Opioids poppies, what went wrong?

[NagasakiNightmare]

just made a tea with 7 grounded up poppies and lime (they were picked fresh, then frozen) + stems , hardly any tolerance except to the same poppies and drank that. then I did drank the second wash. Then I got some baking soda because I read that a base might be better than an acid. I simmered the solution with baking soda plus included some grounds I used before (had been soaked twice a few days ago) and drank two washes of that.

It's just been giving me a subtle stoned feeling with pressure in my head. Not much opiate euphoria, though there is a bit of "mellowness". Definitely not what I had before with dried pods. I've tried these fresh ones a bit before. What could be wrong? I know they're the right kind of pods, they're a bit small, a few were like golf balls almost.

 

[SirTophamHat]

What temp water did you use? Morphine breaks down at 80c, which is before water begins to steam. A slow steep is good, although I've had nice results with 'cooking' it for as little as ~20-25 minutes. Sounds like you just need a few more pods. I wouldn't worry about the acid/base stuff, I think acid speeds up the absorption and bases slow it down but I could be wrong. It's fine with a little honey or even plain as long as it's strained.

 

[NagasakiNightmare]

for most batches I have this electric tea pot which stops once it starts boiling, and i'd let it steep with that water in a french press and press it 15-20 minutes later, stirring every 5 minutes. not so great. just light heady feeling. not intense.

i've been stepping up the dosages slowly since there, generally using the same method. but today I threw everything in a pot of bubbling water and let it simmer, where it would let out a lot of steam. I tried not to go too much hotter than that. at least 80 degree C, but not sure how long i kept it at that temperature. i just thought more heat could destroy the morphine. but what do you mean 'breaks down'? is that what I want? also, when I did it this way, the tea came out a lot darker and browner. probably more plant matter in the tea.

 

[QuasiStoned]

^^^
One of the unfortunate things about pods is that the potency varies from pod to pod. I remember times where I expected to get absolutely floored from a given dose and would just get a slight high and feel sick within 24 hours (although the sickness was opiate withdrawal because I was dependent). You probably just had the misfortune of stumbling across some weaker pods than usual.

 

[NagasakiNightmare]

also, did i note that these were fresh pods? with 2 inches of stem on them. they were still green, i just had them in the freezer to preserve them. so there's nothing i could have done wrong? i've actually never gotten a worthy body high from any of these fresh pods

 

[hydrobliss]

NEVER BOIL

you want to use warmish water... not hot

you are breaking down your morphine with boiling water rendering it shit... dont use hot water anymore and you will notice a huge difference

 

[NagasakiNightmare]

read my post man, I only tried simmering once and it was hardly a boil. every other time has just been teapot water.

 

[hydrobliss]

read my post man, I only tried simmering once and it was hardly a boil. every other time has just been teapot water.

That is what im telling you tho.. this "teapot water" is far to hot for poppies

80 degreesF is the vaping point for morphine

that isnt that hot... water starts steaming at around 85F... so if the water is even steaming a little bit it is TOO HOT and you are destroying your drugs.

what you want is barely warm, luke warm water. I have even used coldish water and gotten good results.

The term "tea" is misleading.. because tea is generally hot. Poppy tea isnt hot ever. its cold or luke warm at the hotest.



Not meaning to be a dick.. just hate to see you wasting your drugs.

 

[onmyway]

i think you should leave out the baking soda. a basic solution will not pick up as much morphine.

 

[DustnRoses]

I know this question has been asked hundreds of times, and there's really no point in asking other than getting some peace of mind, but how many days does one have to use pod tea consecutively before he will feel withdrawal when stopping? Is 4 days in a row enough to feel withdrawal, when the individual only uses on the weekends? Like typically, just Friday, Saturday, maybe Sunday morning...but with this 3 day weekend for the 4th of July, Monday was utilized as a pod day as well. Is there anything to worry about, withdrawal wise?

 

[Naggers]

Something Ive always wondered about pod tea: Which alkaloids are extracted with the "warm" water? More of the codeine would be extracted using cold water, right? Or do we not care about the codeine?

 

[doppelganga196]

It's a shame to see u had no luck. QuasiStoned was correct: you've simply come across some low potency poppys. I've had this trouble & have used 20-40 pods with medium strength results. I do not advise you to use that many myself. It's your call.

Also Nagasaki, forget all this baking soda nonsense, you don't need it. Use a few more pods & throw in some lemon juice. It's good clean atavistic alchemy & it works for me & thousands of others.

 

[Bojangles69]

Yeh to be honest a complete idiot can make tea right and not really pay much attention to it.

And for the person saying steaming water degrades the drug thats bullshit. Morphine does not "vap" at 80F of all things. 80F is fairly close to room temperature. Water starts to steam around 200F and boils at 212 if you wanna be scientifically correct.
What WILL happen is if you boil if for a long period of time its a slow reaction and the alkaloids breakdown SLOWLY. Even when a tiny bit of liquid water reaches freezing air it takes a LOONG time for that water to react and freeze to the temperature.

Degradation reactions at a low temp like that occur extremely slow. I also know methamphetamine is one of the most unstable drugs/molecules out there and I consistently use to boil it down and have it not lose any potency. Morphine salts are likely to be a lot more stable without the amine molecule.

But I've made pods a thousand different ways over the years and I always first boil it, than add the powder to the liquid AFTER shutting off the stove. I do this so the powders not just sitting there boiling endlessly.
I've also done it with cold water on the rush a thousand times and never noticed a difference once in potency.

The thing with pods is when you are a newbie to them you wind up using different suppliers and getting all sorts of different product. You never really get to learn who has the consistent "ok" stuff. But after a few months of everyday trust me when I say you'll figure that aspect out. After a couple years you become a professional.

You DID in fact just get weak pods if you did it the same exact way as last time but last time was stronger. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
And people really need to stop throwing bullshit facts out there if they have no idea what they're talking about.

"morphine vap at 80F" what a complete load of crap. Theres no way any morphines breaking down under even 180-190F.

 

[dokomo]

Yeh to be honest a complete idiot can make tea right and not really pay much attention to it.

And for the person saying steaming water degrades the drug thats bullshit. Morphine does not "vap" at 80F of all things. 80F is fairly close to room temperature. Water starts to steam around 200F and boils at 212 if you wanna be scientifically correct.
What WILL happen is if you boil if for a long period of time its a slow reaction and the alkaloids breakdown SLOWLY. Even when a tiny bit of liquid water reaches freezing air it takes a LOONG time for that water to react and freeze to the temperature.

Degradation reactions at a low temp like that occur extremely slow. I also know methamphetamine is one of the most unstable drugs/molecules out there and I consistently use to boil it down and have it not lose any potency. Morphine salts are likely to be a lot more stable without the amine molecule.

But I've made pods a thousand different ways over the years and I always first boil it, than add the powder to the liquid AFTER shutting off the stove. I do this so the powders not just sitting there boiling endlessly.
I've also done it with cold water on the rush a thousand times and never noticed a difference once in potency.

The thing with pods is when you are a newbie to them you wind up using different suppliers and getting all sorts of different product. You never really get to learn who has the consistent "ok" stuff. But after a few months of everyday trust me when I say you'll figure that aspect out. After a couple years you become a professional.

You DID in fact just get weak pods if you did it the same exact way as last time but last time was stronger. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
And people really need to stop throwing bullshit facts out there if they have no idea what they're talking about.

"morphine vap at 80F" what a complete load of crap. Theres no way any morphines breaking down under even 180-190F.

I think it's pretty clear that he meant 80C not 80F. Just a typo.

 

[Slothrop]

to be honest I have NEVER gotten a glow from tea but I tried when I already had a toler. I believe the somniverum (sp?) poppy varies qreatly in potency and you prob just got some weak pods

 

[NagasakiNightmare]

does it matter that my pods are fresh (green) and that i'm going about it the same way i would with dried pods? i guess not

 

[Bojangles69]

I think it's pretty clear that he meant 80C not 80F. Just a typo.

When what you're saying makes absolutely no sense it couldn't be any farther from "clear" imo.

Did I have a feeling he may have meant celsius? Yes.
Why didn't I respond to it that way?

Because even if he DID mean celsius, it still makes NO SENSE at all. I'm curious how you knew what temperature he was refering to, when what he said as a whole is 100% bullshit either way (F or C)?

He's not even remotely close to the vaping point of morphine number 1, and number 2 that statement both ways (according to whats clear to you and what he said originally) means that morphine (a solid) somehow "boils" out of water before the water itself even begins to boil? If water boils at 212F, and hes refering to 80C or 178F either way his statement is impossible for 2 simple scientific reasons.

I'd be more likely to give him some leeway if he made 1 simple mistake that was closer to the actual truth. But he came in here talking temperature and vaping points not having a single clue wtf he was talking about.

Thats why it was not clear to me. And its still not clear to me what the hell he was trying to say because even with celsius it makes no sense.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Spot on Bojangles and Dokomo... I'm really glad you guys corrected hydrobliss' misinformation.

It amazes me how people treat information and theories as absolute fact when there is sufficient contradictory evidence from certainly better sources then wherever they derived their information.

Hydrobliss, where did you get all that poppycock from anyway?

 

[QuasiStoned]

Yeah I gotta agree with Bo on this one.... I let my poppy tea boil many times and it didn't destroy my tea in the least. I developed a general method over time but in the beginning I was erratic and it never affected the outcome to any noticeable degree. I think you would have to boil for a long time to dramatically reduce the potency.