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Police Brutality Thread

I counted 8 helicopters in the sky last night and 1 drone around 1am.
So the bystander that was shot the other day aperently shot at police first (it was recorded).
They looted a Kroger's(grocery store) and shot the living hell out of an ATM machine.
 
not really. i'm not asking anybody to protect me. i'll live with - and accept responsibility for - the choice i've made to not own a gun.
I have to admit it's a little satisfying to see record numbers of guns being bought mostly by first-time buyers including many who would've previously argued for gun control.
The people who lived in this bubble of invulnerability thinking that the government was their friend and would always make sure that the police were able to be sent around to protect them if someone was to harm them.
Those people didn't give a fuck about others who knew how important and real were the reasons for them wishing to own a gun for self-protection.

i've been told, by multiple gun owners, that the primary, even sole, reason for owning a weapon is to fight government tyranny.
Maybe they mean overall as a concept, which is simply protecting yourself and your family but extrapolated to a higher level against an organized government as opposed to an individual attacker.
A lot of people would own a gun and never use one and that's how they'd prefer it. But what we're learning now is that it's better to have one and not need one than the opposite.

gwb's torching of the 4th amendment wasn't enough so maybe the president's threat to deploy u.s. troops to the streets of america is enough? i'm trying to understand what level of tyranny is required before those people put their money where their mouth is.
The reason you don't understand now is because you never bothered to try and understand previously (or you considered the reasons preposterous). You constantly adhere to black and white thinking and deliberately ignore nuance. Most people in America right now want the National Guard to quell the riots (a small % want the military). People don't want military on the streets but they also understand somewhat where this civil unrest is coming from. If Trump sent out troops to seize people's guns then they would rise up and fight back.

They won't do anything unless the government is literally right at their doorstep, and many won't even do anything then.
If the government tried to seize all guns you might be surprised how many people would rather fight and die than let that happen.

Personally, while I believe that people should have a right to own a gun. I think the whole "protecting against tyranny" rational is complete crap.
Why do you think it's crap? 262 million people were murdered by their own governments just last century. That's historically documented. What kind of fake bubble of reality have you placed yourself in to think that we've somehow transcended the terror of history and have evolved into some new species where this couldn't happen again?

If there really were the need to fight against government tyranny. Not having legal guns won't stop people from doing it. And I don't believe the government is any less likely to go down that road because of an armed populace, because... Well.. They haven't!
Look at how many regimes disarmed their populations before they went full-Hitler and then go listen to the rhetoric of some Democrats on gun control. Your logic is completely flawed but at least you're pro-gun. The biggest impediment to a totalitarian government taking over (pick up a history book) is a well-armed citizenry.

i do not own any weapons.
You have the right to leave yourself completely defenseless but I do wonder why some people wish to force that situation onto others? You want every decent individual to be equally fucked?

MORE violence is not the way to quell the protests or rioting
It's annoying how people constantly conflate protesters with rioters.
Peaceful protesting (even if people have been misled by deceptive media) should be allowed.
Unfortunately sometimes the only way to deal with rioters is by a show of force. The people that are destroying the lives of good, normal people need to be stopped.
That rioter who shot and killed that young black woman by indiscriminately firing into a crowd - how would you go about stopping someone like that?
 
To Grimez's post... yeah of course most cops killed by civilians are killed by black people. Black people are terrified of them and have been systematically targeted by cops and in a broader sense, by the system. Black people worry that a traffic stop will lead to murder. And so cops are scared of black people too. It's sensible for them to both be afraid of each other, and is in fact indicative of the race issue, rather than being some sort of evidence that there isn't one. I've never met a white person who fears being murdered out of hand by the cops if they aren't active threatening their lives. Suggesting that protesting racial police brutality is worsening race relations is absurd. What's worsening race relations is the continued refusal of much of America to even so much as acknowledge that there is an issue.

I agree with like half of what you said. Being terrified of cops is no reason to shoot cops. That's actually a ridiculous justification. Unfortunately there is a sub-culture that exists in some criminal communities that makes it cool to kill police (just listen to some gangster rap). Going to jail is a badge of honor in some circles. This is a problem not many want to admit.

We've ALL been targeted by the system. If we were ever to unite as people against the true oppression then they'd be fucked. That's why they've got us arguing over race and making it a "whites oppressing blacks" thing. It's become politically incorrect to discuss all the facets of this problem. I would be nervous if a cop stopped me simply because some cops are either really stupid, really corrupt or just plain psychopathic assholes (I believe Chauvin was all three).

I was recently talking with a black friend from Chicago and he (surprisingly) told me that he's never really had any issues with police based on his race. And he said whenever he did have a negative interaction with police that it was generally a black officer who was giving him shit. He was really switched on and open about all the issues but he said he would very rarely talk with other people there as openly as he was discussing it with me.

But for about 1 hour, I actually was impressed with Biden.
I'm just impressed to hear that Biden was able to speak for 1 hour.

I hope in the future, cops will be outfitted with technologies that might allow them to better handle sensitive situations like this. Many people they deal with are "sick", and volatile in action. And if they're handled wrong, it could lead to their death (police officer and suspect). I'm thinking things that might monitor heart-rate, respiration, oxygen levels, and perhaps greater.

Perhaps also sensitivity training. And stress-monitoring.
This is what I would hope to see happen. So many fatal incidents would happen because cops treat every situation more or less the same and don't think enough about the mental and physical state of their subject.
The (white) guy I knew who was choked to death by police had some pretty serious psyche issues. I'm sure it was a situation that escalated when it didn't need to and he could've been subdued without being killed.
 
I'm the biggest anti-conspiracy theory type person you will ever meet. But honestly, you're not wrong here, and there are countries that are probably loving every moment of this - and possibly making plans on how to take advantage, should the opportunity arise.

And look who is ultimately responsible for it all.

Donald Trump.

lol dude. There has been a globalist plan to institute a one-world government for decades (maybe even centuries) and you're blaming it all on Trump.
I thought the American empire was evil and white, so shouldn't Trump be heralded for ushering in its collapse?

I dont know who is to blame but it is definitely, a global inevitability. Just as much as I find fault with us culture, its sadens me to think this iwill happen to good, decent people...fuck:/
The people who are to blame are unknown and hidden in shadows while we all direct our hate at their puppets (and at each other).
You are correct that you sense the walls are closing in. However the hidden oppressors will expose themselves and eventually there will be a positive natural transformation. Unfortunately it seems many people will suffer and die in the process.
 
"This video has been pulled down as fast as it has been put back up on social media. Plot twist, this was recorded in October 2017. Chaziel Sunz was one of the Ferguson BLM organisers who left the group, and it’s eerily predictive to right now. One might say he sounds like Nostradamus."

 
This guy was barely injured and was chasing a large group of people around with a sword.

He even went on Twitter and said how stupid it was to do what he did and how he didn't think it through.

Fair point. I didn't realize he was that same sword vs mob idiot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

How about this one?

 
Ye like I said, start shooting them.
I’d give 100 looters for that retired police captain.
Just watchin shops cars and houses being smashed and burned. Fuckin stupid.
Black lives matter and do their cars homes and businesses.
 
lol dude. There has been a globalist plan to institute a one-world government for decades (maybe even centuries) and you're blaming it all on Trump.
I thought the American empire was evil and white, so shouldn't Trump be heralded for ushering in its collapse?

Interesting how you conveniently cut off my post there so your could argue nonsense. Don't take my words out of context.

Thanks.
 
Fair point. I didn't realize he was that same sword vs mob idiot. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

How about this one?



That's incredibly sad. Did this just happen?

I'll admit too with the machete guy, he was laying pretty nasty - I thought for sure he was dead or on the verge of death when I saw the video for the first time.
 
Just watched them burn a homeless mans mattress and shelter. Absolute wankers.
 
^some people donated and bought the homeless guy some gear. He was happy as Larry

 
Ye like I said, start shooting them.
I’d give 100 looters for that retired police captain.
Just watchin shops cars and houses being smashed and burned. Fuckin stupid.
Black lives matter and do their cars homes and businesses.

Since you don't even live in this country, I'll just keep your unwanted, non-understanding opinion noted.

I do understand the anger when there is no context for the root cause and the dynamics and nuances of it.
 
Since you don't even live in this country, I'll just keep your unwanted, non-understanding opinion noted.

I do understand the anger when there is no context for the root cause and the dynamics and nuances of it.
I live in England and there’s a call for people to go and kneel on their doorstep at a certain time to show support for the protesters.
 
^some people donated and bought the homeless guy some gear. He was happy as Larry



This one is complex. First of all, anyone who politicized this by using "radical left", is already not on good ground.

Second of all, at least two of these people were in law enforcement of some type - representing, symbolically, the system and it's inherent problems.

I'm not arguing their lives didn't matter in any way shape of form.

I'm just saying it's complicated, much more than this Tweet would lead one to believe.
 
I think I will do it too. Will that mean I understand?

No, but we will appreciate the support. Sometimes you don't need to understand something fully to help a good cause.

Although, it seems ironic to protest something you don't believe in - but again, we'll take it.
 
No, but we will appreciate the support. Sometimes you don't need to understand something fully to help a good cause.
Well that’s blatantly obvious watching what’s going on in ur country.
I could get behind it if it was targeting law enforcement or government but why burn down someone’s house or shop that’s nothing to do with it
 
Well that’s blatantly obvious watching what’s going on in ur country.
I could get behind it if it was targeting law enforcement or government but why burn down someone’s house or shop that’s nothing to do with it

I think the issue is, the message of the peaceful protestors - for some people who don't understand the nuances of how our country operates (and some even live in this country) - is sometimes being overshadowed by the looters and rioters who don't neccesarily represent, or even care, about what the message is we are protesting for and are using this for selfish benefit and/or to vent anger, further complicated from months of lockdown from the pandemic.

Now, to be fair, most of the mass protesting lately has been peaceful and some of the early looting and insane anger and rioting has slowly taperd off.

The one caveat I'll add here, is I do think burning down Minneapolis Police District 3 was necessary, symbolically, to really further catapult the cause. Sometimes, after centuries of no change, words just don't mean anything anymore.

I do think, and have always thought, the looting and destruction of black owned businesses in these communities is a shame. Honestly, any of the businesses, black owned or otherwise, is a shame.
 
I think the issue is, the message of the peaceful protestors - for some people who don't understand the nuances of how our country operates (and some even live in this country) - is sometimes being overshadowed by the looters and rioters who don't neccesarily represent, or even care, about what the message is we are protesting for and are using this for selfish benefit and/or to vent anger, further complicated from months of lockdown from the pandemic.

Now, to be fair, most of the mass protesting lately has been peaceful and some of the early looting and insane anger and rioting has slowly taperd off.

The one caveat I'll add here, is I do think burning down Minneapolis Police District 3 was necessary, symbolically, to really further catapult the cause. Sometimes, after centuries of no change, words just don't mean anything anymore.

I do think, and have always thought, the looting and destruction of black owned businesses in these communities is a shame. Honestly, any of the businesses, black owned or otherwise, is a shame.
Ye I agree. Protesting is one thing but just beating people and robbing is something else.
I would t want a protester to be injured but I’m hoping some of the looters get shot or jail.
Hopefully some of the armed business owners defending their shops put a few down.

I’m glad u said all businesses and not just black ones lol
 
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