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Police Brutality Thread

they knew who he was
Could you substantiate this, or is it a case of "I think they knew who he was." Did they ID him, ask control to look him up on a federal database for any priors and then apprehend him. Or was it more of a heat-of-the-moment kinda thing. Unless you know for certain they knew who he was it is just conjecture and look where that has gotten us.

I am sorry to hear about your experiences though and completely agree that cops, especially gun-carrying cops, should at least some kind of diploma in criminal psychology.
 
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Because some people want to deny stuff like this happening:


Grimey, please don't post stuff like this without cross-referencing. This crowd, disrn.com, could hardly be described as a reputable news source. Do a back-trace of disrn.com through facilities, such as for e.g. mxtoolbox.com, and you'll find that not only are they an AWS hosted website, not only do they invalid DNS records, but the domain is registered with an outfit at tigertech.net. C'mon man, you're better than this. Not saying that disrn.com aren't legit but that stuff like this should be verified before it is spawned across socmed.
 
They did know who he was, and if they didn’t, which is plausible, because they’re at the very least, morons. But, Floyd had a record and every cop runs their name as soon as they confirm their identity. That’s 101 police academy shit.
Sorry Wiz but unless this can be unarguably proven it is conjecture. Neither you nor I were there at the time so, even if it is Academy 101 shit, there's no telling whether process was followed. I'm happy to be proven wrong though.

They knew who he was, they handcuffed him and it wasn’t until something happened in their cruiser while he was detained that he was taken to the ground from the cruiser and commenced to kill him.
Last I saw they didn't even get him into the cruiser. He kept collapsing to the ground before they could get him through the door. Again, happy to be proven wrong.

They knew exactly who he was
I'm claiming conjecture again, maybe they did, maybe they didn't

Floyd was jailed for robbery, where he and others randomly broke into a home of a pregnant lady. Floyd pull a gun at her and pointed it at her belly, while the others ransacked and robbed this pregnant lady’s home. They did not know her, and it appears that they picked this house at random.
No argument, the list of his priors is public knowledge, as is the list of investigations into the cop.

other cops pressed his chest down.
Didn't see anything about other cops holding his chest down. Could you send a link please?

They executed him
Calling conjecture on this too. I don't think, or at least would like not to think, the the actions of the cops were pre-planned.

That is the statistics in police murder charges while on duty.
Could you please cite some references to these statistics?
 
Thanks Wiz.

Looks like NBC got their 'facts' from https://www.bgsu.edu/content/dam/BG...icers-Charged-with-Murder-or-Manslaughter.pdf but, in typical media fashion, chose not to disclose all the details. To whit:-

"Since the beginning of 2005 (through June 24, 2019), there have been 104 nonfederal sworn law enforcement officers with the general powers of arrest (e.g., police officers, deputy sheriffs, state troopers, etc.) who have been arrested for murder or manslaughter resulting from an on-duty shooting where the officer shot and killed someone at incidents throughout the United States. Of those 104 officers, to date only 35 have been convicted of a crime resulting from the on-duty shooting (15 by guilty plea, 20 by jury trial, and none convicted by a bench trial)."

But perhaps more importantly...
"In the cases where an officer has been convicted, it is often for a lesser offense. Only 4 officers have been convicted of murder (there were four officers whose murder convictions were overturned, but the officers were later convicted of federal crimes arising out of the same incident). The 4 officers convicted of murder received incarceration sentences that ranged from 81 months to 192 months in prison, with an average length prison sentence of 150.75 months. As to the other officers, 9 were convicted of manslaughter, 4 were convicted of voluntary manslaughter, 5 were convicted of involuntary manslaughter, 2 were convicted of official misconduct, 2 were convicted of reckless homicide, 3 were convicted of negligent homicide, 5 were convicted of federal criminal deprivation of civil rights (including the four officers whose murder convictions were overturned), and one was convicted of reckless discharge of a firearm. The 18 officers convicted of manslaughter received incarceration sentences that
ranged from zero months to 480 months in prison, with an average sentence of 78.5 months in prison. The criminal cases for 45 of the officers ended in a non-conviction: 23 were acquitted at a jury trial, 9 were acquitted at a bench trial, 4 were dismissed by a judge, 7 were dismissed by a prosecutor, one received a deferred adjudication, and in one instance no true bill was returned from a grand jury"

Bold font is my doing. Again, happy to be proved wrong, but it seems that 42 out of 104, were acquitted by jury, 2 ended in nothing and the remaining 58 went to jail. So 55% of cops accused of killing civilians were found guilty. This then does not gel with "Those cops probably will be acquitted. That is the statistics in police murder charges while on duty". Most probably the cop will be guilty of manslaughter.

Thanks for pulling out that NBC link though.
 
One day where all chases can be done via drones, sure. But for now car chases are a fact of life.

This is not true. Some cities have banned police chases, including mine, for good reason. The people won't stop, and wind up killing innocent people in the process.
 
I think you mean straightforward and simple for people who think like you. I am not you therefore do not think like you. Could we perhaps leave future references toward subjective simplicity et al out of the conversation and focus on the topic at hand?

It's a lost battle, I've tried.

Last I saw they didn't even get him into the cruiser. He kept collapsing to the ground before they could get him through the door. Again, happy to be proven wrong

Sure they did, there's plenty of body cam footage to show this.
 
I did not know that. Thanks Deru. Which cities if I may ask, without prejudicing your current location preferably?

Without saying specifically my city, I'll explain the nuances regarding it. Police chases were banned for everything except violent felonies, which spurred the mobile drug dealing market - many local rappers rap about the business model, all one needed to do was wait for the officer to get out of his car and speed off and the officer could not follow. About two years ago, under pressure, the chief of police gave in and allowed chases again. Within one month, one officer had died during a chase and there were numerous fatalities and horrible wrecks. Because of this, it's already in the process of being banned again, and current (unofficial) operating procedure is to not chase unless it's a violent felony. They were also hitting and killing young children in the process of these chases, so there was about a two month period where chases were allowed and multiple innocent people, children and an officer died. There are other cities who have banned it, as well, because they are always brought up during the Common Council discussions of banning the process again. The suburbs of my city have their own unique processes on police chases, they all differ. I can't remember the exact other cities where police chases are not allowed, maybe someone else could help me out in regards to that?

A bit more information on the officer who died, I personally know a lot of police officers, and the officer who died was a young rookie because the senior office had an agenda (probably racist, not my words - his own peers) and wanted to chase someone who had expired tags. The police car rolled multiple times, the racist cop survives and the innocent, young rookie cop died. That was mainly the event the immediatley spurred outright unwillingness to chase within the department, and then the innocent people and children dieing just compounded matters more.

Every once in a while we'll see some cop who is trying to prove something initiate a chase, and without fail, they wind up killing something or plowing into someone's house at 80 mph, or t-boning a public bus at 50 mph, etc. The chases never end with the suspect pulling over.
 
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@empeebee I initially read you post as "to" the cruiser, not "into". That is not going to be as clear-cut, they definitely get him to the cruiser. It could probably be argued if they ever successfully get him into the cruiser. Without rewatching it to verify, I can visualize the one officer on the other side of the cruiser trying to pull him in with the two officers trying to push him in, but I honestly can't remember definitively if they succeed in getting him in and then pulling him back out. If memory serves correct, they partially get him in and then change course and pull him back out.
 
Yeah, from what I remember seeing they got him to the open car door and he kept collapsing to the ground. This may have been because he was full of fent and other drugs or because he was trying to resist being put into the cruiser. I'll rewatch when I have a few spare minutes.
 
Anyone seen the pics of the woman he battered?
looks like he smashed her face pretty good.
If it’s true of course.
Oh ye, she was pregnant and he threatened to kill the baby
 
Anyone seen the pics of the woman he battered?
looks like he smashed her face pretty good.
If it’s true of course.
Oh ye, she was pregnant and he threatened to kill the baby

I haven't, no. Are we attempting to argue that he deserved to be murdered by the police officers, in broad daylight, for all to see, because of this? I definitely don't want to sound defensive - or defend the act, if he did that, he deserved to have consequences - but I do have to suspect the motive here and wonder if the reason of bringing it up is to say justice was served with what happened to him or "he had it coming"?
 
I haven't, no. Are we attempting to argue that he deserved to be murdered by the police officers, in broad daylight, for all to see, because of this? I definitely don't want to sound defensive - or defend the act, if he did that, he deserved to have consequences - but I do have to suspect the motive here and wonder if the reason of bringing it up is to say justice was served with what happened to him or "he had it coming"?
no not at all. I wouldn’t try to defend the cops actions. Trust me I’ve had my own issues with police, from wrongful arrest to basically trying to blackmail me for information on dealers.
just there’s a lot of misinformation and thought this was the thread to ask.
I’ve seen pics of a woman battered to fuck saying it was floyds victim. I don’t believe much of what I read on internet though.
 
^ I haven't seen any verified pictures, as of yet, in regards to that then.
 
Jackie, as you lay there bleeding out, if the only person who could have helped you was black would you tell them not to help you? If the paramedics who attended had been black would you have told them to piss off?

Unfortunately, the police officer who put pressure on my upper leg (I will have to give that some thought, God damn it) and the paramedics who helped me (along with the hospital staff, come to think of it), were all honky white folk.

This was in Savannah, GA, by the way...

Perhaps if it were the other way around, my mindset would be different. And perhaps it will be in the future. I am not that stubborn.
 
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