Flailing_Gypsy
Bluelighter
Sorry if this has already been discussed here, I imagine it would have been but I can't find anything. I'm really, really curious what your thoughts are about the whole MDMA/PMMA issue in Canada this year. For anyone who isn't aware, here in Canada one of the ingredients needed to create MDMA was banned this last December and I guess, basically, without that ingredient, instead of MDMA, PMMA/PMA is created. Not sure the exact details but that's the gist of it. PMMA is similar in effects to MDMA, but a much weaker high and can cause severe hyperthermia & death in some people with a genetic predisposition. Apparently the ingredient (which I believe is safrole) was banned after a lawsuit by a mother who lost her daughter to an 'over dose' of MDMA (since overdose is pretty uncommon, Im guessing there were other factors involved but I dont know the story at all). After the ban, we had 16 deaths from PMMA in Alberta and British Columbia in less than a month, and 40 people in critical condition. Perfect example of how prohibition is a mass failure... most, if not all, of those people would likely still be alive had that ban not been in place. It was really, really sad. At that point I decided it was probably a wise decision to stay away from MDMA for the time being. A lot of people missunderstood what was going on, and thought that it was just a toxic batch of MDMA going around, or that it was just pressed tabs. The police refused to make that info public which I think it criminal.
Anyways, since then (January 2012), there haven't been any deaths or even hospitalizations due to PMMA, as far as I know anyways. I still see a lot of people doing MDMA and they're fine. It doesn't make sense to me that there was this rash of deaths in that short period of time and now there hasn't been any. A lot of people did decide to stay away from MDMA but I would still definitely say that there are still more people doing it than not. Either way, you'd think there would be some incidences. I'm assuming that chemists have found a way around that chemical and around PMMA and that most of the 'MDMA' people are doing now is probably actually some type of MDMA related chemical with the same/similar effects. Or, someone at a rave last weekend thought that maybe they might be smuggling the missing ingredient in from the states. I think that's less likely though.
What are your thoughts?? Especially those of you living in Canada? I feel really strongly that the only logical conclusion is that the chemists, who obviously aren't out to harm people, are now creating something related to MDMA that doesn't require that ingredient. Obviously there is still possibility of PMMA being out there... there always was that possibility though even before this, and we really need to be aware and conscious of that but I'm starting to think that maybe things aren't quite as dangerous now and I might start doing MDMA again, and just be careful when I do, make sure I'm not somewhere too far from the hospital (once hyperthermia from PMMA sets in, you have 30-40 minutes to get to a hospital, it cant be treated outside of a hospital) and I'll always start off with a small amount, a pill or half a pill, and if I dont feel any effects, I wont do more... at least with a small amount like that, if it is PMMA and it does make me over heat, there is a better chance of surviving it when its a very low amount. I'm trying to be careful not to give myself (or anybody else) a false sense of security around this though because it is a really scary thing... it's infuriating because typically, less than 16 people die from 'ecstasy related' deaths in BC in a whole year (most of those deaths were not caused soley by ecstasy but usually by other factors like mixing alcohol and MDMA, etc) and thanks to prohibition, 16 people died in less than a month. How is that logical? AAHH. I hate it so much.
Anyways, any thoughts on this?? What do you think is going on? For those of you here in Canada, what has your experience been like, are you still doing M or are you abstaining for now? What have you been hearing about it all?
I haven't done MDMA since December and I've even stayed away from things like Foxy and other pressed pills, but I really, really miss it. MDMA changed my life and has brought me so much lasting healing. It makes me really sad to think about never doing it again, but I also don't want to be stupid. It's not worth dying over. I just really feel strongly that the newer batches of MDMA are something related and not PMMA. I know that a lot of chemists probably also have old stock ups of safrole and could be making MDMA with that but you'd think that there would still be SOME deaths...
Anyways, since then (January 2012), there haven't been any deaths or even hospitalizations due to PMMA, as far as I know anyways. I still see a lot of people doing MDMA and they're fine. It doesn't make sense to me that there was this rash of deaths in that short period of time and now there hasn't been any. A lot of people did decide to stay away from MDMA but I would still definitely say that there are still more people doing it than not. Either way, you'd think there would be some incidences. I'm assuming that chemists have found a way around that chemical and around PMMA and that most of the 'MDMA' people are doing now is probably actually some type of MDMA related chemical with the same/similar effects. Or, someone at a rave last weekend thought that maybe they might be smuggling the missing ingredient in from the states. I think that's less likely though.
What are your thoughts?? Especially those of you living in Canada? I feel really strongly that the only logical conclusion is that the chemists, who obviously aren't out to harm people, are now creating something related to MDMA that doesn't require that ingredient. Obviously there is still possibility of PMMA being out there... there always was that possibility though even before this, and we really need to be aware and conscious of that but I'm starting to think that maybe things aren't quite as dangerous now and I might start doing MDMA again, and just be careful when I do, make sure I'm not somewhere too far from the hospital (once hyperthermia from PMMA sets in, you have 30-40 minutes to get to a hospital, it cant be treated outside of a hospital) and I'll always start off with a small amount, a pill or half a pill, and if I dont feel any effects, I wont do more... at least with a small amount like that, if it is PMMA and it does make me over heat, there is a better chance of surviving it when its a very low amount. I'm trying to be careful not to give myself (or anybody else) a false sense of security around this though because it is a really scary thing... it's infuriating because typically, less than 16 people die from 'ecstasy related' deaths in BC in a whole year (most of those deaths were not caused soley by ecstasy but usually by other factors like mixing alcohol and MDMA, etc) and thanks to prohibition, 16 people died in less than a month. How is that logical? AAHH. I hate it so much.
Anyways, any thoughts on this?? What do you think is going on? For those of you here in Canada, what has your experience been like, are you still doing M or are you abstaining for now? What have you been hearing about it all?
I haven't done MDMA since December and I've even stayed away from things like Foxy and other pressed pills, but I really, really miss it. MDMA changed my life and has brought me so much lasting healing. It makes me really sad to think about never doing it again, but I also don't want to be stupid. It's not worth dying over. I just really feel strongly that the newer batches of MDMA are something related and not PMMA. I know that a lot of chemists probably also have old stock ups of safrole and could be making MDMA with that but you'd think that there would still be SOME deaths...
. This mother who faught and won for this ingredient to be banned no doubt had good intentions and really felt this was the way to help prevent any more deaths like her daughters but the sad truth is that it seriously backfired and more people died than ever would have had this lawsuit not happened. *sigh*