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Police Brutality Thread

Zephyn said:
Yeah, unless Chauvin was like this guys personal friend im confused. Like, he says that Elijah mccain was murdered, who was black, so he appears not *racist*, yet then he says some completely racist shit like that making all these assumptions about his family and friends and what they will do with the money .... based on....? Is he classist? Is that it? Hates people with a criminal history? How does that speak to their families, and why aren't you racist about Elijah mccain? Got a soft spot for aspies?
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Elijah was a peaceful and non-violent young man out for an evening stroll to and from a local store, who unfortunately had the bad luck to wear a balaclava and someone saw him, thought he was casing or going to rob them, or having a psychotic break, or medical emergency, or something was wrong, called EMS and police, and he was forcibly injected with Ketamine which killed him.

I hope none of his 'massage' clients robbed him, beat him up, sexually assaulted him, or forced him to do sex acts he found distasteful, and that he is at peace in the afterlife or any next life/existence.

According to body cam audio, these were McClain's last words as he was restrained by police officers:

I can't breathe. I have my ID right here. My name is Elijah McClain. That's my house. I was just going home. I'm an introvert. I'm just different. That's all. I'm so sorry. I have no gun. I don't do that stuff. I don't do any fighting. Why are you attacking me? I don't even kill flies! I don't eat meat! But I don't judge people, I don't judge people who do eat meat. Forgive me. All I was trying to do was become better. I will do it. I will do anything. Sacrifice my identity, I'll do it. You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful and I love you. Try to forgive me. I'm a mood Gemini. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Ow, that really hurt! You are all very strong. Teamwork makes the dream work. Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I just can't breathe correctly.[/b
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Atelier3 said:
I lived in Indonesia during a period of large scale officially sanctioned extra-judicial killings and occasionally saw the results in the streets. I worked in the Philippines, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, and the PRC during periods where there were regular extra-judicial killings. I was arrested a couple of times for non-drug related matters (intimidation by business partners and ex employees) and feared for my life more than once at the hands of police or military officers.
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I am sorry that happened to you.

Were you using drugs or in an addiction then in those countries? I have heard from people who worked in PRC that the police there are violent and that basically if they want to kill or torture you they will, and that citizens of the PRC who are not violent criminals are arrested, tortured, killed, taken from their homes without any warning or any judicial or doing anything illegal and put into prison labour camps. Is this true? The Western media tends to ignore reports of this, claims it happens mainly to Chinese muslims/non-Han/non-Chinese Inner-Asians.
 
Atelier3 said:
I wonder what that sentence would look like if it were reframed in colourblind terms of class? Are people likely to be shot by police in the same wealth/income bracket as people likely to commit violent crimes.
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Poor Chinese Americans don't commit crimes at the same rate as poor African Americans.

I'm not suggesting that poverty is not (at least) one of the most significant driving factors involved, but clearly it is not the only factor.

All of that is irrelevant as it applies to @Blueberry_87's comment, which said that people like Floyd are being shot too frequently. The quotation marks around the word "accidentally" seem to imply that it isn't an accident. BLM suggests that Black people are being shot because of systemic racism. If they are being shot because they commit more crimes, that isn't because of systemic racism. Why they happen to commit more crimes has no bearing on this, unless they are committing crimes because of systemic racism... which, predictably, is the next step in the counter argument. Because it has to be white people's fault, somehow.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I am sorry that happened to you.

Were you using drugs or in an addiction then in those countries? I have heard from people who worked in PRC that the police there are violent and that basically if they want to kill or torture you they will, and that citizens of the PRC who are not violent criminals are arrested, tortured, killed, taken from their homes without any warning or any judicial or doing anything illegal and put into prison labour camps. Is this true? The Western media tends to ignore reports of this, claims it happens mainly to Chinese muslims/non-Han/non-Chinese Inner-Asians.
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i appreciate the engagement but let’s keep on topic here. Happy to answer elsewhere.
 
I'm grateful for this outcome, however the very fact that I am grateful just shows how unjust the system is-- drugs, history, race, none of these things should excuse what Chauvin did. Yet, similar excuses have worked for many before him, and it will be an ongoing fight to drive change.

Courts have historically exhibited an apparent unwillingness to appropriately charge or prosecute cops for victimizing civilians when the civilian has been branded with the stigma of being a “criminal” or an “addict”.

The justice system is a disaster, and hopefully change comes. The struggle of BIPOC individuals who use drugs to live free of police-involved abuses needs to come to an end. I am fed up with the harms to individuals, families, the lives taken, due to the unforgivingly harsh impact it has on black lives and people who use drugs.

May George Floyd rest in peace and love, I hope his loved ones find comfort and support. Chauvin's conviction does not bring George back, and this is not the end, but I truly hope this helps to set a precedent for the justice system.
 
I apologise for too many posts. Usually my posts are longer. It pisses me off when people post repeatedly even if the wordcount is less than a long post.

I assume nobody on this thread really thinks (between the taxpayer settlement and the various GoFundMe pages the Floyd's set up) that George's family actually deserves USD$41 million?

Would anyone care to explain to me why they deserve this money?

If people like George are being killed for no reason other than their skin colour (and poverty is the cause of crime) surely a substantial amount of this money should go to other people.

FungusHead said:
Chauvin's conviction does not bring George back
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This is starting to annoy me. I said earlier to @dalpat077 that it isn't a joke when a man dies and he said "spare me"... and now I'm going to basically say the same to you. Why the fuck wold we want to bring George back?

People said earlier about drugs making people do bad shit I agree with that... someone also said something about not trashing on drug addicts. Maybe it was the same person. I don't know. I'm in quite a state at the moment.

What I do know is the world is overpopulated and this guy was a piece of shit.

Some of the people who might be outraged by that last sentence are quick to call Chauvin a piece of shit and say they hope he fucking dies. Somebody sent me a private message for my involvement in this thread saying I deserve to be raped.

At the end of the day: I care about police misconduct, but I don't give a flying shit that George Floyd is dead.
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
I apologise for too many posts. Usually my posts are longer. It pisses me off when people post repeatedly even if the wordcount is less than a long post.

I assume nobody on this thread really thinks (between the taxpayer settlement and the various GoFundMe pages the Floyd's set up) that George's family actually deserves USD$41 million?

Would anyone care to explain to me why they deserve this money?

If people like George are being killed for no reason other than their skin colour (and poverty is the cause of crime) surely a substantial amount of this money should go to other people.
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I think the jury should stay out in this question until the world sees what the George family actually does with the money. I hope they buy themselves something nice - whatever floats their boat. Maybe even a boat. But they may yet put some or a great deal of it towards social goods that others benefit from.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Yes, I do.

I don't think you understand what a fact is.
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A fact is something that can be proven true.

Derek Chauvin is guilty of murdering George Floyd.

This can be proven by the verdict that was delivered by the jury yesterday and entered into the court filings by the judge.
 
Atelier3 said:
I think the jury should stay out in this question until the world sees what the George family actually does with the money.
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I'm too sceptical about people to wait. I've spent too much time waiting. People are selfish. Doesn't matter what their skin colour is. My jury is out on that one.

People criticized @PriestTheyCalledHim because he said the Floyd family would blow their money.

It's easy to look at that statement and think he's being racist, but maybe he's just being honest?

It has nothing to do with race. If George Floyd was exactly the same guy and he was white, I'd have exactly the same opinion of him and I'd wager that applies to Priest also.

I honestly don't think people care that much about skin colour. They only care because - for example - they are apprehensive about people who are Black if they are (statistically) more likely to commit crime. But, so are rich Black people. I'm male and I am more concerned about being attacked by another male. That doesn't make me sexist.
 
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