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SillyAlien said:
ClubbinGuido, your argument is flawed and anger misplaced in that it is not the police who are "ruining a bunch of peoples lives over being high or having drugs", but the laws of the land. The job of the police is to uphold that law. If you don't agree with the message, shooting the messenger is not the solution.
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There are to many reports with corrupt cops nowadays, beating people with nightsticks for no reason and shooting at people because they made a suspicious movement. Cops today are standing behind a blue wall of silence. They betray our trust.

A couple days ago I was in a police station over bullshit. Cops said they found a needle in my friends car and were trying to force a confession out of us. Guess what? There was no needle.

My boy is facing serious time because he had mad dope on him. It was all for personal use and they charging him with intent to distribute. They ruined his life.

My uncle, god rest his soul, was charged with assaulting a police officer. The cop tripped over his shoe laces while chasing after him.

Cops are necessary yeah. But a majority of them are worth shit, all of them think they are the law because they have a badge.
 
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SillyAlien said:
So the fact that your friend was running around with mad amounts of dope on him - an illegal exercise in most countries, let alone in any state - is the fault of the police?
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I'm not saying that its the fault of the police, but they did not have to charge him with intent to distribute if it was for his personal use. I do not like how cops jump to their own conclusions.
 
Doesn't it become intent to distribute automatically if it's over a certain threshold?
 
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I guess, I'm not sure though. Maybe the intent thing could get dropped with a good attorney. IME, cops try to get someone with the most/serious charges they can. I've even heard one say "we'll let the courts settle it," when his discretion was questioned... :\
 
DarthMom said:
and what is wrong with that? sometimes you drug users really crack me up. you really need to get out of your poor me attitude and open your eyes and realize that murderers, rapists, and miscellaneous thugs do indeed need to be repressed.

like the above poster said, you don't like it...join it. be the change you wish to seek. not all cops get a boner arresting pot smokers.

i am so anti establishment, it isn't funny, yet i am smart enough to open my eyes and see that a select few in this world decide to join a dangerous occupation to serve their community. yes, we have a severe philisophical difference regarding a certain freedom, but it doesn't make them the "enemy" this isn't a fucking huxley novel, it is reality. it is the real world.

i have been let go by officers when i had weed on me. yes, some of them go overboard, they are human and that career choice could appeal to those who shouldn't be in it, but judging them by their worst is as bad as what you are doing to them.
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And then they go through a fucked up legal system, get incarcerated and end up worse then they were, come out and reoffend all because the industrial prison complex is so profitable. This whole system is fucked, police and all. Who's arresting the politicians who start wars?

Oh yes the virtue of being a police officer!
 
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to those who say "fuck the police" and who believe that they are all bad - that there can not possibly be such a thing as a single good cop, what have you done about it (besides moaning)?

alasdair
 
there are countless things one could do to take action and address the 'problem' constructively.

people who are genuinely interested in solving a problem would have no trouble coming up with an action list. those who just want to moan, well, they moan about it...

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alasdair
 
To the OP:

It's not only the war on drugs that bothers me, it's all the self-help laws that bother me. I don't think you should get a ticket for speeding unless it's proven you were driving recklessly. We don't need these people to pretend to be watching out for our safety when all they're really doing is trying to collect money and make themselves look good (to their supervisor) and inflating their ego by charging as many people as they can with as many crimes as possible.

I think certain branches of law enforcement are necessary, for example we need the FBI and SWAT to stop people from robbing banks, raping people, going on murderous rampages, etc., but we don't need average slob pigs on the streets. Certain dangerous cities might need some sort of police patrol for the legitimate purpose of citizen's safety, but in most towns it just isn't necessary. Most police stations should operate on an on-call as-needed basis.

Of course I'm somewhat of a radical libertarian and I believe in true freedom which I don't think exists in any country anywhere in the world. As long as your actions aren't directly imposing on other people's safety then you should be left alone no matter what you are doing. What it comes down to is money. There is so much money to be had in harassing average citizens for petty crimes.

What we really need to fight are all the ridiculous laws, not the police. Fighting the police directly doesn't work. If we could get a lot of the laws changed or removed it would inevitably put a lot of the police out of business.
 
Amebix said:
what do you propose we do?
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join your local police force, or sheriffs department. perhaps go higher, and get involved federally. i didn't realize i was being cryptic in my previous post.
 
Amebix said:
And then they go through a fucked up legal system, get incarcerated and end up worse then they were, come out and reoffend all because the industrial prison complex is so profitable. This whole system is fucked, police and all. Who's arresting the politicians who start wars?

Oh yes the virtue of being a police officer!
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so basically, you are saying that a bad child turns into a bad adult because of the system, and it is the fault of the law enforcement and corrections.....even though a lot of them (law enforcement) go to it because they actually have altruistic reasons i.e. helping those who need it.


where is the blame on the shit parents and community? [edited] no offense, but where do you get off giving shit to someone who gives an oath to put their community above themselves? you do realize the media only brings to the attention of the public the bad shit, so you only hear that. aren't you intelligent enough to realize this? do you seriously believe that nothing good comes from law enforcement? fer realz?

no one is saying the system is perfect, but it certainly a hell of a lot better than most countries. and you know what....changes are needed, so be a part of the change. go to school, gain an education and be a part of the solution.


good luck with that and all.
 
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DarthMom said:
so basically, you are saying that a bad child turns into a bad adult because of the system, and it is the fault of the law enforcement and corrections.....even though a lot of them (law enforcement) go to it because they actually have altruistic reasons i.e. helping those who need it.


where is the blame on the shit parents and community? [edited] no offense, but where do you get off giving shit to someone who gives an oath to put their community above themselves? you do realize the media only brings to the attention of the public the bad shit, so you only hear that. aren't you intelligent enough to realize this? do you seriously believe that nothing good comes from law enforcement? fer realz?

no one is saying the system is perfect, but it certainly a hell of a lot better than most countries. and you know what....changes are needed, so be a part of the change. go to school, gain an education and be a part of the solution.


good luck with that and all.
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no they put the law above their community.

police or not, justice will be served, i say its up to the the victim + family + community, and dont say it it will just be a lynchmob because you wouldnt be giving people enough credit. Here once again we have the police imposing the rule of government on people. We dont need police. Police/Government = Bad.
 
DarthMom said:
join your local police force, or sheriffs department. perhaps go higher, and get involved federally. i didn't realize i was being cryptic in my previous post.
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Doesnt work. Its been demonstrated time and time again you cant change the system in any serious way from the inside.
 
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