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poppy seed tea - first time - underwhelming

I'm highly experienced with psychedelics, pot, dissociatives, and some stimulants (in extreme moderation), but have never had much luck with opiates. I've smoked opium (which I'm highly confident was real) a few times, and it's ranged from doing nothing at all to making me feel a little bit of enjoyable warmth and distance and then fall asleep. Several months ago, I also drank what I was told was laudanum (500mg opium dissolved in alcohol) and all it did was make me feel dissociated, irritable, and sleepy.

Still curious about what full-on opiate effects were like, I went to a natural foods store and bought poppy seeds in bulk - I wanted a full pound, but they only had .7lbs, so i figured I'd stick with that for the first time, since I didn't know their potency. I avoided grapefruit juice/other enzyme inhibitors for the same reason - I tend to be cautious when trying new substances, and wanted to get a sense of how the seeds on their own would affect me.

I put them in a juice bottle with about half a liter of room-temperature water and shook it on and off for about 20min. Then i squeezed the liquid out through the lid and added some lemon.

9:30pm: Started drinking the tea slowly. Pleasantly surprised to find that the taste was hardly bad at all - the lemon covered it well.

10:40pm: Finally finished the glass. I felt a little bit different, but the feeling was hard to characterize or distinguish from the remnants of the marijuana I'd smoked earlier in the day. I decided to smoke more pot to potentiate the high, but then I just felt stoned, so I poured more water into the seed bottle to make another batch. I got a phone call while I was shaking it, so I ended up just letting it sit around for about 30min with hardly any shaking to avoid making suspicious noise on the phone.

11:30pm: Started drinking the second batch, slowly. This one tasted worse than the first one - maybe it was more potent?

12am: i definitely feel something now, but it's not the warm fuzzy euphoria I was expecting (based on others' reports and extrapolations from my smoked opium experiences). My body felt strange and a little bit tingly, and I was finding it hard to concentrate on the webdesign work I'd planned to complete that night. I quickly downed the rest of the second cup of tea, figuring that I was starting to come up and that a little more might push me over the edge into a full-on high. I also ate a shitload of green tea ice cream because I had the munchies from the pot I'd smoked.

1am: my inability to concentrate intensifies. It doesn't feel like the distractability of amphetamines; instead, it reminds me of trying to complete a reading assignment for school while extremely tired. My eyes won't stay focused on anything (this reminds me of high-dose GHB) and i feel dazed and out of it, stupefied, like I'm having trouble holding onto coherent consciousness. Music sounded uninteresting and I didn't even really notice when I reached the end of my playlist. I felt 'fucked up' in a very generic and unpleasant way. I hoped my housemate didn't come home 'cause I didn't feel like I could interact with him well. I checked my pupils - they weren't pinpoints or anything, but were excessively constricted given the darkness of the room.

2am: I decide that I need to get up and move around to dredge myself out of my stupor, so attempt to work on a sewing project. As I got up, I suddenly got hit with a wave of nausea and ran to the bathroom and puked. I smoked more pot in an attempt to curb further nausea.

3am: Work on sewing for a bit. I felt less stupefied, but still not great - I feel like I'm a robot mechanically performing various tasks without active enjoyment. Still kind of numb and disconnected, but music starts to get a little more interesting...

3:45am: Sewing machine was fucking up, so I decided to go to bed. Unfortunately, I got nauseous again and tried to puke, but only dry heaved.

4am: I put on some minimalist electronic music and decided to do some nitrous before passing out. I did a single cartridge first and had a very cool nitrous trip - I felt more lucid and more physically grounded than normal (kind of like doing nitrous while on MDMA), a warm fuzzy euphoric buzz spread through my body, and I was able to analyze the thought-chain that unfolded for me with unusual clarity during the high.

I'd planned to do a double balloon after that, but I felt so sleepy and fuzzy that I just passed out instead.

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So I'm confused. I always figured that I'd like opiates if I could just get a high enough dose, but this time I dosed enough to make me puke and still didn't have much fun. I was numb, but not in a comfortable way. Only when I did the nitrous did I feel like I was in a state anything like the states that others seem to attain with opiates. Hmm...

I've heard that puking is fairly common and that some people don't enjoy their first experiences for that reason, but is it common to just feel deadened, blank, and unpleasantly dazed without a trace of euphoria?

I'm starting to think that I should just give up on opiates, that they aren't well-suited for me...but if any seasoned users have any advice about what I should've done differently (or have had similar early experiences and still gone on to love them), please let me know.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Poppy seed tea makes me feel numb and v-e-r-y s-l-o-w. That's (almost) all I can get. No feelings of enjoyment - so it's boring.
 
"I've heard that puking is fairly common and that some people don't enjoy their first experiences for that reason, but is it common to just feel deadened, blank, and unpleasantly dazed without a trace of euphoria?"
Yes it is...and not all people like opiates.. But i personally think that opiates are an aquired taste. You might not like them even the first 5-6 times you use them..It's a type of drug that REALLY grows on you over time...for many, to the point where you cant foresee yourself living without them.

Poppy seed tea is a tricky one. It's all about dosage. And with PST, the potency of seeds varies SO damn much from batch to batch...Keep in mind, just because there's a bunch of seeds in the same bin at the store, doesn't mean they are from the same batch. And just because you puke or got nausious, it doesnt necesarilly mean you got a strong enough dose to feel the positive "euphoric" effects you are seeking.

I personally think the body needs to adjust to opiates in general before you can really start to enjoy them, and not feel sick. When i first got into heroin, all it did was make me tired and sick...but now its pure euphoria and bliss.

If you're still interested, i'd say to try PST again, but next time get like 2lbs..if there isnt enough, then save what you bought until you have 2lbs. Drink half, then wait and judge the effects, and drink more if necessary.

You should also look into trying some opiate/opiod potentiators..some increase the strength of the opiates, some increase the duration or how long the high lasts. Some potentiators are:
*benadryl - this also helps with the itching.
*Tagamet - increases the duration of the high, as well as the potency. This is a very important one. It inhibits a certain enzyme in the liver that destroys a lot of the morphine when its working its way through the body..thus more morphine is processed through you, hence you get higher...(which is a good thing ;) ) White grapefruit juice will also do the trick if you cant get Tagamet for some reason. But tagamet is far superior.
*Immodium AD - the active ingredient "Loperamide" increases some of the physical effects of opiates, but will also increase constipation.
*DXM - from many cough syrups, etc. Robotussin cough gels are the best over the counter source..as there are no other active ingredients, and you dont have to drink that nasty syrup. It's a very effective potentiator.
*Dramamine - you want the kind that has 2 active ingredients, both which happen to be opiate potentiators. The 2 ingredients being Dimenhydrinate and Meclazine. This medicine will also help with the nausia.
*Phenergan - i dont think this is an over the counter (OTC) med, but its a pretty damn good potentiator. It's put in some of the opiod/ate cough syrups..epscially codiene. This stuff alone makes you feel pretty dreamy...though i wouldnt call it a recreational drug...a great potentiator for other downers though.
*Dimetapp - the active ingredient "DOXYLAMINE SUCCINATE" is another..you only want this though, dont bother getting any form of Dimetapp with other active ingredients, unless of course the other one happens to be dextromethorphan (DXM). You dont need to get Dimetapp, its just the first brand i think of that has this ingredient.
*Benzodiazapines - such as Xanax, Valium, Klonopin..etc Is probably the best potentiator by far, but also very dangerous if you are not careful with your dosages and/or dont know what you're doing. Start VERY LOW.
*Alcohol - another VERY STRONG potentiator. It affects the same area in the body as benzos...it's also quite dangerous when combining these..and SUPER FUCKING dangerous if you combine benzos and alcohol together...this combo can easily kill you...hell benzos and alcohol alone can easilly kill you. Dose very very low with this if you even consider risking your health/life to get more stoned.

I can't think of anything else right now. Other than the alcohol and benzos, you can take a low to medium dose of all those meds combined together along with your opiates, and it is still reletively safe...but very affective at increasing the overall effects of your opiates. I always make sure to at least use the Tagamet (cemetidine) and benadryl (diphenhydramine) as they are the most effective OTC potenators in my book...and like i said before the benadryl will help with the itchiness you will get if you get a strong dose of morphine/codiene/theibane going. <<3 main alkaloids present in the seeds.

Adding lemon juice into the water when washing the seeds will help get more morphine off them...So you want to use lemon before sqeezing out of the bottle.
You dont even need to use hot water.

Sorry if i sound repetative or if i mentioned obvious things you already know...i only skimmed over your post. Feel free to ask anything else, or to flame me for being a junky.
 
DexterMeth said:
"I've heard that puking is fairly common and that some people don't enjoy their first experiences for that reason, but is it common to just feel deadened, blank, and unpleasantly dazed without a trace of euphoria?"
Yes it is...and not all people like opiates.. But i personally think that opiates are an aquired taste. You might not like them even the first 5-6 times you use them..It's a type of drug that REALLY grows on you over time...for many, to the point where you cant foresee yourself living without them.

Poppy seed tea is a tricky one. It's all about dosage. And with PST, the potency of seeds varies SO damn much from batch to batch...Keep in mind, just because there's a bunch of seeds in the same bin at the store, doesn't mean they are from the same batch. And just because you puke or got nausious, it doesnt necesarilly mean you got a strong enough dose to feel the positive "euphoric" effects you are seeking.

I personally think the body needs to adjust to opiates in general before you can really start to enjoy them, and not feel sick. When i first got into heroin, all it did was make me tired and sick...but now its pure euphoria and bliss.

If you're still interested, i'd say to try PST again, but next time get like 2lbs..if there isnt enough, then save what you bought until you have 2lbs. Drink half, then wait and judge the effects, and drink more if necessary.

You should also look into trying some opiate/opiod potentiators..some increase the strength of the opiates, some increase the duration or how long the high lasts. Some potentiators are:
*benadryl - this also helps with the itching.
*Tagamet - increases the duration of the high, as well as the potency. This is a very important one. It inhibits a certain enzyme in the liver that destroys a lot of the morphine when its working its way through the body..thus more morphine is processed through you, hence you get higher...(which is a good thing ;) ) White grapefruit juice will also do the trick if you cant get Tagamet for some reason. But tagamet is far superior.
*Immodium AD - the active ingredient "Loperamide" increases some of the physical effects of opiates, but will also increase constipation.
*DXM - from many cough syrups, etc. Robotussin cough gels are the best over the counter source..as there are no other active ingredients, and you dont have to drink that nasty syrup. It's a very effective potentiator.
*Dramamine - you want the kind that has 2 active ingredients, both which happen to be opiate potentiators. The 2 ingredients being Dimenhydrinate and Meclazine. This medicine will also help with the nausia.
*Phenergan - i dont think this is an over the counter (OTC) med, but its a pretty damn good potentiator. It's put in some of the opiod/ate cough syrups..epscially codiene. This stuff alone makes you feel pretty dreamy...though i wouldnt call it a recreational drug...a great potentiator for other downers though.
*Dimetapp - the active ingredient "DOXYLAMINE SUCCINATE" is another..you only want this though, dont bother getting any form of Dimetapp with other active ingredients, unless of course the other one happens to be dextromethorphan (DXM). You dont need to get Dimetapp, its just the first brand i think of that has this ingredient.
*Benzodiazapines - such as Xanax, Valium, Klonopin..etc Is probably the best potentiator by far, but also very dangerous if you are not careful with your dosages and/or dont know what you're doing. Start VERY LOW.
*Alcohol - another VERY STRONG potentiator. It affects the same area in the body as benzos...it's also quite dangerous when combining these..and SUPER FUCKING dangerous if you combine benzos and alcohol together...this combo can easily kill you...hell benzos and alcohol alone can easilly kill you. Dose very very low with this if you even consider risking your health/life to get more stoned.

I can't think of anything else right now. Other than the alcohol and benzos, you can take a low to medium dose of all those meds combined together along with your opiates, and it is still reletively safe...but very affective at increasing the overall effects of your opiates. I always make sure to at least use the Tagamet (cemetidine) and benadryl (diphenhydramine) as they are the most effective OTC potenators in my book...and like i said before the benadryl will help with the itchiness you will get if you get a strong dose of morphine/codiene/theibane going. <<3 main alkaloids present in the seeds.

Adding lemon juice into the water when washing the seeds will help get more morphine off them...So you want to use lemon before sqeezing out of the bottle.
You dont even need to use hot water.

Sorry if i sound repetative or if i mentioned obvious things you already know...i only skimmed over your post. Feel free to ask anything else, or to flame me for being a junky.
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hmmm....

i know "tagament" acts as a potentiator for opiates, as you said, because it acts on an enzyme responsible for breaking down the morphine...

but wouldnt all those other things you mentioned just cause a "sinergy" with opiates?

i was under the impression that in order for a substance to "potentiate" another substance, it had to act on something, like an enzyme, that is responsible for the breakdown of the drug, causing stronger effects....

dont get me wrong, all those other things you mentioned will be good in combination with opiates, but do they actually potentiate the opiates? or do they just synergize with them?

like weed for example... it goes great with opiates, but it doesnt actually increase opiate absorption in any way, so it would "synergize" with opiates....

i could be wrong, i just want to clear up my understanding of these two words, "synergize" and "potentiate" ... in many other places on this forum, ive seen the word "potentiate" used in a situation where "sinergize" would be the appropriate word...

im not saying ur wrong, but could you explain why each of those substances are potentiators as opposed to synergizers?

peace
 
excellent post dextermeth, pretty much said what i would have
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^Not in them, but on them. This has been covered extensively. Seeds from the supermarket/healthfood store are usually unwashed and come straight off the poppies used to manufacture narcotics. If you do a "wash" of usually a pound or two (quite a LOT of poppy seeds, which you filter out) and drink the liquid you can get high. It is akin to poppy pod tea however in that you are getting tons of different alkaloids from the plant not just morphine, codeine, etc. and usually the thebaine gives it a very "speedy" edge to it and the hangover can be killer.
 
Yes it is...and not all people like opiates.. But i personally think that opiates are an aquired taste. You might not like them even the first 5-6 times you use them..
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I think you maybe correct. The first few times I did poppy seed tea I didn't really enjoy it. I knew it was having some effect on me just b/c of the strong itch alone. But I was not really enjoying the buzz. For some reason I kept at it though. And the last few time I've done it (pretty much same size dose) I've really enjoyed it. Or at least the amazing dreams it causes me to have.
 
Im not sure if all the other meds i mentioned synergize or potentiate. That's a very good question, one i hope someone with the knowledge on this topic can answer. I would say that benzos and alcohol definately are very nicely "synergistic" with opiates. The best by far...other than a speedball :)
 
Poppy pods aren't available in certain countries. The first time I tried poppy seed tea was by far the best. These days the stuff often makes me irritable or even angry, but it does make me energetic and produces strange dreams - sometimes very nice - if I can get into a decently relaxed state.
 
Good report, enjoyed reading it. I havent done taken any poppy seeds but I plan to in the near future. Have a feeling I know exactly what to expect :)
 
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