Police Brutality Thread

[Deru]

Quote the rest of it.

You must have added it quickly after I quoted it. Still, doesn't change anything. Doesn't matter what one or more individuals did, no matter how bad, to then extrapolate that these individual's actions are representative of a whole race.

If a white person goes and tortures and rapes children, should every white person be blamed for that? Should every white person need to apologize?

Just put yourself on the other side of the coin.

 

[JessFR]

It doesn't have to be that way. It's all crap.

You're a bigot. For whatever reason, you have an irrational dislike of black people and like all bigots you find reasons to try and justify it.

But it is irrational.

Were all those people who wrong you also men? Yet you don't blame all men. Why because you've known good people who are men? So you're saying there are no good black people? Cause if there are, how is it right to judge them because of what some assholes did?

It's all bullshit. It isn't "just the way it is" it isn't a logical response to experience.

It's bigotry, racism, hate. And yes, to your original question, it's wrong.

 

[jackie jones]

If a white person goes and tortures and rapes children, should every white person be blamed for that? Should every white person need to apologize?

I am not asking anything of them.

And if I could develop a pattern, then yes.

 

[jackie jones]

All I can really identify is that I spent years as a young hippie, loving everyone.

I got fucked over, hurt, and robbed by black men in particular until I changed my mind.

 

[jackie jones]

Don't like it, Jess?

Well... Shucks.

 

[JGrimez]

Enough people have protested and made sure their voices have been heard, so those are the issues that are going to get these conversations right now - whether one agrees it's a worthy issue, or if there are more important issues, etc

I do think it's a worthy issue - I disagree with worthy issues being used to manipulate and mobilize people like mindless puppets.
For eg if you legitimately believe we're in a pandemic and yet you still go out to protest police then you are a mindless puppet.

I do not play with blacks as a result. I never will. I do not want anything bad to happen to them, or see them differently as people, I simply will not be around them. Am I wrong?

This is a tough spot for liberals because they're now engaging in victim blaming.
Because most of them are so scared of being called a racist they will never even admit that black people commit disproportionately more violent crime.
This is also a reason why police resources are more focused on areas and people who commit the most crime.
If they were ever to admit that they'll say it's because of white supremacy and systemic racism.

White people have done... God only knows how many horrible things throughout history and into the present day.

A white person is 27x more likely to be a victim of violent crime by a black person than vice versa.
Instead of blaming the bad black people who have created this environment you're blaming the white victims who simply react to the reality for their own safety.

 

[Deru]

For eg if you legitimately believe we're in a pandemic and yet you still go out to protest police then you are a mindless puppet.

You're impossible, and everytime I think we're just about to have a normal discussion, you throw another one of these statements in there to just vent your anger.

Are they a mindless puppet or someone who feels more strongly about protesting police and is willing to sacrifice getting the virus?

You know the answer to this, we've had this discussion too many times. Is the MSM possibly altering some people's behavior, sure. Are they altering everyone's behavior at the level you're suggesting? Not even close. Does the issue remain regardless? Yes. Does venting about it in here help you? Why cloud up the issues that you just agreed were legitimate?

Everything screams at me to stop engaging, but I actually believe you are an intelligent person, and if you could just move beyond the tangents you're focused on, I think you could have decent contributions to the actual issues being discussed.

 

[Deru]

If they were ever to admit that they'll say it's because of white supremacy and systemic racism.

Right, so in regards to systematic racism, do you believe that's a scapegoat or a legitimate issue? Even if not the full root cause, is it a component?

 

[JGrimez]

Are they a mindless puppet or someone who feels more strongly about protesting police and is willing to sacrifice getting the virus?

IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM
ARE THEY SELFISH!!??
THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE - THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR SOCIETY

^I've been hearing this shit for months when people talk about working and feeding their families.

According to their own narrative - it doesn't matter whether they think protesting racism/police is THE most important issue right now - they need to stay the fuck home.
I'm just using their own logic against them.
They're not thinking for themselves.
If the government showed them videos of animal abuse they'd suddenly start protesting for animals.

Drones.

 

[Deru]

IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM
ARE THEY SELFISH!!??
THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE - THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR SOCIETY

Correct, and yes. And, as stated before, the issue is more important now than trying to protect the vulnerable.

Should I literally requote the same conversation we just had?

 

[Deru]

They're not thinking for themselves.

Well, I came to that conclusion on my own, well before any public health experts or MSM started saying it. So I can promise you, I'm thinking for myself. As a matter of fact, if you look at the time stamp on some of my posts discussing it in here, what I was saying wasn't even being discussed in the media and I had no idea anyone would follow my line of thinking. I just weighed the data and variables, and I guess others agreed with how I weighed them.

I think you have a deep rooted paranoia that the government and MSM is brainwashing people, and with any type of illogical thinking, it's pointless to keep engaging.

 

[mal3volent]

I do think it's a worthy issue - I disagree with worthy issues being used to manipulate and mobilize people like mindless puppets.
For eg if you legitimately believe we're in a pandemic and yet you still go out to protest police then you are a mindless puppet.


This is a tough spot for liberals because they're now engaging in victim blaming.
Because most of them are so scared of being called a racist they will never even admit that black people commit disproportionately more violent crime.
This is also a reason why police resources are more focused on areas and people who commit the most crime.
If they were ever to admit that they'll say it's because of white supremacy and systemic racism.


A white person is 27x more likely to be a victim of violent crime by a black person than vice versa.
Instead of blaming the bad black people who have created this environment you're blaming the white victims who simply react to the reality for their own safety.

It's posts like this that remind everyone what your priorities really are. Instead of taking a moment to condemn clear and obvious racism, you use it as an opportunity to push your same tired political agenda. You don't care that a woman got attacked and traumatized...you don't care that a terrible event has poisoned her mind...all you care about is owning the libs on the Internet. Sad.

 

[JessFR]

I just unblocked the fella you’re referring to @Deru

Lol, yeah I have him blocked too. Sadly the ignore function has its limits.

 

[Deru]

Am I missing out here lol? Maybe I need to use that feature as well, now I feel bad I've been forcing everyone to read those comments.... I literally had no idea

 

[JGrimez]

It's posts like this that remind everyone what your priorities really are. Instead of taking a moment to condemn clear and obvious racism, you use it as an opportunity to push your same tired political agenda. You don't care that a woman got attacked and traumatized...you don't care that a terrible event has poisoned her mind...all you care about is owning the libs on the Internet. Sad.

Lemme ask you something.
A person is walking and they encounter 2 paths going in a similar direction.
One path has a group of white people and one path has a group of black people.
That person has done their due diligence and researched and knows that they're far more likely to be a victim of crime at the hands of a black person.
They select the path with the white people.
Is that person racist?

 

[mal3volent]

Yeah.

 

[empeebee]

One path has a group of white people and one path has a group of black people

You have stated a number of intelligent points in this thread Grimey, but this one really is way too binary to be taken seriously. We do not live in binary world where you can choose to exclusively interact with white, black, brown. yellow or green.

We need to accept that we live in diverse cultures of race, religion, wealth, sexual preference, etc. How we, as individuals, adapt to this diversity is up to us as individuals and/or as a society.

 

[empeebee]

I was stabbed last year by a black man because I would not give him a measly $70 worth of clothes that I just bought. If I was not in a populated area, I would have bled out.

I do not play with blacks as a result. I never will. I do not want anything bad to happen to them, or see them differently as people, I simply will not be around them. Am I wrong?

Jackie, as you lay there bleeding out, if the only person who could have helped you was black would you tell them not to help you? If the paramedics who attended had been black would you have told them to piss off?

 

[empeebee]

For eg if you legitimately believe we're in a pandemic and yet you still go out to protest police then you are a mindless puppet.

Classifying or labeling people as mindless puppets is perhaps too much of a generalization. Those people feeling strongly about a particular cause should be permitted to attend a protest (not I say 'should be permitted to' not 'have the right to'). What these folk should bear in mind is that they are acting for themselves as part of a collective. They should also bear in mind, in this time of pandemic, is that they also jeopardizing the health and well-being of other innocent, non-involved parties which IMO has a greater priority. I think the right to life (note I say 'right' not permission) overrules the permission to protest.

 

[empeebee]

I honestly don't believe taking away cops guns or issuing them selectively is a good solution. It's a bandaid solution. A lot better would be reforming hiring and training practices entirely so we can have more confidence in all current police.

Let me phase this differently then. A cop is given the keys to a cruiser to drive around the 'hood. Cop has a few drinks to the extent they are legally intoxicated. Cop gets involved in a car chase in which cop runs down and kills pedestrian. Should cop be allowed to continue the chase? Should cop be given keys again in the future without some sort of monitoring or ongoing psyche evaluation program?