Poly drug use and cycling to minimize dependency & tolerance risk - In other words this idiot's addicted to being high

[placebonaut]

I had a chart like that in like the 9th grade -- it was pretty lofty. looked something like

Pot - Daily
Ritalin/speed - Monday
Tues - Benzo's
Wed -- Muscle relaxers
- Thursday - Alcohol
Friday - Mushrooms/tripping
saturday - cocaine
Sunday is the sabboth -- so whatever I feel like I would enjoy most. (MDMA is what was wrote down I believe)

Being an adult that simply isnt sourceable/affordable/physically possible (For me at least) --- I just try and keep a balance of the few substances I do use..... Right now I am cutting down on pot a bit for 420 so my sub and benzo use is a little up for example

PS -- at the time I was growing up with top notch hydro weed harvesting like a few lbs a month --- I had 1 oz per day wrote down as how much pot I wanted to smoke lmao. 8 blunts a day was the plan if I recall -- Silly but I remember having dreams! (Glad I did not accomplish these particular ones...but still)

how did this rotation work out for you? was weekly cocaine a bit risky?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Well ritalin "Didn't do anything" for me --- like nothing I thought you didnt get high on em at all. Till I took too much - long story short I dont like it. (Minus the rush but lets not go there - certainly not on a schedule)
Benzos stayed -- turns out I kind of needed them medically. I don't think I had ever gotten a good night sleep till I started smoking pot tbh.
Muscle relaxers kinda dissappeared -- soma was the only one worth a crap really and it stayed in the rotation till it vanished
Alcohol is alcohol -- not really my thing but I do drink on weekends a bit --- or any given 2 or 3 days of the week
Cocaine -- For awhile I had a fire coke connect but no job --- so realistically that was more like a once a month type thing. -- than that connect got blown by a friend and ive never seen anything that compares since. (also first coke plug, beginners luck!)
Shrooms -- can't really trip and roll every week of course.
Opiates -- Became a mainstay for better or worse -- started filling in those days that didnt have anything real quick.

So basically speed disagrees with me so stimulants are right out the door. Pyschedelics can only be used on occasion .... I learned my preference was towards pot opiates and benzos and those are the main three that I juggle.

Some alcohol every now and than because it is fcking boring in the middle of nowhere (To pass time) and that is about how it broke down

 

[placebonaut]

Well ritalin "Didn't do anything" for me --- like nothing I thought you didnt get high on em at all. Till I took too much - long story short I dont like it. (Minus the rush but lets not go there - certainly not on a schedule)
Benzos stayed -- turns out I kind of needed them medically. I don't think I had ever gotten a good night sleep till I started smoking pot tbh.
Muscle relaxers kinda dissappeared -- soma was the only one worth a crap really and it stayed in the rotation till it vanished
Alcohol is alcohol -- not really my thing but I do drink on weekends a bit --- or any given 2 or 3 days of the week
Cocaine -- For awhile I had a fire coke connect but no job --- so realistically that was more like a once a month type thing. -- than that connect got blown by a friend and ive never seen anything that compares since. (also first coke plug, beginners luck!)
Shrooms -- can't really trip and roll every week of course.
Opiates -- Became a mainstay for better or worse -- started filling in those days that didnt have anything real quick.

So basically speed disagrees with me so stimulants are right out the door. Pyschedelics can only be used on occasion .... I learned my preference was towards pot opiates and benzos and those are the main three that I juggle.

Some alcohol every now and than because it is fcking boring in the middle of nowhere (To pass time) and that is about how it broke down

interesting, thanks for sharing. I'm kinda going through a menu picking things at the moment, clearly I have preferences (pregab and diazepam together), but I'm very concerned about using them too much given benzo withdrawal & I'm starting to get a bit of pregab tolerance building.

So I'm more using other things as a filler in between what I'd rather do.

fortunately I don't have any major mental health issues which are triggering use, with the exception of needing to quieten my hyperactive mind that is (on the waiting list for ADHD diag), that's my main motivation for wanting to be high, much like you I just can't stand to be bored!

I'm also trying to keep my dosage low while I'm cycling things, I'm using nootropics and cannabis to potentiate things, the biggest issue so far has been that I'm simply taking too many combos, but I'm transitioning to this cycling scheme and plan to cut down on combos a lot.

I really need to get back to exercising as well, that was a massive help in reducing usage

 

[cnnka]

yeah they are, i'm not sure what I'm doing with them yet to be honest, but my current thinking is to micro dose or just hit threshold, not a full on trip.

and so far all I'm done is 2C-B, but my thinking is very much that they are less harmful, so better to swap out for other things even at a light dose with weed it's a worthwhile buzz and seems to be a workable alternative.

I get what you’re saying, and honestly that’s exactly where my dilemma is too. With psychedelics and weed, yeah they’re generally considered non-addictive, but if you use them a lot or in the wrong headspace, they can kind of push your mind off balance, you know what I mean. Not in a “hard drugs ruin your life overnight” way, but more subtle like anxiety, paranoia, or just feeling a bit disconnected.
So for me it’s like: do you go with something like psychedelics/weed that aren’t physically addictive but can mess with your head, or something like opioids where the high feels more “sober” and controlled, but you’re risking real addiction?
Neither option is really “safe,” just different kinds of risk.

 

[placebonaut]

I get what you’re saying, and honestly that’s exactly where my dilemma is too. With psychedelics and weed, yeah they’re generally considered non-addictive, but if you use them a lot or in the wrong headspace, they can kind of push your mind off balance, you know what I mean. Not in a “hard drugs ruin your life overnight” way, but more subtle like anxiety, paranoia, or just feeling a bit disconnected.
So for me it’s like: do you go with something like psychedelics/weed that aren’t physically addictive but can mess with your head, or something like opioids where the high feels more “sober” and controlled, but you’re risking real addiction?
Neither option is really “safe,” just different kinds of risk.

yeah spot on and that's why I'm trying to derisk the headspace issue by keeping the dosage low so that I can take it more often. Had 2C-B twice so far at about 10mg and that gives a nice warm buzz, no real mental head fuck, no visuals, with weed it's actually pretty similar to being drunk - no idea how often it's practical to do it like this though, and I also would like to try a bigger dose at some point to get some visuals for the fun of it mainly, but also so I can understand where the limit is and what the mental implications are like, that way I'll recognize what's going on down the line.

I have a similar issue with cannabis, which I tend to use most days, if I use it too long or take too much I end up with anxiety and a cotton wool head, I need to keep usage low and take breaks.

 

[cnnka]

Man, I get you 100%. Cannabis started affecting me pretty negatively too after like 15+ years of use, so I ended up cutting it out completely for a while and staying fully sober nothing at all.
What I miss the most from psychedelics is actually the visuals. I’ve seen some incredible beauty through them, and that’s the part that sticks with me. I’ve heard about 4-HO-MET being kind of like mushrooms but with less headspace and more visuals, but I’m still hesitant to touch it. Same with 2C-B you actually put the idea in my head from your experiences, but even though I’m curious, I kind of hold back because I don’t want to mess up the progress I’ve made over the last couple of years.
Opioids and benzos grounded me in reality really well at the time, but now I feel almost too grounded, if that makes sense. Part of me wants something psychedelic again, mainly for the visuals, but without getting pulled into deep thoughts or mental loops.
And about weed I relate to what you said, but for me lately it’s been the opposite. Instead of quieting the mental noise, it actually made it louder.

 

[placebonaut]

Man, I get you 100%. Cannabis started affecting me pretty negatively too after like 15+ years of use, so I ended up cutting it out completely for a while and staying fully sober nothing at all.
What I miss the most from psychedelics is actually the visuals. I’ve seen some incredible beauty through them, and that’s the part that sticks with me. I’ve heard about 4-HO-MET being kind of like mushrooms but with less headspace and more visuals, but I’m still hesitant to touch it. Same with 2C-B you actually put the idea in my head from your experiences, but even though I’m curious, I kind of hold back because I don’t want to mess up the progress I’ve made over the last couple of years.
Opioids and benzos grounded me in reality really well at the time, but now I feel almost too grounded, if that makes sense. Part of me wants something psychedelic again, mainly for the visuals, but without getting pulled into deep thoughts or mental loops.
And about weed I relate to what you said, but for me lately it’s been the opposite. Instead of quieting the mental noise, it actually made it louder.

I had a heroic dose of LSD 30+ years ago and haven't touched psycs since then, I dipped my toe in the water with Ketamine and really loved the Khole, very mind expanding experience just as acid was for me back in the day. That gave me the confidence to try psycs again, but I'm being very selective & cautious with what I take.

I'm not after a mind expanding or life changing experience this time (been there and done that), I wanted something that mentally more gentle, shorter duration and more visual which is why I started with 2C-B. I've also got some hill billy mushrooms to try when I'm ready, and at some point I may give DMT a try given its short duration.

 

[cnnka]

I had a heroic dose of LSD 30+ years ago and haven't touched psycs since then, I dipped my toe in the water with Ketamine and really loved the Khole, very mind expanding experience just as acid was for me back in the day. That gave me the confidence to try psycs again, but I'm being very selective & cautious with what I take.

I'm not after a mind expanding or life changing experience this time (been there and done that), I wanted something that mentally more gentle, shorter duration and more visual which is why I started with 2C-B. I've also got some hill billy mushrooms to try when I'm ready, and at some point I may give DMT a try given its short duration.

I’ve done high dosages of DMT a low dosages too and had smoked too many DMT for this life time. Caution DMT is too mystical even at low dosages.

 

[placebonaut]

I’ve done high dosages of DMT a low dosages too and had smoked too many DMT for this life time. Caution DMT is too mystical even at low dosages.

thanks for the heads up, I've not even researched it yet, it's simply on my list as a lower addiction risk option, but if it's a head fuck I may just try it a couple of times for fun rather than make it a regular thing. I'm more in the mind of I'll use either DMT or 2C-B or Mushrooms, not use them all

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

2c-b is gunna be hard to find (Most places) I think mushrooms are everywhere --- I do not think they are an apples to apples comparison though.

I have heard of DMT "addiction" -- It is short acting at least

 

[placebonaut]

2c-b is gunna be hard to find (Most places) I think mushrooms are everywhere --- I do not think they are an apples to apples comparison though.

I have heard of DMT "addiction" -- It is short acting at least

DNMs are pretty good still for both in the UK at least, mushrooms are literately everywhere, you can pick them in the UK in season in the local park!

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Ah okay if you can use the bitcoin or w/e than yea you can prolly get w/e you want -- shit i wouldnt know. (Yet) They have the technology -- I can even afford it.....Ill learn someday

 

[KetWise]

While it sounds like a plan on paper, reality is always different .

I think I wanted to cycle between drugs but I ended up daily poly drug user.

It's easier on the mind to tell yourself that you can and will switch between drugs and never be addicted, than telling yourself that you gonna get poly addicted later or sooner and lose control.

 

[cnnka]

With DMT you feel so clear-headed it’s almost like being more sober than sober, and at the same time the experience can feel more real than reality itself. That’s the real mindfuck how can you “see” all these things, even feel like you’re communicating, while your mind stays completely sharp and aware?
After a very intense experience, it can definitely make you not want to take other drugs for a while. It can be so overwhelming that you start questioning what reality even is, and that alone makes you want to stay grounded and reconnect with normal life.
In very small doses it can be more “fun,” with some visuals and less headspace, but even then the vibe is strange. I honestly can’t even place it in the typical drug or psychedelic category it really feels like something else entirely.

 

[placebonaut]

While it sounds like a plan on paper, reality is always different .

I think I wanted to cycle between drugs but I ended up daily poly drug user.

It's easier on the mind to tell yourself that you can and will switch between drugs and never be addicted, than telling yourself that you gonna get poly addicted later or sooner and lose control.

here in lies my problem, think it's be a poly drug user who's addicted mentally to being high with a real risk of physical addiction to multiple drugs VS focus on a few drugs that I will 100% have problems with.

which is the better route answer?!

clearly do neither! I'm just trying to push myself down the safer drugs route as much as possible.

which reminds me, I actually had a very impressive & possessive experiment last night, I had my usual dose of Cannabis (modest amount nothing crazy), 2 x double strong liqueurs, coupled with Taurine and magnolia bark - this combo hit really hard, I was very fucked, this is from someone who can easily drink half a bottle of whiskey with weed and keep going.....

With DMT you feel so clear-headed it’s almost like being more sober than sober, and at the same time the experience can feel more real than reality itself. That’s the real mindfuck how can you “see” all these things, even feel like you’re communicating, while your mind stays completely sharp and aware?
After a very intense experience, it can definitely make you not want to take other drugs for a while. It can be so overwhelming that you start questioning what reality even is, and that alone makes you want to stay grounded and reconnect with normal life.
In very small doses it can be more “fun,” with some visuals and less headspace, but even then the vibe is strange. I honestly can’t even place it in the typical drug or psychedelic category it really feels like something else entirely.

hmm sounds interesting if for the simple reason that it might help reset my addiction problems.

I had a similar experience post Khole though it doesn't last as a long as I'd like, and I don't want to be using ket every week really

 

[cnnka]

here in lies my problem, think it's be a poly drug user who's addicted mentally to being high with a real risk of physical addiction to multiple drugs VS focus on a few drugs that I will 100% have problems with.

which is the better route answer?!

clearly do neither! I'm just trying to push myself down the safer drugs route as much as possible.

which reminds me, I actually had a very impressive & possessive experiment last night, I had my usual dose of Cannabis (modest amount nothing crazy), 2 x double strong liqueurs, coupled with Taurine and magnolia bark - this combo hit really hard, I was very fucked, this is from someone who can easily drink half a bottle of whiskey with weed and keep going.....


hmm sounds interesting if for the simple reason that it might help reset my addiction problems.

I had a similar experience post Khole though it doesn't last as a long as I'd like, and I don't want to be using ket every week really

Mangolia is very good I use it all the time with 7OH , I also use L-Dopa it increases the dopamine buzz.
I usually do 5mg 7OH
200mg mangolia
400mg l dopa

If I want to be more sedative I increase mangolia to 400mg and swap the L-dopa for Baicalein.

 

[placebonaut]

Mangolia is very good I use it all the time with 7OH , I also use L-Dopa it increases the dopamine buzz.
I usually do 5mg 7OH
200mg mangolia
400mg l dopa

If I want to be more sedative I increase mangolia to 400mg and swap the L-dopa for Baicalein.

I had 400mg of magnolia last night, but I don't really need/want the sedation, I think it was a bit too much last night to be honest, going to try it without.

will take a look at L-dopa though, not something I've come across so far, a quick search though seems it might work well with cannabis, I can't take kratom (makes me throw up!) and 7OH isn't available in the UK, not going to get into importing it. Shame about kratom as I enjoyed it, though the effects weren't long enough.

in fact I enjoyed it a lot, 1 good reason for me to avoid opioids I think

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

I had 400mg of magnolia last night, but I don't really need/want the sedation, I think it was a bit too much last night to be honest, going to try it without.

will take a look at L-dopa though, not something I've come across so far, a quick search though seems it might work well with cannabis, I can't take kratom (makes me throw up!) and 7OH isn't available in the UK, not going to get into importing it. Shame about kratom as I enjoyed it, though the effects weren't long enough.

in fact I enjoyed it a lot, 1 good reason for me to avoid opioids I think

Very damn good reason. I can tell it wasn't wise from my side and 7Oh even less

 

[KurtAurelius]

interesting, thanks for sharing. I'm kinda going through a menu picking things at the moment, clearly I have preferences (pregab and diazepam together), but I'm very concerned about using them too much given benzo withdrawal & I'm starting to get a bit of pregab tolerance building.

So I'm more using other things as a filler in between what I'd rather do.

fortunately I don't have any major mental health issues which are triggering use, with the exception of needing to quieten my hyperactive mind that is (on the waiting list for ADHD diag), that's my main motivation for wanting to be high, much like you I just can't stand to be bored!

I'm also trying to keep my dosage low while I'm cycling things, I'm using nootropics and cannabis to potentiate things, the biggest issue so far has been that I'm simply taking too many combos, but I'm transitioning to this cycling scheme and plan to cut down on combos a lot.

I really need to get back to exercising as well, that was a massive help in reducing usage

Exercise is a biiiiig help. Especially when combined with cannabis. I have long stretches with just cannabis, coffee/tea and loots of exercise..

Endorphins and all that

 

[cnnka]

Exercise is a biiiiig help. Especially when combined with cannabis. I have long stretches with just cannabis, coffee/tea and loots of exercise..

Endorphins and all that

Just exercise or addiction to exercise? Like breaking PR’s progressing in weight times diets etc ?
Cause we addicts stay addicted you know it’s just happened to be the gym that’s not a bad thing. I’ve had the best years of my life addicted to the gym and the weed wish I could go back in there.