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Police Brutality Thread

I gave Trump a chance. That is our obligation as citizens. Perhaps obligation is not the right word, but when he was elected I was curious as to what he could do.
 
I heard about his corporate practices first hand from union workers in Atlantic City back in the 90's. As crooked as they come, and a sense of selfish,narcissistic entitlement dont make for a good leader. You can take the best individual, with most genuine intentions, and 4yrs of absolute power will ruin them. Start off with bad apple, only gets worse.
I worry for the next generation.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
From footage seen from the incidents, the looting and violence was prompted by frustration and peaceful protesters coming under attack from police brute force, a lot after dark when it's hard to capture on film, people unarmed and standing peacefully being moved from 1 foot away. Also some agitators who were using the protests as a cover, going along break and entering, people seem to join in and get involved opportunistically.

Some vandals got taken out and given to police by the protesters who were there to protest and did not want the vandalism to be attributed to them.

Police tactics were fucking retarded, peaceful protests mainly turned sour because they can't do anything but smash beyond and fire rubber bullets.

Fuck the police, it's the shitcunts amongst them that make the lot have that reputation and there are good ones around clearly but they don't make headlines.
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Nah. The looters are just scum that are using this as an excuse to rob.
I’ve just watched a vid of black protesters beating up white protesters that were on their side lol
Whites looked shocked as fuck when the people they were supporting started attacking them just for being white lol just shows blacks are racist too.
 
Lol. This doesn't redress or answer anything and opens a whole can of worms about the merits of reparations. What it does look like is another braindead effort by overpaid out-of-touch elites and corporates to get in early and absolve themselves of taking potential responsibility for anything more scary about their dodgy past.

It's called greenwashing when it's oil corporations planting a couple of trees and a plaque to commemorate it; maybe this could be called 'slavewashing'?

www.theguardian.com

Lloyd's of London and Greene King to make slave trade reparations

Firms will make payments to benefit the BAME community and promote diversity
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
JGrimez said:


I see a lot of these videos and generally it's a recurring theme. Are the uploaders racist or is there actually an issue with black people disproportionately violently assaulting people?
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I haven't seen any videos of these things, mainly because I don't really look for anything except for cats doing stupid shit.

The only ones of late have been about George Flloyd and the resulting violence and clashes.

It's difficult to keep things in perspective when it comes to racism as it's just so ingrained and gone on for generations (ever since the younger countries such as ours and America I suppose is at least a relatable time period).

I don't think the police brutality vs black people is a white vs black issue, more so a institutionalised power beyond any accountability allowing their protected people to abuse said power on the vulnerable.

Hits close to home, as a white woman who fell victim to a crime because I was white against an angry mob of Aboriginal men- what happened to their race 200 years ago was an excuse to try to murder me...so when it gets to that stage what can any one say?

Probably why things will never get any better in our lifetime.
 
Soso78 said:
Nah. The looters are just scum that are using this as an excuse to rob.
I’ve just watched a vid of black protesters beating up white protesters that were on their side lol
Whites looked shocked as fuck when the people they were supporting started attacking them just for being white lol just shows blacks are racist too.
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There were people on film clearly using this as an excuse to rob, mayhem breeds mayhem yet I seriously doubt anyone that participated based on their belief that shit is fucked up and needs to be fixed would do that.

I dunno man, it's a mistake to write off the entire population marching globally because a small percentage whoransacked the place.

You know what happens when tempers flared, shit just gets out of control and people can do nasty shit when provoked like the police have done.
 
wudbutcher said:
Why good reason? Our ancestors, not us, committed the atrocities. Kickin a dead horse to blame the children for the parents sins.
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There is truth that past generations subjected one another to this, not us. However, it created a situation of one group over another and while that has steadily been moving towards level over the generations, I doubt one can say with confidence that things are truly equal today. Owing in a large part to the set back the black race has been subjected to over time. Lack of access to jobs or other opportunities has noticeably put an entire race behind the (white) majority). While the doors may be open today to opportunity, the black race still isn't on an equal footing at the starting line.

Do you disagree that taken as a whole, blacks suffer from a lack of father figures, a history of crime and incarceration? It's easy to sit here and say 'they made the choice and need to make better ones'. But when all you've known and seen is broken, how do you know what 'better' is? So while you and I didn't put them in that position, it is the one they are in on average, owing primarily to that history of our past generations putting them in that position. Where is the recourse? Beyond opening a door of opportunity, how do we ensure they are prepared and capable to go thru that door and reach their potential? They still retain the decision to do so or not, just as any other human chooses for themselves what path they will follow. But to simply say they need to 'pick themselves up by the bootstraps' and do better ignores that our race has prepared us for this generation by generation, and theirs has not been allowed to until relatively recently. How is this remedied? Do we have zero obligation, as we reap the benefits and they suffer the consequences?

And if truly still oppressed, there wouldnt be cop killing rap songs, BET, Boondocks, to name only a few examples.
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Lol, and conservatives cry all the time about being censored (a contradictory irony). I agree, the black culture does not help itself try to achieve growth and reach potential with the violent rap songs (loved by white kids quite a bit, if you noticed); and black focused media like BET or Ebony magazine are a double edged sword - providing an outlet and spotlight for blacks while simultaneously segregating themselves from integration.
 
jackie jones said:
Come on. Look at the government. All white.

I could come up with so many examples, but it has been done so many times. Black people do not have equality. They finally got half of a black president, who was very white acting.
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Not all white. There are many black politicians at all levels of gov't across the nation. Same for the representation of women (Seattle police chief is both black and a woman). Where I'd pause is 'equality'. Do you mean a 14% representation in gov't positions as proportional to their minority population position? I have no idea what the representation is today. No clue, other than who gets airtime on MSM as mayors (notably, not governors), or as congressmen; as police chiefs or captains. But what is the ideal? I would argue against restricting it to a quota (must have 14%, no less....but is more ok?) or black populations have black leaders and whites have whites. That's forcing things to an unnatural state and further divides rather than uniting.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Do we know if that was a personal decision by the cop, or an order he was following to not-engage unless required, so as not to create more fuel for rioting?
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I don't know what you mean by "unless required" ? I assumed cops would be compelled to intervene when they witnessed an assault right in front of their face.
 
JGrimez said:
This is a tough spot for liberals because they're now engaging in victim blaming.
Because most of them are so scared of being called a racist they will never even admit that black people commit disproportionately more violent crime.
This is also a reason why police resources are more focused on areas and people who commit the most crime.
If they were ever to admit that they'll say it's because of white supremacy and systemic racism.
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It IS because of systemic racism, generation upon generation of oppression and suppression. Don't forget civil rights was only a few decades ago. Do you deny there was racism and oppression before that movement? Do you deny it continued afterwards, especially in some areas?

If it's not because of systemic racism, then are you saying it's a characteristic of black people to be violent and poor?
 
Xorkoth said:
If it's not because of systemic racism, then are you saying it's a characteristic of black people to be violent and poor?
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Check and mate. I eagerly await to see if we'll get the typical misdirectional response here or an inflammatory response, there's no way to respond to this one without admitting the flawed views, so possibly both.
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
There were people on film clearly using this as an excuse to rob, mayhem breeds mayhem yet I seriously doubt anyone that participated based on their belief that shit is fucked up and needs to be fixed would do that.

I dunno man, it's a mistake to write off the entire population marching globally because a small percentage whoransacked the place.

You know what happens when tempers flared, shit just gets out of control and people can do nasty shit when provoked like the police have done.
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Fairly certain MLK and Malcolm would be ashamed. Demonstrations should not cost taxpayers millions of dollars, especially during a time when
the entire world is suffering due to Covid's economic implications. Can hardly be described as marching.
A lot of factors contributed to public reaction IMO. Unrest and uncertainty due to Covid, the stay at home orders, ( sheer boredom) and lack of human interaction ( no replacement for face to face), etc. Hell, the masks stress me the fuck out! If there was ever a time for unity, it is now. So tired of the word patriotism.
We're ALL in the same boat.
And the fact is, #1 cause of death for young black man is murder by another black man ( in the us, assume due to constant civil unrest it's the same in Africa, not to mention Mexico and south America). Police in those countries don't play.
The stigma and biases claimed by the black community are real.
But it cannot be denied that a lot of it is earned. Dont claim black lives matter then fail to show that by example from within your ( self separated, we're not chanting ALL lives matter) group.
 
Saying one thing matters is not the same as saying that nothing but that one thing matters, not even close. People saying black lives matter is not people saying all lives don't matter. It's just that when your society has repeatedly shown you through its actions that it doesn't value your life, based on the color of your skin/societal upbringing, as much as it values the lives of other groups, you might want to try to remind people that in fact, the lives of your people do matter. I don't think "white lives matter" has ever been in doubt in America. Granted, these days it kinda feels like no one's life really matters to those in control. But that doesn't invalidate the very real and earned feelings among black people that their lives are valued even less.

It truly doesn't make sense to me when people get their panties in a bunch about "black lives matter" instead of "all lives matter", for the reasons I just described. No shit all lives matter. Yeah I'm quite sure there are some people shouting "black lives matter" that are inferring that others don't, but that's not what the movement is about, and it's repeatedly been a sticking point to try to discredit the entire movement.

The unfortunate truth is that white Americans brought black people here as slaves, against their will. And then when forced to give up their slaves, they did their best to turn them into the next best thing. And then when forced to give them voting and property rights, they were like "nevermind, now we just don't want them here at all". Any bit of freedom and egalitiarian regard was hard-fought and only grudglingly given. It's no wonder there's a movement to try to remind people that this subset of the American population matters as much as the rest of the population. Our society has consistently shown black people that they're worth less.
 
mal3volent said:
I don't know what you mean by "unless required" ? I assumed cops would be compelled to intervene when they witnessed an assault right in front of their face.
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Technically no. The law has repeatedly held that the police have no duty to protect anyone who isn't in their custody (as in under arrest).

So if you're just some random person and you're attacked and a nearby cop doesn't protect you, no i don't think you have any legal recourse.

Unlimited power and zero responsibility. :P
 
JessFR said:
Technically no. The law has repeatedly held that the police have no duty to protect anyone who isn't in their custody (as in under arrest).

So if you're just some random person and you're attacked and a nearby cop doesn't protect you, no i don't think you have any legal recourse.

Unlimited power and zero responsibility. :p
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That's tricky, although yes, technically our Supreme Court has upheld that the police has no duty- typically police officer's paid duties are to do this, they just have no way to be prosecuted for not doing this. That's ultimately what it comes down to, otherwise it would be difficult to ever convince anyone to become a police officer. In other words, it could be against their policy and they could be disciplined by their department, but they could not be sued for breaking an actual law.

I'm impressed with your knowledge of US law, by the way.
 
Deru said:
That's tricky, although yes, technically our Supreme Court has upheld that the police has no duty- typically police officer's paid duties are to do this, they just have no way to be prosecuted for not doing this. That's ultimately what it comes down to, otherwise it would be difficult to ever convince anyone to become a police officer. In other words, it could be against their policy and they could be disciplined by their department, but they could not be sued for breaking an actual law.

I'm impressed with your knowledge of US law, by the way.
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I'm a dual citizen. I grew up in the US and still have family in the US.

So that's why. :p
 
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