeks. Weeks! When I came off dope in 2017 at 22 I had a couple days feeling shit while I waited to start Suboxone but nothing like this. I caved and went to my GP and begged him for help - last time I asked him for Suboxone he wasn't allowed to prescribe it, and didn't particularly want to because he loves general practice and doesn't want to become a Suboxone doctor and he knows that happens. That time he wrote me a referral to a specialist. This time though? He saw how bad I was doing and knows for a fact that Suboxone is a miracle drug for me - I was studying law between 2016 and 2021 and spent a majority of the time on it and it took me from almost dropping out to distinctions and high distinctions so he said yes. He told me the rules had recently changed and he was allowed to prescribe it without a special license. He just needed a week to figure out how to do it so told me to keep using and come back once he sorted that out. So we did that. The plan was to use it as a slow taper and come off within a year, which I did. But when I was tapering off using the subutex, I was shooting it so clearly I wasn't quite done.

Which brings us to last year. I had a massive upheaval not soon after coming off suboxone and my support network fell apart. Within a week I was back on poppy seed tea and this time after a couple of months I was up to 1.5kg a day. But something was different this time. The shit was harder to get. The stores were always low on stock. I soemtimes had to visit 3-4 shops to get it and when I drove somewhere new I always stopped at a shop just in case I could get extras. Plus I started seeing bottles of poppy seed tea left in parks, and on railway tracks. I had a pattern of use I wonder if anyone will recognise. One day use, the next day I was safe from withdrawal and I promised myself I'd quit. The third day would arrive and some doubt would creep in and on the fourth day before I knew it I'd be in a Coles or woolies or wholefoods store stocking up and mixing the tea alone in my apartment for another night. I tried tapering, which of course is completely impossible. I had to narcan myself numerous times because my breathing got so shallow and I was nodding so heavily I thought if I went to sleep I'd die. And then I used heroin again when I sourced it online and I knew I was back in a bad place.

I went to the drug and alcohol service and asked for suboxone, they had an open case file with me still from my taper earlier that year so I got in quite quick. When I told them (and my GP) last time I was using poppy seed tea they were confused and asked me to explain. This time when I told them they nodded and asked how much I was using. They said the heroin drought and the massive prescription prices was driving people to desperately look for other opiates and poppy seed tea was the new thing. People were coming in so heavily addicted that the doctors were worried that there was a flood of heroin back in Adelaide until they found out what was going on. And they said that the withdrawal from the poppy seeds was nothing like they'd ever seen - people just couldn't cope for the weeks it lasted. Heroin withdrawal is over in like 5 days. This shit lasts 3 weeks. You cannot do it alone.

This time I was put on the subcutaneous injection as I had a history of abusing the Suboxone and ceasing treatment too quickly. They suggested I stay on it for 2-5 years given my opiate use has spanned over more than a decade at this point and at 27 it'll only get worse if I keep using. I agreed.

I've done every opiate known to man, basically. And nothing kicked my ass more than poppy seed tea. It's not a fucking joke. Heroin made me do horrible things to score and use, but that was largely to do with the price. The cheapness of poppy seed tea meant I didn't have to do anything dodgy to use it which suited me just fine but I still drained my money on that shit.

It is not to be messed around with and im glad as hell there's other people who know how bad it is cause I get sick of other users telling me I'm just being soft or overreacting for going on maintainance therapy to deal with poppy seeds. I'd like to see them get through 3 weeks of shitty opiate withdrawal and see how they feel. I wish I never found out what it was.

I don't think restricting it is the answer though because I support full legalisation of all drugs. I think education about it is the right way forwardyou

Can't stand people who do this shit.
It's not enough that some fucking idiots (who ate a hundred Nurofen Plus every day) had to get codeine rescheduled istead of taking responsibility for their own drug use.. now it's the supermarket's job to ration out poppy seeds for the whole country just to appease your needs?

It's never enough for people to ruin something for themself, they just have to ruin it for everyone else too.
Duuuuuuude, my sentiment exactly... the guy decides that he's going to ruin his life with a bagel topping and since he couldn't handle himself he's going to make it his lifes mission to ruin it for everyone else!

You need the retail stores to hold you like a baby? You have ZERO will power?

How about you consider people like me? People who can use it only when needed as a cheap natural and reliable alternative to pharmaceuticals!

I can make the tea when I need it and that's it and YES I've nodded.... but I made a choice to never use it more than needed and never more than two days in a row. Think about the rest of us and not just yourself. I'm sorry you're going through this, but it's YOUR fault. No one elses!
 
@Kaden_Nite read, goose.

Perhaps in future, read the entire thread and don't jump on they keyboard as soon as you see something that you disagree with. "Can't stand people who do this shit" aka abuse others when they disagree with a comment made. On ya bike cock head, it's people like you that the world needs far less of. Judging by your comment you couldn't care less who experiments or worse, ODs from this brew, perhaps you need to re-evaluate some things in your life (possibly a PST addiction you're in denial about).
To be honest, I don't blame them for being frustrated and I don't feel that what they said was harsh at all. It was actually truthful and something YOU needed to hear.

How about taking some responsibility? If someone is going far enough to make a tea out of 300 grams of seeds or whatever, they know what they are getting into. They didn't just come to that point by dumb luck, just like you.

With this and everything else, it all boils down to harm reduction and education. Not banning or what the actual truth is... RESTRICTING FREEDOMS.
 
poppy tea is legitimately my favorite opiate preperation

pods or seeds are both fine, watch out though, it takes a tremendous amount of willpower not to just down it all at once and then go back for more at a higher dose. should be stored as a tincture and microdosed tbh. but who the fuck has that willpower? it's why opiates usually remain distributed by doctors and dealers, often ones who aren't opiod/opiate users. it's a system as old as poppy cultivation and opium use itself lol.

it's nice to know it's there, you'll have it when you need it, and you aren't gonna fuck it up and drink it all/take it all cause you only get so much

kinda like how methadone works but probably a little less strict

we're working on it. opiates aren't going to go away any more than alcohol is, so it's best to just talk about it's use openly and not as a moral thing. some people like it. some people need it.

one thing is for sure though, poppy seed tea is NO JOKE lol.

at least one person (this guy) prefers it to pharms (vicodin is fantastic though for a more artifical style general purpose opiod. mild? yeah. pleasant? you bet. Dr. House ain't wrong lol)
I keep saying this to people, who like to think of poppy seed tea as a 'tame' alternative to other opiates, nope it is still sodding OPIUM and it will get you physically dependent if you take it regularly. Also the withdrawals from that stuff are utter shit. Give me heroin over opium wd any day.
 
Poppy seeds, Morning Glory seeds, Datura - unless you know what you are doing, Stay the fuck away from them.
The Indians used to use it, but they'd regurgitate it to minimize the dangerous affects.
 
Poppy seeds, Morning Glory seeds, Datura - unless you know what you are doing, Stay the fuck away from them.
The Indians used to use it, but they'd regurgitate it to minimize the dangerous affects.
Totally different things. All of them. Two are psychedelic (ish) one is an opiate.

Also; source on the Indian thing. Never heard of it?
 
Also, since my last post where I started subs, I haven't had PST at all. Craved it hard for a bit, and it comes and goes, but dosed at 22mg a day seems to hold me, the cravings and my life has done a complete turn around.
 
Wow. I can't believe I've come so far. Reading back over this thread has shown me how much I can actually, well... Change! I thought I was done for to be honest, as I said my next step was heroin.

I'm 2 months off SUBOXONE and now on my second 300mg dose of Sublocade. Almost 7 months OFF PST, Kratom and all opiates/oids. The first 3 weeks of my sublocade journey almost had me back at the local indian grocery store, ready to stock up with their opium covered seeds. Thankfully my Dr. Prescribed a weeks worth of 2mg supplementary strips which knocked off the slight WD symptoms I was having (brain zaps being the main one).

Now, I feel fantastic. The real me is starting to make a return. I'm more energetic, more focused, and once again back to running a business that's doing pretty decently at the moment. I swear, if I didn't quit when I decided to, if I didn't come here, if I didn't reach out to HRVIC, and didn't start the program... I'd most likely not be here.
 
Hey, glad you're feeling better. I'm addicted to tea atm as well. About 1.5kg a day habit. I just ordered myself 20kg because this past week I've been without and withdrawals have been hell. I don't wanna do this shit anymore but my mental health was bad beforehand I tried to kill myself. The tea was good at first. It still kind of is. Idk what to do.
How have you been mate? Feel free to inbox.
 
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