Popping pills is like playing Russian roulette with your life

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Popping pills is like playing Russian roulette with your life
Matthew Fynes-Clinton
March 30, 2009
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25266092-952,00.html

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ON the street, two pills each bearing an omega symbol are marketed as the illicit drug ecstasy. But one is an impostor and far more likely to be lethal.
PMA (paramethoxyamphetamine) has been responsible for killing 10 young Australians in the past decade.

It is produced when one of the ingredients used to synthesise ecstasy becomes scarce and a more commonly available chemical is swapped.

With superior toxicity to ecstasy - or MDMA (methylenedioxymeth-amphetamine) - just 50mg of the compound can lead to sudden death. All it takes is slightly more than one PMA pill.

Both omega tablets were captured in police operations and sent for analysis to Queensland Health Forensic and Scientific Services.

Their similar appearance underscores the substitution racket turning ecstasy use into an increasingly hazardous affair.

Popular culture logos, stamped by backyard pill presses, are copied regularly and do not indicate any particular substance.

In this case, the ecstasy pill also was found to contain traces of MDA - MDMA'S more toxic and hallucinogenic cousin.

Today, The Courier-Mail can reveal a range of bogus contents purporting to be ecstasy after securing the release of screening results from pills and capsules seized over the past year.

LSD was the sole active ingredient in some pills.

Others were composed entirely of the anabolic steroid methandienone.

Uncovered constituents included methamphetamine (speed), the veterinary anaesthetic ketamine, the tranquilliser diazepam, the analgesic tramadol, the anxiety disorder treatment alprazolam - and oxycodone, an opioid almost as powerful as morphine.

Despite a street price of $25 to $40 a pill, some "eccies" were also found to contain only caffeine. Sometimes no drugs were present.

Detective Acting Inspector Kerry Johnson, of the State Drug Squad, said "arsenic, strychnine and Ratsak" had been identified in street pills before.

"It's Russian roulette," he said.
 
Does anybody else feel like Australia's drug coverage in the media is even dumber than Britain's or America? I swear, out of all the inanely stupid shit that I read from those two countries, Australia always seems to take the cake. Sure, PMA is deadly, but it's no that common, and the fact that only 10 Australians have died from it in the past decade is a testament to this fact. Hundreds of times more people have been killed by kitchen appliances.

MDA is not more toxic than MDMA, I'm sick of hearing that, it's amazing, it's like someone just pulled it out of his ass one day and everyone else just took it for granted without spending 5 minutes looking it up. You're supposed to be a fucking journalist for christ sakes. Pills are not laced with anabolic steroids and they cannot be laced with LSD. And none of this would even be a problem in the first place if the pills were legal and you could buy them at the liquor store, so fuck off.

Yeah, it's like Russian roulette if you're using a revolver with 100 million chambers.
 
I actually don't doubt them. LSD has been sold in pills before, so it can certainly happen again. I haven't looked at the exchange rate, but I've never paid more than 10USD / tab, usually paid 5-7USD/tab and have never even seen them being sold for more than 15/tab.

Why people think LSD "can't" be put into pills is beyond me. There's absolutely no logic behind it

MDA is not more toxic than MDMA, I'm sick of hearing that, it's amazing, it's like someone just pulled it out of his ass one day and everyone else just took it for granted without spending 5 minutes looking it up. You're supposed to be a fucking journalist for christ sakes. Pills are not laced with anabolic steroids and they cannot be laced with LSD. And none of this would even be a problem in the first place if the pills were legal and you could buy them at the liquor store, so fuck off.
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MDA *is* more neurotoxic than MDMA. There's substantial research on this subject. If I remember correctly, it's because MDA produces more alpha-methyldopamine, which is then metabolized into various conjugates, which are potent serotonergic neurotoxins. Also, given MDA's much stronger dopaminergic qualities, it's extremely difficult to imagine how it woudn't be. Dopaminergics result in lots of oxidative stress, and the stronger dopaminergic (DARIs and DA releasers- not D1/2 agonists here) will almost always be more neurotoxic. Selegiline does a lot to prevent dopamine-mediated neurotoxicity- the same type seen with methamphetamine and cocaine- by reducing or eliminating the oxidative stress they cause.

There's lots of research on the subject.
 
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trainwreckmolly said:
LSD was the sole active ingredient in some pills.

Others were composed entirely of the anabolic steroid methandienone.

Uncovered constituents included methamphetamine (speed), the veterinary anaesthetic ketamine, the tranquilliser diazepam, the analgesic tramadol, the anxiety disorder treatment alprazolam - and oxycodone, an opioid almost as powerful as morphine.

Despite a street price of $25 to $40 a pill, some "eccies" were also found to contain only caffeine. Sometimes no drugs were present.

Detective Acting Inspector Kerry Johnson, of the State Drug Squad, said "arsenic, strychnine and Ratsak" had been identified in street pills before.

"It's Russian roulette," he said.
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Rofl... simply Rofl
 
Why people think LSD "can't" be put into pills is beyond me. There's absolutely no logic behind it
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Because LSD is extremely rare and hard to make. It requires the skills of a graduate level chemist not to poison yourself in the procedure.

LSD also costs more than E, why anyone would put LSD or Mescaline in E is beyond me.
 
Tenchi said:
Of course it was. 8)
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well, there are actually quite a bit of reported cases of pills with LSD as the only active ingredient, remember the microdots?
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uh huuuhhhh...... Do microdots look ANYTHING like any supposed mdma pill you've come across? lol microdots are supposed to be lsd =p

But to the early responder... I've gotta agree.. the ausie media really does seem particularly retarded when it comes to covering drugs lol it's like they are just now hitting our reefer madness phase.


Still, this article is a lot closer to home base than most of the bull shit out there. We can only hope that one day they will go that extra step and point out that the cause of all these bad pills is prohibition and an unregulated market... *cough*... but for now lets just be happy that they are leaning towards harm reduction, wether they know it or not.


=p gotta love how they make it sound like a horrible thing to have a touch of mda in your pill along with the mdma though haha



annnnd then they completely drop the ball at the end with the age old strychnine myth... *sigh* my DAD told me his version of the strychnine myth, he thought it was in the cores of peyote buttons lol
 
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I think they are talking about a batch of pills that went around called bermuda triangles that under GSMS tested as LSD. I wouldn't say PMA is too rare in Aus. LSD is cheaper then xtc in Aus.

Bermuda triangles-LSD
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=2258784&postcount=37

2007-DG-PMA
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/new...d-coast-ecstacy/2007/08/21/1187462259316.html

2007-Omega-PMA
http://www.pillreports.com/?page=pma_warning

2008-PMA
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/alarm-raised-on-death-drug/421095.aspx

LSD in pills although rare does happen, PMA does come around as well.
 
Hammilton is right about MDA. It is a much heavier-duty, thermogenic drug than MDMA. 75 to 100 mg MDA feels about as toxic as 250 to 350 mg MDMA to me. MDA is more profound than pleasurable. It is not the dance drug that MDMA is, in fact it's hard to do much but sit back and stay still, and it lasts a solid +10 hours, with after effects perceptible for days afterwards.

And yes, microdots did contain LSD, though those pills were too small to be mistaken for a legitimate MDMA pill. At the time, everyone who didn't read the Microgram genuinely believed they were mescaline. However, I did used to know a guy from Tennessee who once capped 100 mg MDMA powder into gelcaps and then dropped one drop of liquid (aqueous) LSD on top of the powder. Satisfied?
 
Xellent70 said:
Because LSD is extremely rare and hard to make. It requires the skills of a graduate level chemist not to poison yourself in the procedure.

LSD also costs more than E, why anyone would put LSD or Mescaline in E is beyond me.
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No, LSD does not cost more than MDMA. I've never seen LSD sold for more than 15/tab and most of the time it's been in the 5-7USD range. On the other hand, I've seen E pills going for anywhere from 20 to 40USD. I agree, it's insane for MDMA (or rather, purported MDMA- unless you've got a really kind dealer, you won't be testing before buying!) to cost more than LSD, but that's how it is.

LSD is not as rare as people seem to think. It's not common, but it is still being made, all over the world. Today most of the enforcement is focusing on MDMA and the like, LSD is not generating half the buzz. And while some of what is sold as LSD is actually a DOx (or possibly a dragonfly compound now) compund, LSD is being confirmed frequently.

It'll continue to be made for a long time. We're seeing occasional RC vendors selling LSD analogues, which is really amazing, but LSD will be around as long as their's a demand for it. And there will be.

There's no reason LSD can't be in a pill form, and as recent reports are showing, it is. It makes sense, if you can sell a dose as MDMA for 2-3x what you could get for LSD, you might as well.

Monetary wise- obviously it's a cruel thing to do to unsuspecting people.
 
popping pills given to you by a doctor could kill you too. but that's ok because it isn't illegal. :|
 
"playing Russian roulette with your life"

8)

did anyone else catch this?
 
LSD MIGHT have shown up in some pills, but is essentially a pointless endeavour. LSD degrades a lot easier than MDMA so you would have to be storing them pills real well for them not to degrade. Diazepam, xanax, oxycodone, strychnine and arsenic eh? BULLSHIT. Honestly whats the fucking point in any of that? Especially the strychnine and arsenic, I will grant a lot of pill dealers are ignorant and stupid, the people pressing pills? I don't fucking think so.
The question of MDMA versus MDA toxicity, yes MDA is slightly more toxic but the way they state it is a pretty misleading comment imho, even if not completely false.
Doses of "just over one pill of PMA", how do they figure that? On one hand they spout the absolute smorgisboard of nasties that can be put in a pill but disregard the fact that the amount of any of those given substances in a pill can vary. LMFAO.
PMA has killed an average of 1 person a year for the last decade, OH NO, it is certain death. What kind of fucking obscure figure is that? They want to liken pills to playing russian roulette, hows about you liken being a smoker or a heavy user of alcohol to actual roulette, where you put your life on a single number and any other number coming up spells death? (Maybe a little extreme but I am sure you all get my point.)
Even still, the most absurd thing about all this misinformation, is these jackasses see it as reporting how bad drugs are, rather than portraying how bad prohibition is, these "ecstasy contains this and that and dont forget strychnine" articles never fail to amuse and outrage me.
 
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