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Police Brutality Thread

JGrimez said:
Entire Florida city's SWAT team resigns after police chief kneels with protesters
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Despicable, they should just completely resign - same as the one's in Buffalo. Great opportunity to filter out the bad apples.

If any of these officers are disillusioned to think anyone will care or the department doesn't have contingency plans for these scenarios, they'd probably be better off finding work in a different field. Maybe a greeter at a store or something more within their capabilities.
 
French cops dropping their gear and it seems walking off of the job following the Interior Minister accusing them of racism in the context of the riots they've been trying to police.
Seems a lot of LEOs are just quitting these days. I wonder if the pathocrats have considered the consequences of alienating the violence specialists who enforce their rule?

 
Deru said:
Other cities have already done this, and there is definitely more than one way forward - and if they do it right, they could set a great precedence for the rest of the country. I think it's too early to say for sure what way is the best, but they are researching and discussing these exact issues right now. I have too many conflicting ideas to really offer a definitive answer at this point, but I'll say this, I do believe there is a better way forward - it's just going to take some work to hammer out the nuances and details.

Patterson, NJ is the only one that comes to mind. I'll see which others I can look up, but I'd be very interested in crime statistics before and after.
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Deru said:
I get what you're saying, but when the majority is threatening societal disruption, they get listened to. It's inevitable.
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Emphasis mine, response below.

jackie jones said:
Look at all the white people standing up for the black. Look at the percentages.

It is pretty neat.
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See below.

JGrimez said:
only 16% of Americans approve of defunding the police (only 33% of blacks)
65% of Americans oppose the measure.
80% of Americans want to maintain or increase funding for the police.
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To all three of these, I haven't seen numbers. I don't trust MSM or it's polls, so I'm not sure where a true picture can be obtained. But it 'feels' to me that the vocal group is a minority, and the majority of American's have been mostly silent. Aside from the conservative echo rooms, I look at the fractured existence between BLM and Antifa as something that will likely break rather than bond. And I don't see liberal or (middle) progressive America swarming in support. I see small Antifa pools flaring up, politicians buckling to MSM pressure, but not wholesale support of mainstream America saying 'yes, this is the time and this is the way'. I just don't see that yet.

Focusing solely on the BLM agenda, with the base assumption it is about ending systemic racism (and not as co-opted by others, including Antifa). This has been a mantra for what, a decade perhaps? It isn't going away, but it hasn't reached the point of forcing a clear change. There are some proposals being put forth, as I saw recently educators in DC putting in some required curriculum in their proposal. The question to me has been, and remains, WHAT specifically needs to be addressed and how to go about it. Until that becomes clear, and accepted by the true majority (likely in the voting booths), BLM will remain misunderstood and ineffective, IMO.
 
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mal3volent said:
1) (already been covered) Yes, the number of white people killed by cops is higher than the number of black people killed by cops. This statistic is meaningless unless you adjust the numbers based on population. If you do that, blacks only make up <14% of the US. Proportionally, blacks get killed way more often and it's not even close. These are just facts.
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Turning it to 'numbers based on population' we find the number of blacks killed by blacks far exceeds 14%. This number far exceeds the % of blacks killed by (white or black) cops. By population rates, this is without question the largest threat to the race. And yet, it's ignored. Why?

I expect an answer of 'systemic racism'. And while I'll agree with that answer, and I'll agree with any secondary comments that the conservative mindset puts too much personal responsibility upon those actions and ignores the bigger picture. But we are still left with the largest killer of blacks in America being....other blacks. Why is this not an issue? Where are any efforts at play to a) acknowledge this, and b ) address it?

mal3volent said:
these man on the street conservative videos where they ambush random protesters are very popular, and I don't blame the creators because they're just looking to make a buck. But if you are being honest with yourself, think about their editing process. They can freely cut out any interaction where they ended up looking bad, cherry pick the dumbest people they came across throughout their 10 hours of filming. It's not an accurate representation of anything really. It's just entertainment.
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This works both ways, but you know that. Though, if I remain honest about it, I think the right is way more productive at it....then again, their up against the MSM that's larger, been there longer, doing it longer. My point, however, is your statement is correct. For both sides.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Focusing solely on the BLM agenda, with the base assumption it is about ending systemic racism (and not as co-opted by others, including Antifa). This has been a mantra for what, a decade perhaps?
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It's not obvious I suppose, but the BLM agenda has never been about ending systemic racism. Most people realize that the complexity of the issue is that can't truly be ended, only dealt with.

It's the recognition that it exist to the extent that it will most likely never be completely abolished. The question is now what do we do about it?
 
w01fg4ng said:
It's the recognition that it exist to the extent that it will most likely never be completely abolished. The question is now what do we do about it?
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Even if not abolished, then addressed and improved, no? To change something, you have to name it, and define what 'better' is. So far, we have the name 'police brutality/racism' and the answer proposed is to abolish the police. We'll see this try out a few iterations, maybe we can find something better. I guess that's progress?
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Even if not abolished, then addressed and improved, no? To change something, you have to name it, and define what 'better' is. So far, we have the name 'police brutality/racism' and the answer proposed is to abolish the police. We'll see this try out a few iterations, maybe we can find something better. I guess that's progress?
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I agree, all we can do is address and improve. However, I don't think anyone (here) declared that the answer is as simple as abolishing the police.

The problem is bigger than the police.



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TheLoveBandit said:
I expect an answer of 'systemic racism'. And while I'll agree with that answer, and I'll agree with any secondary comments that the conservative mindset puts too much personal responsibility upon those actions and ignores the bigger picture. But we are still left with the largest killer of blacks in America being....other blacks. Why is this not an issue? Where are any efforts at play to a) acknowledge this, and b ) address it?
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I keep hearing that line, the black cops kill more blacks, etc etc. I've never seen an easily digestible, singular, point of data that shows me that. I'm not disputing it as of right now, but I would assume that if it's true it's due to the larger metropolitan areas where more crime naturally happens having a higher percentage of black cops.

I would love to see nationwide data broken down by race on the cop side AND the civilian side.

Thinking more broadly, I don't know if I've referred to this issue as white cops vs. blacks. Fairly sure it's always been cops vs. blacks , and that I've specifically pointed to institutional issues that are passed down to recruits of every race. It's definitely more of a cop issue than specifically a white cop issue.

That's why you don't see a push to defund majority-white police forces. It's ALL police. It's not like there's a narrative that majority minority police forces are benevolent or something.
 
That's the thing, if BLM were a legitimately anti-police brutality movement then they'd receive a lot more support.
But really what they're saying is - black lives matter more than other lives - plus we're going to call you racist if you bring up that black males commit disproportionately more crime.

That's why so many people dislike BLM and see through their fake agenda (if you donate to them it goes straight to Democrat campaigns)
 
w01fg4ng said:
the disconnect is real
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Yes the disconnect between equality and fair treatment from BLM supporters.
Why should a black person who has been brutalized by police be more important than a hispanic or white person who has been brutalized by police?

Alleged systemic racism vs provable higher rates of crime committed.
 
I don't even understand the point of your trolling.
Be clearer?
Are you a self-hating white btw? (the fact I'm allowed to ask this question proves my point)
 
Ive been roughed up by the cops and i wasnt resisting for a second and im white. A helicopter told me to lay on the street with my hands behind my back. I did as i was told and didnt flinch and they kneed me for no reason breaking two ribs and grinding my face into the pavement. If i had fought back they would have killed me or fucked me up. Of course theyd be tougher on a black guy. Honestly i never felt that i had been a victim of injustice, the police in the US are just pretty aggressive (especially in this city).

I know it sounds like boot licking but the more resist the more they fuck you up. They are harsher on black people for sure. The problem is, unlike European police, the use of lethal force has less restrictions in the US. Black people will for sure get killed faster though.

I mean africans were brought here as slaves treated as property and were released, causing severe disenfranchisement. This is on going. Thus they resort to crime more and are punished and treated harsher.

The wounds take time to heal and will frankly never here entirely. When you bring people from 8,000 miles away to work as livestock on your farm there is gonna be essentially a unhealable wound.

Honestly i didnt feel much white privilege when they roughed be me while offering zero resistance but perhaps it would have been worse who knows.

Problem is black folk resist way more, and i get why, but it gets em killed.

When i first watched that George Floyd video im like goddamn this crowd is bystanders are telling this cop to stop and he's just gonna do the opposite. If they hadnt had been there he would have lived. Cant blame them though, they are reactive because someone in their family was once dragged to a farm against their will 300 years ago.
 
It amazes of that on a drug forum so many people are of a mind that the answer is "just suck up to the law and be more grateful you aren't shot where you stand!"

I get that some people might be arguing what you should do in your own interests rather than how society should actually work in theory, but a lot of it really seems to have this kinda victim blaming tone of "you shoulda let them fuck you over harder, that was your mistake! "
 
Yeah im not gonna fuck with a guy with a gun unless im looking to die.

You fuck with a guy with a license to kill on the slightest notice and theyll probably kill you

Youre right though, i suppose if you dont resist you might not precipitate change, even if it results in the loss of your life. I don't think alot of these resistors martyred themselves intentionally, it stems from a justified contempt for police, stemming further for their cause of being on this soil.

The bigger problem than this is that a small number of humans are more able than ever to kill, monitor and suppress a much larger group. Nuclear weapons, digital surveillance etc.

To what extent do we transcend the violent nature of other primates? I dunno....
 
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