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PNP and the Gay Community Discussion

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I would totally fag out if I could - but I can't - it's just not in me - dudes are gross and I don't wanna be or see a dude bent over

That just doesn't work for me on any drug
 
Gotta agree, if you have interest in same-sex activities when on a drug…you’re not 100% pure heterosexual. It does seem especially difficult for men who are only a little gay - basically only interested in same-sex activities when on drugs, and wouldn’t want to date a man - because society doesn’t really recognise such men. They don’t have a box they fit into as nearly as purely heterosexual or purely gay men.
There arguably are no "100% pure heterosexuals". It is a spectrum and it also depends how you approach that spectrum. Honestly, this thread is giving me "haha, ur gay" vibes.
 
PNP with specifically meth and G was a relatively niche thing until maybe 10 years ago where I am from, afaik. Now I know more men who use than who dont, and it changes people, very quickly.

I Stopped using heroin about 4 years ago and used meth daily for about 2 1/2 years(Ive since started using heroin again, meth was way too taxing on my brain, body and spirit......And wallet). In that time I put myself at so much risk of so many seriously life altering things, my mental health declined, just about every relationship with every person suffered. I began to wonder if I was a bad person because I began doing things for meth that I never did for heroin in 15 years. I began escorting and more often than actually doing the job id just rob the clients. I got into many physical fights, got assaulted and nearly killed a few times. I think ive been on meth EVERY SINGLE TIME ive been arrested which is around 10. I had sex with people I wouldnt go near with a 10 ft pole, I cheated on partners, I met absolutely terrible people with no regard for anyone often including themselves. I know 3 people who died from G. 1 G'd out on the road and got hit by a car, one was apparrently drugged with a lot put in her vagina while she was already unconscious, and the other drank 19ml im not sure if that was a suicide, a mental illness induced act of impulse or just not knowing what they were doing. I have over dosed seriously on it thrice. Once I stupidly used a bottle cap to dose and had around 8ml twice maybe 5 hours apart so 16ml in that time, on top of some heroin. I collapsed in the middle of the road. Luckily I hadnt gotten home yet or id be dead. The second time I took 2ml with some valium and the doses I took of both were not unusual for me. I woke up in the centre aisle of a train, with my partner crying over me, the emergency stop put on the train, paramedics around and police outside waiting to search me who had a pocket full of drugs and got charged with. A few weeks ago I was found in a bush and all I remember is coming to with an ambulance pulling up.
Meth has turned some of the smartest, nicest, most rational people ive known into nasty, raving lunatics that live to cause pain and hurt. Brought out serious mental health issues and LIES!!! Most meth users I know are the biggest fucking liars ive ever met and I hate it. Also people who you would never think would end up on the needle do so very quickly. I was tricked by an old friend, I had a rule that I would never give someone their first shot, but he lied and told me he had before and now hes one of the most horrible, addicted, in denial and full of blame people I know and I regretfully gave him his first shot. That is when I realised I can neither shoot up in front of people nor talk about the effects or that I do it because it doesnt take much for people to get curious and unfortunately ive been the catalyst of too many people ending up on the needle. Its not a great thing to be good at but I am THE master of hitting people with shit veins up but I no longer help anyone shoot up, if they cant do it themselves I dont care how bad they wanna fuck themselves up trying, the weight on my conscience is far too heavy and I refuse to take that on anymore.

Ive massively reduced my use of both, ive decided to no longer IV and only ever have 1.5ml of G at a time and def no other downers. Only have sex with my partner and dont do anything I wouldnt do sober. Im honestly shocked im not HIV+ because if I log onto grindr theres not many people I havent fucked within a 50+km range. My partner and I sed to go on grindr specifically to find people to use their drugs and then leave. Meth is just shame in a drug. And it is incredibly hard to imagine a life without meth sex now. I love making love to my partner sober but getting high and having sex with him when nothing goes wrong is fucking incredible and the only ting that beats it is the feeling of true love with no doubts, no lies and full trust and im so fucking lucky to have that. Im also lucky that my partner has given me the chance to change my behaviour because I dont deserve the level of trust and love he gives me after some of the fucked up things ive done but hes still here and I will never allow a drug to fuck with that relationship as long as I live. That man means more to me than everything in life combined and its honestly easy to not fuck up because I know the consequences, I know that if I do fuck up I dont have it in me to lie and my life is basically over and sorry if its insensitive but I may as well and I would just kill myself because that man healed me and directed me away from all the trouble that scene caused. If I let him down or hurt him I couldnt live with myself and I just know in my heart that at this point its basically impossible for me to break any of the boundaries weve set because im much too aware of the misery that would follow.

In saying all that, this week we are getting some meth and G, turning our phones off(no grindr) shutting ourselves in a motel and going to have the best chemsex ever. But that will be the first time in over 3 months that we have done it. I have used the drugs but not PNP. My partner is also older and has health problems and I will not allow him to worsen them by taking drugs.

I once knew a university professor. I met him at a huge gay festival, we shot meth, fucked stayed friends. He was fine, never developed a habit, used recreationally. At that time his partner didnt use at all. Fast forward a few years and his partner lost everything including his mind and his relationship and he was only smoking the meth. Strangely I find that often the IV users have their shit together more than the smokers. I know I go into psychosis quicker when I smoke it. I just cant IV anymore though, I overdo it and I do think oneday ill have a stroke after a shot thats too big.

PNP has taken Australia by storm, EVERYONE does it! Especially wealthy, intelligent businessmen with nice houses and husbands that they cheat on. Its fucking horrible shit, I hate it, I hate what its done to me and ppl I know and love. I hate how its affected my sexual confidence, my sex drive, I hate 99% of the things about it and 1% I enjoy. I can say the rush of some proper good shit that sends tingles over your scalp and have your eyes wobbling like an earthquake, fuck yeah I love that but everything from that point onward is shit and not worth it at all. I will have a ton of benzos after my binge next week.

P.S Yes I had 2 shots of meth today, though they are the only 2 ive had in roughly 3-4 months and I spent most of the time wishing I didnt do it and actually jut ended up using a ton of heroin to basically make myself come down so shut up lol
 
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There arguably are no "100% pure heterosexuals". It is a spectrum and it also depends how you approach that spectrum. Honestly, this thread is giving me "haha, ur gay" vibes.
There definitely are people who are exclusively attracted to one sex or the other. There's people who love pussy but hate dick and vice versa. Where certain body parts just turn you OFF.

Yeah as a bi guy myself I think a lot more people would probably be willing to test the waters a bit than are admitting it to themselves, but not everybody is on a sodding 'spectrum'. Sexuality is pretty clear-cut for lots of people.
 
Although PNP does exist in The Netherlands, it's still not very big.

I do it from time to time, but almost never with GHB/GBL.

The drugs don't worry me... much, it's the blasted STI's. Now I do have PreP, so I don't have to worry about HIV, but if I catch syphilis one more time, I just don't know what I will do. Or LGV. That sucked too.

It is possible to have safe chemsex, but the condoms are likely to come off anyway when you're high.
 
I was one of the very few of meth users in my area that didn't end up getting into the gay pnp lifestyle. It amazes me how masculine guys I knew eventually resorted to men. One kid i knew had a hot ass black girlfriend, a year later they were broken up and he lived in a gay trap with trannys and gay dudes doing sexual shit. The thought of a man's dick or butthole or lips anywhere near my body is absolutely such a turn off and nauseating
 
It's always existed, but had no label.

“The will to label will always prevail over what's being labeled, usually at the expense of either truth or understanding.”
-BR

I am slightly alarmed by people who blab on about how they think it 'disgusting'. Well, it's not like anyone is making YOU participate. What other adults do in private is entirely their business and not yours.

I cannot help reflect that Quentin Crisp noted 80+ years ago that some queers are really tough, some tought are really queer. If you feel the need to tell a room full of strangers just how heterosexual you are, something ain't right.
 
No I just think you're getting caught up in your emotions a little too much. I don't feel attracted to men and to meet disgusting that's all I said stop internalizing things. And for your information I had a sexual encounter with a gay friend and it was peer pressured on to me because I was homeless and he kept helping me and doing me favors and I felt obligated to let him give me a blowjob so there you have it I'm not some pro hetero sexual trying to push my hetero tendencies on anyone. If someone is straight the thought of gay sexual relationships would be a turn off correct? I was only talking about how all my friends turned gay after doing meth but somehow I didn't. Which my point was they had gay tendencies all along and I didn't. I hope you calm down after reading this because your acting a bit irrational. What do you want me to tell you that I enjoyed the blowjob from my gay friend so you don't feel offended that I was disgusted about it? Can't have it both ways my man
 
Absolutely. I have a few gay friends that I used to regularly smoke meth with, as a matter of fact I was introduced to it by a gay person. Why are you asking this? Did you misread something I said that caused you to comprehend something I said that I didn't? I'm by no means homophobic at all. I recently even mentioned that I had a sexual encounter with a gay friend I felt pressured by him as I was homeless and he bailed me out and got me off the streets. Yes he may of mentioned it in a joking manner but I took it very seriously and started to feel threatened of losing shelter and also like a. Burden. I was overwhelmed with peer pressure and his indirect jokes. I had a breakup and was ran out of my apartment by kids mother because she left me for a drug dealer that was gangbanging and it got very person real fast and besides the smear campaign my baby mother put on me and how she turned everyone against me this piece of shit took advantage of his affiliation and attempted to put a price on my head. I was being followed and terrorized everywhere I went being newly homeless. I ended up at a shelter and someone managed to put something in my food that gave me a seizure and I had to go to the hospital and they put me on a ventilator for three days. With that trauma fresh in my mind I was willing to do anything to avoid being vulnerable and isolated on the streets even if that meant letting my gay friend suck me off so he can mark that off his bucket list. I was terrified of the streets and wanted to hide wherever I can for safety. It's a long and fucking complicated situation I was In. So if anyone wants to say I turned gay on meth be my guest I did it out of fear for my life not because I had a tingle under my belt on meth and was curious
 
Absolutely. I have a few gay friends that I used to regularly smoke meth with, as a matter of fact I was introduced to it by a gay person. Why are you asking this? Did you misread something I said that caused you to comprehend something I said that I didn't? I'm by no means homophobic at all.

I believed you the first time.

Meth is infamously used by some homosexuals to get sex from (straight) men.

I doubt you would like my last batch of meth. I smoked a gram and still slept!
 
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Haha I figured out that mystery awhile ago. I took a seven day break and just yesterday picked up again and wow Im wired awake still havent slept. I'm debating on taking my risperdal to abort this mission because I cherish my sleep at night
 
I believed you the first time.

Meth is indamously used by some homosexuals to get sex from (straight) men.

I doubt you would like my last batch of meth. I smoked a gram and still slept!
Sorry for misunderstanding your post blame it on the meth Induced conspiracy theories my mind comes up with haha
 
I believed you the first time.

Meth is indamously used by some homosexuals to get sex from (straight) men.

I doubt you would like my last batch of meth. I smoked a gram and still slept!
Funny story when I was with my baby mom we were about to be homeless and lose our motel room and my friend gay jay called his other older gay buddy and for some reason he allowed us to live with him rent free while he worked overnights and then would sleep all day. The first night we arrived this fool put grinder ads on his big screen tv scrolling thru videos and played a video of some gay guy butt naked in the process of shooting meth then after he shot it he started sucking his fingers and sticking them up his ass. Me and my girlfriend side glanced each other absolutely mortified hahah. He finally caught the hint and passed the bowl to us and let us smoke the rest of the meth and he ran to his room. Months later my friend gay jay told me that the gay guy had it on his bucket list to get with me lol sorry old man no way and what did you think I was gonna allow you do have sex with me while my girl is on the couch smoking with us. Haha good times
 
Who we are and how we act may or may not be same. Motivation is key to our actions.
 
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