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Police Brutality Thread

Dude. It pains me to disagree with you or point you in the right direction given that we're usually in agreement (and not to mention having the same taste in music). But I don't know which South Africa you're talking about. Certainly not the one I live in! :ROFLMAO:

And for the record: there's no lions roaming the streets of Johannesburg either! :ROFLMAO:

Fuck me. Please tell this isn't the view the rest of the world has of my country! If it is: the media has done yet another stellar job (and that includes these wannabe YouTube stars that don't have a fucking clue).

Worse still is that you sound like I did not that long ago!

Here's the real lowdown:

White people in South Africa don't live in compounds! Sad fact of the matter is that the compounds to which you refer actually still do exist and they're populated by poor, unemployed, and destitute black people to this day. And that, I'm afraid, and as I've come to realize, is no fault of theirs i.e. we're now almost 27 years later and thanks to corrupt politicians and the lack of political will: not much has changed in that regard. Fair enough: the majority keep voting the same people in. But I can tell you that our majority have started to wise up and this has happened very very quickly too. For the first time in 27 years: politicians are finally being held to account and even imprisoned. And while we've got a ways to go: we're getting there. Albeit that it's taken some time and pain.

Oddly enough: somebody laughed at me the other day, right here, when I said I'd rather be here than most other places in the world given all the shit I see going on everywhere else. I actually wasn't joking. You couldn't pay me (now) to go and live in America. From where I sit: that'd be stepping backward in time insofar as racial issues are concerned. And I mean no offense by that statement. But the fact that a white South African, in spite of all that's happened here, can sit here today and make a statement such as that should be cause for concern and pause!

The farm murders? I touched on these in my earlier post today. I'm sure some are racially motivated (and some border on absolute hatred if you look at the manner in which some of the crimes are committed). But it's mainly due to sheer numbers i.e. there's still very few black farmers and the majority of farmers are still white while the vast majority of the country are black. And farmers are easy targets i.e. outlying areas. As noted previously: when you put this all into perspective then this place ain't too shabby at all. But there are indeed people around (both in South Africa and overseas) that will use whatever platform they can to push their race narrative. Matter of fact: there's at least two Americans that have their own bullshit YouTube channels, not to mention a certain South African who now lives in New Zealand, and who choose to push this narrative. And it's doing damage. And oddly enough: even I'm getting tired of people bitching and squealing about the same old thing. For the first time in my (racial) life: I'd rather try be a part of the solution than continue to perpetuate the problem. And if that means telling the rest of the world or certain international organizations to fuck off? Then so be it. With all of our resources (and here I include Sub-Saharan Africa): there should not be a poor or destitute person anywhere to be seen. And politicians are squarely to blame.

But this one of my arguments on this thread (crass attempt to get back on topic of course). No longer can I blame my fellow black South Africans for resorting to crime and violence. Because I know what I'd do if I were living in their conditions (and I don't even need an excuse) and had been let down by the same people that had been promising me shit for decades and let me down. But this is my argument: you cannot blame law enforcement for this. Not here and not in America nor anywhere else.
I had South African business people who came to a company I worked in years ago and said they had to live on compounds, due to the violence on White people, I forget the Black leaders name or what part of South Africa he's from, I think his name begins with an M, no I don't think of your country as a jungle with wild animals roaming around.

I knew someone who was on welfare through a working family member of theirs who told me, why should I go work when you work for me so I can get my welfare check every month and laughed at me.
 
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I had South African business people who came to a company I worked in years ago and said they had to live on compounds, due to the violence on White people, I forget the Black leaders name or what part of South Africa he's from, I think his name begins with an M, no I don't think of your country as a jungle with wild animals roaming around.
Well I have no idea what those South African people were talking about. Maybe they were just trying to curb favor with you or something. But I assure you there's no such thing and has never been. And given that I was born in 1965: I would know and have no reason to be lying to you.

It COULD be that they were talking about gated communities maybe? But that's out of choice and convenience and a lifestyle choice. And for sure probably more secure than having a freestanding home. But don't be fooled i.e. some of these fancy golf estates (gated communities) ain't there for the protection of white people. To begin with we're talking about some of the most expensive real estate in the country. And as things stand now (finally): they're by no means secure white enclaves either let me tell you i.e. we're all mixed here (those that are fortunate enough to have homes no matter whether said homes are freestanding or in these gated communities).


I knew someone who was on welfare through a working family member of theirs who told me, why should I go work when you work for me so I can get my welfare check every month and laughed at me.
Yeah. We're running a huge risk of getting off topic here. Not that I mind. But a mod. is sure to come along with a mod. stick soon enough! :ROFLMAO:

You're going to find those types of people everywhere. But just a lesson that I've learned: don't generalize. Been doing that my entire life. Turns out I was wrong. And wasted a lot of valuable time. That said: we have the same arguments here. Some say they'd rather "employ" illegal foreigners because they work harder. Is that actually true? No it's not. The foreigners know they have no rights and therefore no protection under the law and will suck up far less than minimum wage. And of course: their countries are pretty fucked (again thanks to politicians). And in Sub-Saharan Africa: South Africa is still the land of milk and honey.

Listen. It's not perfect here. But it sure ain't anywhere even remotely as bad as your post would have had somebody believe. And I actually do believe that we've somehow turned the race corner finally and somehow. But this only pretty recent in my opinion. But then: that could just be me that has a different take on things now. I don't actually have the definitive answer.
 
Well I have no idea what those South African people were talking about. Maybe they were just trying to curb favor with you or something. But I assure you there's no such thing and has never been. And given that I was born in 1965: I would know and have no reason to be lying to you.

It COULD be that they were talking about gated communities maybe? But that's out of choice and convenience and a lifestyle choice. And for sure probably more secure than having a freestanding home. But don't be fooled i.e. some of these fancy golf estates (gated communities) ain't there for the protection of white people. To begin with we're talking about some of the most expensive real estate in the country. And as things stand now (finally): they're by no means secure white enclaves either let me tell you i.e. we're all mixed here (those that are fortunate enough to have homes no matter whether said homes are freestanding or in these gated communities).



Yeah. We're running a huge risk of getting off topic here. Not that I mind. But a mod. is sure to come along with a mod. stick soon enough! :ROFLMAO:

You're going to find those types of people everywhere. But just a lesson that I've learned: don't generalize. Been doing that my entire life. Turns out I was wrong. And wasted a lot of valuable time. That said: we have the same arguments here. Some say they'd rather "employ" illegal foreigners because they work harder. Is that actually true? No it's not. The foreigners know they have no rights and therefore no protection under the law and will suck up far less than minimum wage. And of course: their countries are pretty fucked (again thanks to politicians). And in Sub-Saharan Africa: South Africa is still the land of milk and honey.

Listen. It's not perfect here. But it sure ain't anywhere even remotely as bad as your post would have had somebody believe. And I actually do believe that we've somehow turned the race corner finally and somehow. But this only pretty recent in my opinion. But then: that could just be me that has a different take on things now. I don't actually have the definitive answer.
Dude I’m not racist or trying to be just telling you what I’ve been told and my life’s experiences as being a White man and attacked by Blacks and Hispanics just because of the color of my skin, so I don’t buy into all the political correctness BS, I have Black and Hispanic friends believe it or not who are hard working people, so no I’m not generalizing all Blacks or Hispanics or people of color in general of being bad or criminals, that would be plain stupid and ignorant.

I do believe that Officer Chauvin was wrongfully charged with murder, if anything manslaughter, they did it to keep the peace.

I strongly believe there will be another civil war in my country, only they won’t like the outcome, it won’t be another North winning against the South, it wil be both the North and the South the entire country banding together, I can assure you that, we Americans won’t give up our country, not even England could keep their oppressive reign over us as they have with their current colony monarch countries.
 
To whom? Who are we fighting?
We are fighting communism and the liberal left aka socialist softer term for communists. This ain’t Europe, Cuba, China or North Korea, this is the United States of America, the land of the free and the brave and the communists wrongfully arrested and convicted an officer who was there doing his job to protect and to serve the community that turned against him over a criminal with a record a mile long, who died because of all the drugs in his system and refusing arrest. God bless Officer Chauvin and God bless America, Trump is not done yet.
 
We are fighting communism and the liberal left aka socialist softer term for communists. This ain’t Europe, Cuba, China or North Korea, this is the United States of America, the land of the free and the brave and the communists wrongfully arrested and convicted an officer who was there doing his job to protect and to serve the community that turned against him over a criminal with a record a mile long, who died because of all the drugs in his system and refusing arrest. God bless Officer Chauvin and God bless America, Trump is not done yet.
What you call communist, we call centrist in uk

Your democratic party isn't communist. Fact. If anything it's clearly right of center, not left, and farrrr from communism
 
We are fighting communism and the liberal left aka socialist softer term for communists. This ain’t Europe, Cuba, China or North Korea, this is the United States of America, the land of the free and the brave and the communists wrongfully arrested and convicted an officer who was there doing his job to protect and to serve the community that turned against him over a criminal with a record a mile long, who died because of all the drugs in his system and refusing arrest. God bless Officer Chauvin and God bless America, Trump is not done yet.
So the police and prosecutors in MN are communists? News to me.
 
I swear, some of the Trump folks have drunk so much MAGA kool aid that they’d mistake Ritchie Rich with Chairman Mao if he had a (D) at the end of his name

The fact that they could look at a party like the Democratic Party and see anything vaguely resembling EVEN SOCIALISM is beyond parody
 
Last I checked, a riot is the language of the unheard. Bust out them hearing aids, cause people are tired of being murdered and kidnapped.
 
the liberal left are u.s. citizens too.

when trump won in 2016, i saw trump voters tell clinton voters to be quiet, accept and respect the election result and give trump a chance to do his job.

perhaps it's time for trump supporters to take their own advice?

alas daily
Last I checked, a riot is the language of the unheard. Bust out them hearing aids, cause people are tired of being murdered and kidnapped.
Riots are the language of criminals and thugs to have an excuse to rob and loot.
 
This is starting to annoy me. I said earlier to @dalpat077 that it isn't a joke when a man dies and he said "spare me"... and now I'm going to basically say the same to you. Why the fuck wold we want to bring George back?
This is a late reply, but frankly I don't know the guy. I'm sure I could try to garner sympathy in relation to his family, but that likely wouldn't be the most impressive argument.

I'm thinking more along the lines of the fact that death is the end and the victim never recovers-- in relation to cops and accountability, they have brushed it off as if the victim just stubbed their toe in the past, yet turn it around and it is seen as some big tragedy when a cop dies.

It should be treated as a big deal anytime life is taken, in my mind. Often it isnt when cops are the ones doing it, and that's not ok.

So, I'm not emotionally attached to Floyd, more uncomfortable with this reality. I didn't really mean it in a purely literal sense, although I do see loss of life as tragic in general.
 
FungusHead said:
I do see loss of life as tragic in general.

Are you a vegetarian?

The Wizard of the Creek said:
It can be argued that George Floyd is better off dead. He is worth more dead than alive, not only monetarily (realistically, 27 million dollars is more than George or Philonius or anyone in the Floyd family would ever make combined by a lot), but also in terms of influencing societal and institutional change in American life and how police have got away with killing black people without any consequences for too long. The world, and certainly his family is better off with him dead (at least monetarily).

That’s certainly one way to look at, even though I had a hard time typing this out.

The only thing I disagree with is the race part. I've already clearly demonstrated that Black people aren't being shot disproportionately to the amount of crimes they commit.

The world is better with George Floyd dead. He contributed very little to his family. His kids didn't even know him. He was a violent thug.

What's important about his death is police brutality in general, not just police brutality against Black people.
 
The world is better with George Floyd dead. He contributed very little to his family. His kids didn't even know him. He was a violent thug.
Well I have witnessed people change in seriously unexpected ways and achieve things they would have been previously deemed incapable of.

George might've cleaned up and discovered a latent talent that could have impacted positively, locally , even globally, who knows.

You're denying the possibility of growth and change.
 
The only thing I disagree with is the race part. I've already clearly demonstrated that Black people aren't being shot disproportionately to the amount of crimes they commit.
This is a distortion. As I've clearly demonstrated, black communities are more heavily policed, resulting in black people being charged and convicted of more crimes relative to the total crimes committed, based on repeated surveys. Drug related charges contribute up the most significant proportion of the prison population in the US. White people and black people commit drug crimes at similar rates. Your statement would be more accurate were it phrased as so:

"I've already clearly demonstrated that Black people aren't being shot disproportionately to the amount of crimes they are charged and convicted of."

What's important about his death is police brutality in general, not just police brutality against Black people.
This part I agree with.
 
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