Opioids Poppy Pod Tea withdrawal

[sonic]

lol, yeah that about sums it up. No deferred payments on said loan either, unfortunately...

Have you considered Suboxone?

This person has been using suboxone for 3.5 weeks and you want them to go on suboxone already? I don't think they've been using for long enough. Maybe a 5 day suboxone detox is what you had in mind.. If so, yeah, that could work, but it's not much easier on you than coming off the pod tea.
OP: Tapering is the thing to do. It sounds like you're doing good reducing your dose. Do you have a previous opiate history? If not, chances are your withdrawal won't be TOO bad, but it's subjective.. everyone reacts differently.
I was able to use oxy for a month at a time and then stop without experiencing serious withdrawal a few times before I eventually really got hooked. Just remember, the withdrawal could much worse.

 

[garuda]

This person has been using suboxone for 3.5 weeks and you want them to go on suboxone already? I don't think they've been using for long enough. Maybe a 5 day suboxone detox is what you had in mind.. If so, yeah, that could work, but it's not much easier on you than coming off the pod tea.
OP: Tapering is the thing to do. It sounds like you're doing good reducing your dose. Do you have a previous opiate history? If not, chances are your withdrawal won't be TOO bad, but it's subjective.. everyone reacts differently.
I was able to use oxy for a month at a time and then stop without experiencing serious withdrawal a few times before I eventually really got hooked. Just remember, the withdrawal could much worse.

Yea using opiates 3 and a half weeks total out of your life, unless you intend or want to maintain, getting on suboxone is RIDICULOUS.

Honestly just taper a little and then quit with generic immodium(much cheaper then name brand loperamide) and some sleep aids at bedtime.

 

[blissfulthinking]

I see that this threat is pretty old..but the OP is still getting answered while new ?'s are arriving so I'll give my 2+

poppy pods, IMHO, carry the WORST w/d of any opiate. This is for a number of reasons. 1) this shit really, really fucks with your digestive system. So, take your regular opiate w/d stomach cramping, P'ing outta your A, and multiply the hell outta that shit. that is what you get from cold turkey. 2) When you eat the raw product of poppy you are getting every single natural opiate alkaloid. Someone more educated on the subject could give more accurate info, but I believe there are about 40+ alkaloids in natural poppy. Granted, most are useless, but what this means is your body is getting addicted to all of these alkaloids as opposed to just a single synthesized opiate like the morphine or codiene alkaloid. 3) they're so long lasting. that may sound like a good thing..but the shit builds in your system like resevoir and lets the demon catch you quick and unexpectedly.

For any people stumbling across wondering about pods- if you must get opiates, try your damndest to find something else. Or if you are quite the chemist, you might consider isolating the morphine from the pods. Shit, There's a reason why we've synthesized all these other opiates.. and that's to make them better. But I'm not advising that either, because it's illegal and you'll probably fuck it up.

I know tapers help, but it'll still be quite unpleasant. and Since it's such a long taper process, you're just as well off going cold turkey. it's either 1-2 weeks of total shittiness..or 2 months of less shittiness...pick your poison.

 

[dorkchop]

i just want to follow up in case anyone is reading this for information about tapering from PPT -- that's how I found this thread.

Anyway, I am only on day 4 and I feel almost normal. I almost can't believe it. I have read a lot of conflicting information about how long it takes for the acute WD's from PPT to end.

My tapering schedule was in my previous post. Besides tapering as low as i possibly could, what helped me is:

Immodium (generic)

smoothies made of: frozen strawberries, banana, odwalla superfood, soy milk, soy protien powder

multivitamins

emergen-c drinks

LOTS of water. omg i was so dehydrated and thirsty

then melatonin at bedtime. i took 9mg to start, then 6mg each half hour til i slept.

i also cheated and had a few slugs of whiskey at bedtime as well, although that's probably not reccommended.

I found i did NOT like benadryl. all it did was maked me feel even more anxiety and drugged. i felt like i was coming down off bad acid.

also i tried nyquil for sleep and it did not work at all. melatonin did the trick perfectly. around 10pm i took a bath, got all cozy in bed, put a movie in, took melatonin each half hour and then i fell asleep with the movie on. woke up in the middle of the night, turned the TV off, and slept til 7. woke up feeling even better.

anyway i just hope this helps anyone doing a PPT taper. I have been researching like hell because i was nervous about how long it would last, etc. Just wanted to share my experiences.

 

[garuda]

poppy pods, IMHO, carry the WORST w/d of any opiate.

Thats not true, the WDs are lengthy but fairly subdued. The diarrhea just goes on and on also. But if you have never seen someone WD cold turkey from fentynal you have never seen WD, all the misery of pods two weeks packed into 3 days.

 

[blissfulthinking]

Thats not true, the WDs are lengthy but fairly subdued. The diarrhea just goes on and on also. But if you have never seen someone WD cold turkey from fentynal you have never seen WD, all the misery of pods two weeks packed into 3 days.

you are right when comparing to fentynal, or main-lining habits. And I know wd can be a little different depending on the person, which is why i included IMHO. but the severe ongoing diarrhea and stomach crampings that left me in the fetal position for most of the days..and one wasn't even doing that much...maybe 5 reg. pods a day for two months. One has been through much more lengthy and abusive oxycodone relationships and it just never compared to that. Who knows could've been shitty or contaminated pods..which is another thing you have to worry about.

 

[OverDriven]

Thats not true, the WDs are lengthy but fairly subdued. The diarrhea just goes on and on also. But if you have never seen someone WD cold turkey from fentynal you have never seen WD, all the misery of pods two weeks packed into 3 days.

You just can't make a statement like that. It depends on how much you were on and how long. The one most unique aspect of pod withdrawal IMO is the depression. All the other effects suck, but the depression is unlike any other opiate withdrawal. And yes, you get depression from other opiate withdrawals, but for some reason pods create a depression so intense that it will make you think about killing yourself. Everything becomes hopeless in your mind. Life seems pointless. For me, this really caught me off guard. I'm actually a very happy person normally, and I have a lot going for me in life. I have absolutely no reason to feel suicidal, but pod withdrawal brought me there.

My point is that every opiate has a slightly different withdrawal. Some are short and intense, some are long and drawn out, some are more physical and some are more mental. None are really worse than others. The overall intensity just depends on your dose and how long you've been taking it.

And I assure you...real pod withdrawals are not "subdued".

 

[Bojangles69]

Yep Overdriven has the facts straight.

I've withdrawn from a lot of difference opiates after long durations and high doses each day.

But poppy tea was the WORST withdrawals in the world. I was doing maybe around 80 a day (buying wholesale so it was cheaper) for 3 years.
I tried about 4 times by myself and couldnt figure out why I was able to do it myself with every other opiate Ive ever taken.

EVEN AFTER admitting myself to a detox and being on 6 different meds for wds.
I was vomiting, shaking, sweating, PAIN EVERYWHERE, depressed, anxious, skin crawls, heart racing/palpitations (I would frequently tell doctors I thought I was going into cardiac arrest).
Doctors had me on SO MUCH SHIT just to keep my blood pressure down and it STILL was avg 200/160
That is extremely high encase anyone knows, above stage 2 hypertension.

Kickn feet all night, no sleep but wanting to sleep all the time, worst experience Ive ever been through. Pods withdrawls are in now way subdued, that has to be coming from someone who never had any real experience with them.

 

[eon_blue]

^^80 pods a day?? jesus christ man I assume they weren't the tiny ones either?

at the height of my pod dependency a couple years ago, I would have to do 20"xl" pods to feel anything, and I could usually get away with dosing every other day.

80 per day is nuts, I'll bet that w/d sucked. Congrats on still being alive though, lol. :D

 

[dorkchop]

You just can't make a statement like that. It depends on how much you were on and how long. The one most unique aspect of pod withdrawal IMO is the depression. All the other effects suck, but the depression is unlike any other opiate withdrawal. And yes, you get depression from other opiate withdrawals, but for some reason pods create a depression so intense that it will make you think about killing yourself. Everything becomes hopeless in your mind. Life seems pointless. For me, this really caught me off guard. I'm actually a very happy person normally, and I have a lot going for me in life. I have absolutely no reason to feel suicidal, but pod withdrawal brought me there.

My point is that every opiate has a slightly different withdrawal. Some are short and intense, some are long and drawn out, some are more physical and some are more mental. None are really worse than others. The overall intensity just depends on your dose and how long you've been taking it.

And I assure you...real pod withdrawals are not "subdued".

Well this just goes to show how much different WDs are for everyone...how subjective it all can be: I just woke up on day 5, feeling like a million bucks. It is like the opposite of depression for me. i am so happy to be free. i can travel now without bringing a nalgene bottle in a cooler filled with my "health drink"(easy lie). I am now free of a $600 / month "bill" (that's how much i was spending on poppies for the past 9 months).

srsly I was on pods daily for 9 months, up to 40 / day; 20 morning and 20 evening. I tapered by 1 pod per dose, per day, "stalling" a few times, and especially at the end. i was at 1 pod per dose, 2x day, for 5 days. when i jumped, i felt shitty for 2 days, but still slept. day 3 was better already. day 4 (yesterday) i felt normal. went out swimming, then to dinner and dancing with my omg wtf hot girlfriend. woke up a little too early this morning (she's still asleep) but still...after kicking H CT and not sleeping for 10 days, this was like almost nothing.

I really want to share this because I have read so much conflicting info about WDing off of poppies. I was worried that i'd be "out" for weeks, etc. maybe i just willed myself through it, but either way -- that's how it has been for me.

 

[OverDriven]

^^80 pods a day?? jesus christ man I assume they weren't the tiny ones either?

at the height of my pod dependency a couple years ago, I would have to do 20"xl" pods to feel anything, and I could usually get away with dosing every other day.

80 per day is nuts, I'll bet that w/d sucked. Congrats on still being alive though, lol. :D

80 per day is crazy, but there are all strengths of pods out there. I've had some where 10 would do basically nothing, and others where 1 could completely fuck someone with no tolerance. There are very few quality pod vendors I've found out there in my 3 years of experience with pods. Most of the ebay ones are complete crap. For good pods, I would say that one pod is equal to 10-15mg of oxy. I only maintain on 2-3 pods a day right now, and I can't even really feel 45mg of oxy.

 

[DragonRider97]

I'm on day five of Pod withdrawl, I tapered back my usage to half of my usual dose (35 pods a day for the last couple of years), then I dropped it cold turkey.

Let me tell it straight up, I would rather withdraw from Alcohol, Benzo's, or almost any other opiate than Pods. The problem is the number of psycoactive alkaloids in pods, so you aren't just withdrawing from Morophine, you have Coedine, Paparavine, Thebain, and tons of other alkaloids to get by.

Here have been my symptoms so far:
Dysentary (Oh my God, you can't imagine the dysentary)
RLS, Restless leg syndrom.
Chills, fevers
Sweats, and goose flesh
Overly sensative to Smells
Watery eyes, sneezing like a MTF
throwing up in the first couple of days.

Poppy tea is the fucking devil, the Dragon, and Lucifer all rolled into one. This all started for me with a horseback accident where I flipped a horse ENDO and had a pne point landing on my head, rupturing a disk in my neck. The doctors started me on Hyco, then after six months, they cut me off, and I was still in a lot of pain, so I found the only legal alternative I could and I went with it. That was a big mistake, I didn't research it enough to know that I would have no libido, crave suger, and gain fifty pounds over a three year period. I'm not looking forward to more withdrawls, but I do think that I see light at the end of the Tunnel (Hoping it aint a train)

The important thing is to stave off the Cravings, that way maddness lies...But hey, I'm fourteen years sober in AA so I just went back to what I knew in order to quit. I love my AA group, they are some of the mosti inspiring people. Love you guys too, and while AA might not work for everyone, every group is so different now days, and you can always take what you need and leave the bullshit behind...

Peace and Love to all...

 

[doppelganga196]

This is all quite scary shit really: i've taken pod T many times instead of the codeine i'm prescribed. Yes it's very strong & it's long effects is what's so appealing to me.

Recently i made some strong T the night before a train journey, then that night i had some pharmaceutical morphine (only 40 mg) The day after i went around london on the underground etc & was SUFFERING! My legs felt like i'd injured them doing a bad stretch, my neck felt like wood & i was terrified i'd fart shit into my shorts.

I swore off the stuff for a few days then since then i've had another 3 binges, now i'm reading horror stories to try & put me off using again...

 

[ArtVandalay]

^

Quit while you can, pod tea wd is nothing to fuck with. The above posts are very accurate. The restless legs, diarrea, watery eyes, fatigue, severe depression, hopelessness, sweats, chills. The overwhelming horniness is odd too and extremely fast ejaculation, like without being fully erect. It's a beast.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Yes the acute withdrawals are god awful. I was stuck on it for 2 years and spent many days in withdrawal, but it was only to lower tolerance and get high again.

In order for me to quit, I had to take a week off from work and use moderate amounts of benzos to keep myself sane. When I returned to work I ran out of benzos and I was still feeling bad until the 14 day mark. From there on out it's been a slow recovery but I feel largely myself now. Sadly relapse is only right around the corner. At least I'm going to break my sobriety record and make it 50 days clean by Tuesday

 

[Naggers]

Sorry to add very little to the thread, but I have a quick question regarding PPT addiction.

I've been wanting to try pods for a few months now. I've been doing codeine once or twice a week for around 5/6 months. There have been times when I felt addicted, like I needed the stuff; but for the pas couple of months I've not felt the need to do it at all. I've just finished a 3 week break from it, and I didn't even feel the need to dose... I was just bored.

I ordered some pods on Friday. My question is, is it possible to space out your doses with pod tea in a similar way and avoid addiction (to a certain extent) and withdrawal? My friend is an ex heroin addict and he said the stuff had a hold on him from the first time he tried it. I realise everyone is different... but I know PPT, containing a cocktail of alkaloids is a lot stronger than codeine, so I'm worried that addiction will hit me straight away and I won't be able to control myself in the same way as I've done for the past half a year.

I've spent £40 on these pods so it's pointless denying I'm going to try them anyway , but if you could post your experiences or any answers you may have to my question that would help a lot

 

[QuasiStoned]

I'll try to help. First of all, know that playing around with pods you are playing with fire. No joke man, I was hooked for 2 years. I know where this road goes (if you stay on it long enough) and it's straight to misery.

The remarkable thing about poppy is the duration. In the beginning, it's a blessing. My first experience I dosed at night and woke up the next day high as a kite. The problem is that with a 48 hour duration, even if you are using 2 - 3 times a week it's very easy for minor withdrawal symptoms to start to appear. It might not happen right away, but I assure you that it can.

If you have a tendency to binge and put off your suffering until later (that was me ) then you will probably run into issues pretty quick. I was hooked from my first box of pods. I had been a daily user of kratom before that and had experienced brief and minor withdrawals, but the jump to pods was an undeniable type of suffering that I wasn't prepared for. After 10 days of regular use, when I stopped I had insomnia, a feeling of terror/horror, diarrhea, sweating, increased sensitivity to my chronic pain, and even more. I ordered more pods a few days later because I couldn't stand the insomnia. When they arrived I QUICKLY made more tea and felt sweet relief wash over me. I was addicted and the days turned into months, and the months into years. Looking back it wasn't nearly as much fun as I thought it was and I wish I had stopped a whole lot sooner.

The key is to use infrequently, once a week at most. I would try to avoid that if possible. The more you push it the greater the chances of getting sucked in and putting your life and personal growth at a standstill.

Now, even with all of the negative things I said about my time spent addicted, I still want to use. I have more pods ordered and I can't wait to feel the high again that I chased for so long (and so rarely obtained, especially during the last couple of months of my addiction). I plan to keep my use responsible this time, but I'm aware of the failure rate in being able to do so. Only time will tell if I can keep it together.

Tread carefully and try to avoid dosing any more often than maybe 3 or 4 days apart. And note that if you develop a rigid schedule f using every 3 or 4 days you will still likely run into problems over time. Good luck man.

 

[Naggers]

Cheers man, helps a lot. Good luck with your attempt at responisble use If anyone else would be kind enough to post about their experiences with pods I'm gonna be checking this thread daily! Another quick question:

How much functionality do you retain when you're high on pods? With codeine I can pretty much go to work, go out and be sociable, and to a certain extend drive whilst I'm high as I have pretty much full concentration but just feel awesome and warm and all the good bits of codeine. The only tell tale signs are the pupils, but uninformed people don't tend to associate small pupils with drugs use, and only look for the dinner plates. So were you able to go about your daily life on pods? Go to work etc?

Edit: Another question I've just remembered... why do we use only warm water to extract the alkaloids? Would cold water not work better for extracting codeine? i.e. Do a wash with warm water and then a wash with cold and add the remaining solutions together?

Cheers

 

[QuasiStoned]

How much functionality do you retain when you're high on pods? With codeine I can pretty much go to work, go out and be sociable, and to a certain extend drive whilst I'm high as I have pretty much full concentration but just feel awesome and warm and all the good bits of codeine. The only tell tale signs are the pupils, but uninformed people don't tend to associate small pupils with drugs use, and only look for the dinner plates. So were you able to go about your daily life on pods? Go to work etc?

Sorry I'm the only response you're getting, lol. The truth is that your level of functionality is highly dependent upon your dosage. If you take a low to medium dose, I'd say you will maintain complete functionality. In high doses, you might find yourself nodding off at less than ideal times.

I don't condone this, but I can remember at least a few occasions where I was driving high off my ass on pods and weed. I had a difficult time keeping my eyes open, and though I never crashed, it certainly seems that I could have. I would recommend that until you figure out your dose don't drive. And if you're nodding, definitely stay off the road. I'm lucky I didn't kill someone.

 

[Naggers]

Yeah I won't be attempting anything like that 'til I've had a few attempts at home and I know how it'll affect me. Probably won't risk it at all; I only drive on codeine because I know I can do it without risking anyone - never been nodding that hard on codeine, but from the sounds of it pods are gonna be stronger... and I know it's not something to take lightly.

Anyhoo, thanks again for replying. Gonna keep checking back if anyone wants to add anything/post their experiences? Threadjacking!