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Police Brutality Thread

America and its citizens, have been slowly eroded into thinking they dont matter but for a political cause; the culture has been obliterated to create decent and made citizens feel/be invisible) The horror of a political system that is easy for someone like me to point out., as am not there). The political antagonism on the us is one of the worst human injustices - its a psych war on citizens - hence drug wars and tent cities - sad that no-one has raised this issue- in the political sphere- as they are swimming in it. :(

A drugged democracy, is a tractable, one.


Heat break for the manipulation of the US.
 
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Who says anyone innocent would be killed in crossfire?
u can’t just assume that.
curfew then give green light to shoot the scummy fuckers.

What is wrong with you, seriously? A minor civil disobedience to a promulgated rule, not even a law, you think gives the right for police to use excessive force to kill someone?

So should people who get a minor speeding ticket also be eligible to be killed by police in your, incredibly, severely flawed mind?

What in the hell is wrong with you?

Do you have any clue how our country works?
 
Soso is British, by the way. But yeah, I can't agree with that attitude at all. I don't really see how non-Americans can really judge what's going on over here.

I think that the looters hurting and killing innocent people is horrible. I also think we've reached a tipping point and I understand doing something about it. I don't understand why people can't stick to targeting the system and not overflow onto innocents. It's human nature I guess, mobs are dangerous and a lot of people are fucked up.

To Grimez's post... yeah of course most cops killed by civilians are killed by black people. Black people are terrified of them and have been systematically targeted by cops and in a broader sense, by the system. Black people worry that a traffic stop will lead to murder. And so cops are scared of black people too. It's sensible for them to both be afraid of each other, and is in fact indicative of the race issue, rather than being some sort of evidence that there isn't one. I've never met a white person who fears being murdered out of hand by the cops if they aren't active threatening their lives. Suggesting that protesting racial police brutality is worsening race relations is absurd. What's worsening race relations is the continued refusal of much of America to even so much as acknowledge that there is an issue.
 
Look at the Administration. Look at these crooks who blatantly lie to the people on a daily basis. This terrible human being elected President.

Perhaps this is what America needs. Maybe this is the Purge.
 
Look at the Administration. Look at these crooks who blatantly lie to the people on a daily basis. This terrible human being elected President.

Perhaps this is what America needs. Maybe this is the Purge.

Trump desperately needs to go. All he does is throw more fire on the fire with his ignorant, inciteful words and then sits back and tries to politicize this by blaming all the Democratic officals.

This article perfectly sums up what Trump is threatening to do with the Insurrection Act.

 
“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

It's interesting the people who keep saying riots and protests are against our core values as Americans, how disconnected they are from how we overthrew a tyrannical government and British control they had to become the United States of America. Our country was founded on this.

Right of revolution:

"Increasingly, as Americans included it in their constitutions, the right of revolution came to be seen as a constitutional principle permitting the people as the sovereign to control government and revise their constitutions without limit."
 
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Soso is British, by the way. But yeah, I can't agree with that attitude at all. I don't really see how non-Americans can really judge what's going on over here.

I think that the looters hurting and killing innocent people is horrible. I also think we've reached a tipping point and I understand doing something about it. I don't understand why people can't stick to targeting the system and not overflow onto innocents. It's human nature I guess, mobs are dangerous and a lot of people are fucked up.

To Grimez's post... yeah of course most cops killed by civilians are killed by black people. Black people are terrified of them and have been systematically targeted by cops and in a broader sense, by the system. Black people worry that a traffic stop will lead to murder. And so cops are scared of black people too. It's sensible for them to both be afraid of each other, and is in fact indicative of the race issue, rather than being some sort of evidence that there isn't one. I've never met a white person who fears being murdered out of hand by the cops if they aren't active threatening their lives. Suggesting that protesting racial police brutality is worsening race relations is absurd. What's worsening race relations is the continued refusal of much of America to even so much as acknowledge that there is an issue.

Listen, you can post on a board but globally, there is a war coming. Apologies if I sound tin-foil-hat-esque but the US is so weak right now, in terms of idology and being divided - it is/has been primed for attack, for some time.
The fenytal, the covid and the divisive ideologies ( ad goveranance)- leave the US open atm. Think of the years of wars, on the east, and retribution now.... :(

Look after yourself and your family. Sad that you can not see this coming.
 
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I thought Biden's speech this morning was impressive.

I did too. And then he does what he always does, and when he can't read from a written speech, put his foot in his mouth.

But for about 1 hour, I actually was impressed with Biden. That is what this country expects in a leader, make people want to come together. Don't be like an insecure, want to be dictator like Trump and constantly try to flex his power and threaten the foundation of what makes this country great.
 
Apologies if I sound tin-foil-hat-esque but the US is so weak right now, in terms of idology and being divided - it is/has been primed for attack, for some time.
The fenytal, the covid and the divisive ideologies ( ad goveranance)- leave the US open atm. Think of the years of wars, on the east, and retribution now.... :(

I'm the biggest anti-conspiracy theory type person you will ever meet. But honestly, you're not wrong here, and there are countries that are probably loving every moment of this - and possibly making plans on how to take advantage, should the opportunity arise.

And look who is ultimately responsible for it all.

Donald Trump.

It's our own fault for how our ideals have fallen so far and electing someone like this to begin with.

To be clear, it's not his fault for these events happening. It's his fault for being a piss poor leader and not knowing how to respond and lead us out of this mess, as a united whole - but further keeps dividing us.

To hear Biden's speech today reminded me of what it was like to have a real President who could lead and unite.
 
George Floyd once broke into a woman's house and robbed her at gunpoint, holding a gun to her abdomen. I can't confirm the truth of this additional thing I heard - that the woman was pregnant - but this was also relayed. A union chief came out calling him a violent criminal. The report of his violent act against an innocent woman is documented/on-record, and frankly I do not at all morn the death of anyone who in aggression does this - he probably should have been hanged then, or his hand cut off, to teach him a lesson. He was on fentanyl (lowered respiration, lower blood oxygen levels/hypoxia) and meth at the time his death and had cardiovascular problems. People watched two videos of his arrest, where there is at least 10 minutes of time between the two, where we don't see anything; people assumed, like idiots, that because they couldn't see him resisting arrest, that he didn't. It went viral. Reports say he did, and was being combative/resistant, refusing to get in the vehicle. He was hyped up, on drugs, distressed, flailing. He was 6 foot 4, and strong. As they held him there on the ground, they had already called in an ambulance - if I read what I read right (I'll certainly look again, so should you).

While I do think the cops could have perhaps helped to prevent his death, his own anger/frustration, and state of health including poly-drug use at the time, including fentanyl something that kills many people anyway, are probably more the cause of his death than any unsightly move that is employed without much problem in Swedish and Israeli police/military forces. I considered when I wrestled with why the police would continue holding him down, after he said "I can't breath", that he had been resisting, and had been unstable, and they were afraid if they lost control of him, even with handcuffs, he might bolt, causing further problems. He was meth-ed up. He was 6 foot 4 and stronger than any of them. They didn't know him. I am not calling this "murder", but I also keep wrestling, wanting to say there was something else that could be done.

I hope in the future, cops will be outfitted with technologies that might allow them to better handle sensitive situations like this. Many people they deal with are "sick", and volatile in action. And if they're handled wrong, it could lead to their death (police officer and suspect). I'm thinking things that might monitor heart-rate, respiration, oxygen levels, and perhaps greater.

Perhaps also sensitivity training. And stress-monitoring.



Chauvin will be exonerated (not really expecting this, not saying he should not receive some punishment/reprimand for not controlling the situation, for leading to someone's death, just throwing it out there, to contra with mob-consensus).

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Memorializing him, they are- GoFundMe fundraiser has raised close to 2 million. Places are on fire (for him?). I doubt this was the only incident in his history. Special privileges, poor abused puppy.
 
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I'm the biggest anti-conspiracy theory type person you will ever meet. But honestly, you're not wrong here, and there are countries that are probably loving every moment of this - and possibly making plans on how to take advantage, should the opportunity arise.

And look who is ultimately responsible for it all.

Donald Trump.

It's our own fault for how our ideals have fallen so far and electing someone like this to begin with.

To be clear, it's not his fault for these events happening. It's his fault for being a piss poor leader and not knowing how to respond and lead us out of this mess, as a united whole - but further keeps dividing us.

To hear Biden's speech today reminded me of what it was like to have a real President who could lead and unite.
I dont know who is to blame but it is definitely, a global inevitability. Just as much as I find fault with us culture, its sadens me to think this iwill happen to good, decent people...fuck:/
 
i've been told, by multiple gun owners, that the primary, even sole, reason for owning a weapon is to fight government tyranny.
Well, you know a lot of crazy mofos then.
I have many rifles and shotguns. They are all for hunting moose and maple syrup.
But, Americans do seen to have a very different reason for having a massive personal arsenal. What kinda hunting you do with a full auto m4a1 anyway, Eh? Must be some crazy dangerous deer out there, lol.
 
George Floyd once broke into a woman's house and robbed her at gunpoint, holding a gun to her abdomen. I can't confirm the truth of this additional thing I heard - that the woman was pregnant - but this was also relayed. A union chief came out calling him a violent criminal. The report of his violent act against an innocent woman is documented/on-record, and frankly I do not at all morn the death of anyone who in aggression does this - he probably should have been hanged then, or his hand cut off, to teach him a lesson. He was on fentanyl (lowered respiration, lower blood oxygen levels/hypoxia) and meth at the time his death and had cardiovascular problems. People watched two videos of his arrest, where there is at least 10 minutes of time between the two, where we don't see anything; people assumed, like idiots, that because they couldn't see him resisting arrest, that he didn't. It went viral. Reports say he did, and was being combative/resistant, refusing to get in the vehicle. He was hyped up, on drugs, distressed, flailing. He was 6 foot 4, and strong. As they held him there on the ground, they had already called in an ambulance - if I read what I read right (I'll certainly look again, so should you).

While I do think the cops could have perhaps helped to prevent his death, his own anger/frustration, and state of health including poly-drug use at the time, including fentanyl something that kills many people anyway, are probably more the cause of his death than any unsightly move that is employed without much problem in Swedish and Israeli police/military forces. I considered when I wrestled with why the police would continue holding him down, after he said "I can't breath", that he had been resisting, and had been unstable, and they were afraid if they lost control of him, even with handcuffs, he might bolt, causing further problems. He was meth-ed up. He was 6 foot 4 and stronger than any of them. They didn't know him. I am not calling this "murder", but I also keep wrestling, wanting to say there was something else that could be done.

I hope in the future, cops will be outfitted with technologies that might allow them to better handle sensitive situations like this. Many people they deal with are "sick", and volatile in action. And if they're handled wrong, it could lead to their death (police officer and suspect). I'm thinking things that might monitor heart-rate, respiration, oxygen levels, and perhaps greater.

Perhaps also sensitivity training. And stress-monitoring.



Chauvin will be exonerated (not really expecting this, not saying he should not receive some punishment/reprimand for not controlling the situation, for leading to someone's death, just throwing it out there, to contra with mob-consensus).

101498232_10216650089837674_2711408069371232256_o.jpg


Memorializing him, they are- GoFundMe fundraiser has raised close to 2 million. Places are on fire (for him?). I doubt this was the only incident in his history. Special privileges, poor abused puppy.



You are entirely incorrect in your statement that the cops didn't know him. "Officer" Chauvin worked with him as a bouncer at a club. I don't know about what, if any, animosity existed between the two, but the two definitely knew each other.

Also, two separate autopsies determined that his death was a homicide...
 
I didn't know for sure that they knew him.

Actually, it does look really bad.

But I argue again, that I didn't see the struggle. I just watched another video where it seemed to show an officer struggling, probably when they were trying to put him in the car. Perhaps he kicked Chauvin, or another officer, or tried to. Perhaps this made them, well, go into a mode where they pinned him down.

But when he was really having trouble breathing, they should have been able to tell, and let up.

But - was it racial? Is all this - this way organization, justified? Can't it just be about police being brutal in this one case - not being an opportunity to make white people grovel and draw attention to this movement that inflates actual numbers of police excess on blacks, killings, in view, when whites are more likely to die at the hands of police, all things considered?

Ever watch the video of Daniel Shaver being gunned down by cops? It would suck if the guy was black! And if it happened now! You better believe it!

I think I got lost in the chaos. I put it away, after seeing one video. It wasn't very long. I wanted to wait - I guess, for the story to not be "viral" and not yet investigated by professionals. Damn. How enlightening.

There is a problem now that every time something happens between us, there is a box you check, or not (was the victim black? - if so...), and that is scrutinized as an extra possible determinant. Always looking for it. It asks you the question. You seek to answer it. We all become so self-conscious.
 
Well, you know a lot of crazy mofos then.
I have many rifles and shotguns. They are all for hunting moose and maple syrup.
But, Americans do seen to have a very different reason for having a massive personal arsenal. What kinda hunting you do with a full auto m4a1 anyway, Eh? Must be some crazy dangerous deer out there, lol.
Lol.... 99.9% of Americans don't have a full auto anything.... or the 20k in disposable income it takes to buy one....
 
There is a problem now that every time something happens between us, there is a box you check, or not (was the victim black? - if so...), and that is scrutinized as an extra possible determinant. Always looking for it. It asks you the question. You seek to answer it. We all become so self-conscious.

There is so much more happening than the mere perception of it being racial. It happens all over this country, it is a systemic problem. What is happening with racist police is just one manifestation, or symptom, of the root cause.

What happened with George Floyd is only the tip of the iceberg.

It's so much more than trying to frame single incidents into being being racially motivated.

Some may be truly caused due to racism, some not. That's not the point. The point is there are too many caused due to systemic racism, whether it's perceived that way or not - or even known publicly. Because therein lies the rub, this happens every day, without the cameras rolling and unavailable for public scrutiny.

Treat the disease, the root cause, not just the symptoms. Although, in this case, treating some of the symptoms alone would be a huge step forward
 
George Floyd once broke into a woman's house and robbed her at gunpoint, holding a gun to her abdomen. I can't confirm the truth of this additional thing I heard - that the woman was pregnant - but this was also relayed. A union chief came out calling him a violent criminal. The report of his violent act against an innocent woman is documented/on-record, and frankly I do not at all morn the death of anyone who in aggression does this - he probably should have been hanged then, or his hand cut off, to teach him a lesson. He was on fentanyl (lowered respiration, lower blood oxygen levels/hypoxia) and meth at the time his death and had cardiovascular problems. People watched two videos of his arrest, where there is at least 10 minutes of time between the two, where we don't see anything; people assumed, like idiots, that because they couldn't see him resisting arrest, that he didn't. It went viral. Reports say he did, and was being combative/resistant, refusing to get in the vehicle. He was hyped up, on drugs, distressed, flailing. He was 6 foot 4, and strong. As they held him there on the ground, they had already called in an ambulance - if I read what I read right (I'll certainly look again, so should you).

While I do think the cops could have perhaps helped to prevent his death, his own anger/frustration, and state of health including poly-drug use at the time, including fentanyl something that kills many people anyway, are probably more the cause of his death than any unsightly move that is employed without much problem in Swedish and Israeli police/military forces. I considered when I wrestled with why the police would continue holding him down, after he said "I can't breath", that he had been resisting, and had been unstable, and they were afraid if they lost control of him, even with handcuffs, he might bolt, causing further problems. He was meth-ed up. He was 6 foot 4 and stronger than any of them. They didn't know him. I am not calling this "murder", but I also keep wrestling, wanting to say there was something else that could be done.

I hope in the future, cops will be outfitted with technologies that might allow them to better handle sensitive situations like this. Many people they deal with are "sick", and volatile in action. And if they're handled wrong, it could lead to their death (police officer and suspect). I'm thinking things that might monitor heart-rate, respiration, oxygen levels, and perhaps greater.

Perhaps also sensitivity training. And stress-monitoring.



Chauvin will be exonerated (not really expecting this, not saying he should not receive some punishment/reprimand for not controlling the situation, for leading to someone's death, just throwing it out there, to contra with mob-consensus).

101498232_10216650089837674_2711408069371232256_o.jpg


Memorializing him, they are- GoFundMe fundraiser has raised close to 2 million. Places are on fire (for him?). I doubt this was the only incident in his history. Special privileges, poor abused puppy.


was he ever convicted of that? If he was, do people not have the ability to turn their lives around? Did he deserve to die with his head on the asphalt 13 years later?
 
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