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Politics in 2004
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onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
Originally posted by Macksta
Not really, Greens policy is to decriminalise personal use/posession, not dealing or manufacturing.
I don't see that as having much of a reducing influence on criminal gangs at all.
Not really, Greens policy is to decriminalise personal use/posession, not dealing or manufacturing.
I don't see that as having much of a reducing influence on criminal gangs at all.
brad = shut down.
no, you're right: i really didn't think about what i was saying much before i wrote it. that said, if actual drug *sales* and manufacturing were ever legalised what i said would be relevant. pity it's not the case yet
Well I don't think dealing/manufacturing should be legalised either. I don't want to hijack the thread and turn it into some drug discussion, but yeah whilst I agree that Brad is a well informed, responsible and autonomous individual, there are a *lot* of people out there who are none of those things.
Of course crime would be substantially reduced, but I'm not too sure at what cost...
Anyway it's all a bit of a non issue seeing as it's not a policy of any real party, so either way as Taliana said it's not going to happen.
Of course crime would be substantially reduced, but I'm not too sure at what cost...
Anyway it's all a bit of a non issue seeing as it's not a policy of any real party, so either way as Taliana said it's not going to happen.
onetwothreefour
Bluelight Crew
on a long enough time scale i'd like to think it's possible
(not at ALL in my life span though, of course.)
(and yeah, you're right - any further discussion is probably best in another thread, which i'm sure exists somewhere...)
(not at ALL in my life span though, of course.)
(and yeah, you're right - any further discussion is probably best in another thread, which i'm sure exists somewhere...)
Im scared to think of what human civilisation would be like if it was ever to eventuate. Im first hand evidence of how drugs can fuck up a persons brain. I honestly believe drugs have made me sooo much slower, more forgetful, abd have generally fucked up my body. Im scared to think what people will be like in a few hundreds of years after all the drug use thats gone down the past century...
but thats just me.
anyway, back on topic
but thats just me.
anyway, back on topic
silvia saint
Bluelighter
illegal substances are freely available now. total legalization is not going to see granddaughter and granddad rush out to try e. the greens' objective is the much needed crack in the dam wall. it will happen. the fiction of 1984 and Brave New World is becoming more and more like fact each day. i think the only way we will be able to tolerate a totalitarian state will be with the aid of those wonderful, comedown free drugs.
doofqueen
Bluelighter
^^ you never answered my question. I don't like to make assumptions so i asked for your meaning behind what you said to me
lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
"...no honest person claims that happiness is NOW a normal condition among adult human beings; but perhaps it COULD be made normal, and it is upon this question that all serious political controversy really turns." - George Orwell
katmeow
Bluelight Crew
How fucked - my phone just rang - I picked it up to hear this....
Hello, this is John Howard, I'm calling you with this recorded message to let you know....
I hung up at that point. IMHO, the use of recorded messages to your phone is possibly the worst form of spam. The fact that Howard is using it shits me no end.
Anyone else had this happen??
Hello, this is John Howard, I'm calling you with this recorded message to let you know....
I hung up at that point. IMHO, the use of recorded messages to your phone is possibly the worst form of spam. The fact that Howard is using it shits me no end.
Anyone else had this happen??
anna!
Bluelight Crew
Green voters watch more porn
By Emma-Kate Symons of Strewth
October 5, 2004
PORN-USERS are more than twice as likely to vote Green compared with the general population, according to the preliminary findings of a new Australian study.
Almost one in four porn users also identified themselves as Coalition voters.
More than 1000 porn users were surveyed for the Understanding Pornography in Australia study, led by Alan McKee.
More than 16 per cent of those surveyed said they supported the Greens, more than double the 7 per cent the party scored in last week's Newspoll.
The Australian
By Emma-Kate Symons of Strewth
October 5, 2004
PORN-USERS are more than twice as likely to vote Green compared with the general population, according to the preliminary findings of a new Australian study.
Almost one in four porn users also identified themselves as Coalition voters.
More than 1000 porn users were surveyed for the Understanding Pornography in Australia study, led by Alan McKee.
More than 16 per cent of those surveyed said they supported the Greens, more than double the 7 per cent the party scored in last week's Newspoll.
The Australian
Oh wait, I meant this:
Howard defends phone spam
October 5, 2004
The Liberal Party today defended its use of pre-recorded phone messages from Prime Minister John Howard, with which it is bombarding households across Australia in the lead-up to polling day.
The Liberals are expected to contact tens of thousands of households between now and Saturday, with messages from Mr Howard declaring his support for local candidates in electorates across the country.
A Liberal Party spokesman, who referred to them as advocacy calls, said the party had been contacting voters in this way since 1996.
The only difference was that in the past, campaign workers had read from a prepared script, he said.
"We've been making advocacy calls since 1996 and they are being made to electorates across Australia," the spokesman said. "Their contents are totally positive messages in support of the local candidate or member and no mention is made of any other candidate or party.
"We are using what we believe to be an effective campaigning technique."
The spokesman said the party was not just focussing on marginal seats and because of the positive nature of their content they could not be classified as push-polling.
Mr Howard told radio 5AA in Adelaide that the technique had been used previously in local government campaigns across Australia.
"I have recorded some messages to people," Mr Howard said. "I'm making it clear they are recorded messages but I'm asking them to support candidates.
"It's a way of very quickly and directly getting to people."
Opposition family and community services spokesman Wayne Swan said Mr Howard had introduced yet another bizarre United States-style campaigning tactic.
"This holus-bolus importation of a US campaign robot is another dirty trick from the US Republican Party the prime minister is happy to burden Australian voters with," Mr Swan said in a written statement. "John Howard's electorate has already suffered an unwelcome prime ministerial email spamming campaign; it now seems that no phone message machine in the country is safe."
Voters could leave a loud and clear message of their own for Mr Howard on polling day, he said.
AAP
October 5, 2004
The Liberal Party today defended its use of pre-recorded phone messages from Prime Minister John Howard, with which it is bombarding households across Australia in the lead-up to polling day.
The Liberals are expected to contact tens of thousands of households between now and Saturday, with messages from Mr Howard declaring his support for local candidates in electorates across the country.
A Liberal Party spokesman, who referred to them as advocacy calls, said the party had been contacting voters in this way since 1996.
The only difference was that in the past, campaign workers had read from a prepared script, he said.
"We've been making advocacy calls since 1996 and they are being made to electorates across Australia," the spokesman said. "Their contents are totally positive messages in support of the local candidate or member and no mention is made of any other candidate or party.
"We are using what we believe to be an effective campaigning technique."
The spokesman said the party was not just focussing on marginal seats and because of the positive nature of their content they could not be classified as push-polling.
Mr Howard told radio 5AA in Adelaide that the technique had been used previously in local government campaigns across Australia.
"I have recorded some messages to people," Mr Howard said. "I'm making it clear they are recorded messages but I'm asking them to support candidates.
"It's a way of very quickly and directly getting to people."
Opposition family and community services spokesman Wayne Swan said Mr Howard had introduced yet another bizarre United States-style campaigning tactic.
"This holus-bolus importation of a US campaign robot is another dirty trick from the US Republican Party the prime minister is happy to burden Australian voters with," Mr Swan said in a written statement. "John Howard's electorate has already suffered an unwelcome prime ministerial email spamming campaign; it now seems that no phone message machine in the country is safe."
Voters could leave a loud and clear message of their own for Mr Howard on polling day, he said.
AAP
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I don't like it. Spam is spam, whether you're the Prime Minister or not.
Yeah i heard about that on the radio yesterday morning. Its mostly only happening in the seats that there are a lot of swinging voters etc etc, or the seats that it is close.
POLITICAL MARKETING STRATEGYS. pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
POLITICAL MARKETING STRATEGYS. pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
katmeow said:
No,it hasn't happened to me,thankfully
Well that sucks that it happened to you
Talk about an invasion of privacy.You are being stalked by John Howard,he,he,he,he...................
Shows what lengths this current Liberal party will go to, to get re-elected
Spam of this kind, from any party is crap
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lostpunk5545
Bluelighter
katmeow said:
Happened at my house too. And the message was listened to for approximately the same length of time as you have specified too.
What a waste of money.
I think I'm going to take the letter I got sent in the mail from liberal, print a big picture of an upraised finger on the back, and send it back to the return address on the envelope.
*Edit* Done and Done - Used this picture for the sake of artistic integrity:
And wrote spam sucks beneath. That protest cost me 50c... Stupid stamps.
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killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
LOL! Nah, just like legalising alcohol had no effect on criminal gangs in the US 8)
It took organised crime two decades to recover from that blow to their income, I guarantee that ppl like Carl Williams would be unemployed nobody's in the suburbs if it wasn't for the relative ease of huge profits from drugs.
silvia saint
Bluelighter
^^^
yeah but users will still have to purchase these drugs from illegal sources if drug reform only went as far as decriminalization. so macksta is quite correct.
yeah but users will still have to purchase these drugs from illegal sources if drug reform only went as far as decriminalization. so macksta is quite correct.
silvia saint
Bluelighter
lol. i wonder if this piece was written in an attempt to discredit greens supporters.
judging by the bl poll, it seems that we all have too much time on our hands
. then again, just being on bl in the first place might already suggest this
silvia saint
Bluelighter
Originally posted by doofqueen
^^ you never answered my question. I don't like to make assumptions so i asked for your meaning behind what you said to me
sorry. i'd missed the post you are referring to until now.
i gave you the thumbs up in support. i'd use the sarcastic emoticon if i was being sarcastic.
i said "you're brave" because i'd be worried about right wing fucks doing something to my house if i were to put a greens sign in the front yard.
sierra
Bluelighter
woohoo
the greens rule.
bob brown is my favourite politician. he'd make an excellent prime minister if people only voted for the greens instead of calling them hippies.
the greens rule.
bob brown is my favourite politician. he'd make an excellent prime minister if people only voted for the greens instead of calling them hippies.