PMA - Inexperienced - It's... GOOD?!

[Irate_Scotsman]

Yeah, so basically every report I have ever read about PMA was written by someone who took waaaay too much, or took it mistaking it to be MDx or speed... and there doesn't seem to be any dosage guidelines on Erowid except "pushing 60mg can cause overheating" etc., while at the same time the PiHKAL entry decribes the dosage as something like 50-75 milligrams.

Well, I took PMA knowing that it was very pure high quality PMA, and lemme tell ya, it's actually quite excellent stuff! Now I am not ENCOURAGING anyone to go out and eat PMA, but my curiosity got the best of me tonight and it's panned out to be a rather incredible experience, so let me share it with you. Of course "every official warning says that you should never take PMA because it is evil base dirty and has the street name Chicken Power," but I digress...

PMA seems to be a fairly psychedelic, well-balanced, and calm stimulant in doses from 10-40 milligrams. I have heard only bad things about pushing the dosage past 40mg, and I don't see why there'd be any reason to actually surpass that level unless of course you were unscrupulously duped into eating some fake bikkies, which I definitely wasn't.

It is very clearing and integrative and while it can have a mild cardiac-push to it at the beginning it wasn't AT ALL the monster it seems to be portrayed as... it has very unique, detailed visuals which I can't say I've seen ANYWHERE else, and there is a deep letting go into the soma that feels very fluid, euphoric, and novel.

What I did tonight was I took 10mg of PMA orally, to see how I would react to such a dose, since there is literally NO data out there it seems... and considering the person who gave it to me and a friend of mine who has taken it before both reckon it's THE SHIT, I thought that it would be downright VALUABLE to contribute this information.

About 30 minutes went by when I started to feel a building pressure of warmth in my heart chakra which developed into a very similar feeling I have had from particularly visual 'MDx' tabs in the past, but NOT from pure MDMA.

Shulgin lists the duration as 'short' but I disagree. It seems to be a fairly long-lasting compound since it's not only a serotonin releaser but also an MAOI of some sort, and it takes a while to really kick in properly... which is the problem with it being passed off as "ecstasy."

An hour after dosing 10mg orally, I found myself thinking, "You know, this stuff is really intriguing and good, I might take 80mg of pure MDMA (w00t w00t Erowid warning Do Not Do This)." Which I did, and the MDMA came on in a way that basically has convinced me that many of the pills I have eaten, a lot of which were favourites of mine(!!), in the past were actually MDx/PMA combo tabs! (Easy to fool the testing kits with PMA)... it developed into a very lush, empathetic, characteristically visual 'roll' (I hate that term ) which seemed to last a fair while and were rather stimulanty if the need arose while at the same time being even more relaxed than pure MDMA would allow (yeah, sounds weird right... but it's what's happening).

I actually feel somewhat COLD at the moment, and it's 15 deg C and my temperature is normal, so I don't seem to be experiencing any problems with the notorious meltdown death syndrome, although who knows, my milage may vary!

Anyone else ever have a POSITIVE experience with PMA? Because it's apparently possible.
I've had perhaps 25mg in total, initially spaced out over two hours in two ten milligram lots, this is T+6:15 after the first one was taken, and I have yet to experience a SIDE EFFECT of any kind except being in a rather novel and therefore highly utilizable psychotherapeutic space!

Not what you'd expect! Please note that I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, I'm just sayin' that I'm tripping in a totally unique way and NOT melting a couple of cartloads of ice in the bathtub with my body.

I even IV'ed the last 5 milligrams I did.. and it seemed less disturbing to the system than the initial oral dose did.

"This is ridiculous..." or is it?

 

[Sprinklervibes]

A most intresting report Thanks

 

[Hypnic_JerK]

Good report, mythbuster

 

[Xorkoth]

Damn, who'd've thought? That's a most useful report. Thanks!

 

[Splatt]

Thanks man, appreciated! I'm always wondered bout this little chem.
So it was DEFINATELY PMA and not MDA or PMMA? Just had to ask just incase?

I will agree about PMA + MDMA mixtures though. they're more common in Australia than you would think (was even reported by Australian Police labs last year, with stats), and I would say the pressers keep the PMA in these pills to a low dose.

 

[Irate_Scotsman]

'Strewth, farkin' sick bikkies mate!

Yes, I know for certain that what I took was definitely very pure crystalline PMA and not either MDA (which I have rather extensive experience with) or PMMA (which I look forward to potentially tasting in the future, as well as PMEA, if they ever become available!), I didn't do any reagent tests on it but I am sure that it was 95%+ pure PMA.

I think the worst part of the experience was my psychological fear of taking PMA, which initially caused my heart rate to go up via the "oh deary me I be's scared, ain't no decent maps of _this_ territory" adrenaline loop - once I realized, "wait a minute, this stuff is the BOMB," my cardiovascular activity smoothed out and my fear melted into a puddle of euphoria. My BPM WAS slightly higher than it would have been from just the MDMA alone, but still well under 90 beats a minute ( ~80bpm compared to my normal 55-65bpm). I should add that I regularly cycle 30km every two or three days, I eat very healthily and take quite a lot of vitamin and mineral supplements, and that I have 7 litre lung capacity (!! for a 180cm tall person..?), so my cardiopulmonary system in general is pretty sweet and well-attuned to handling increased activity. Again YMMV. I must mention as well that I do not think it is wise to exert one's self much at all when PMA is in the system, simply because dot dot dot (insert 'err on the side of caution' here)...

Before I went to bed I took 1.5g of phenibut, which put me to sleep before I even noticed it kicking in (it tokes the galactic pork sword that I was outta pot, as I intuited that it would synergise very well with the combo to produce some VERY amazing 'white light' visual phenomena, but anyways, that's for next time...). I awoke today without even a shadow of a comedown or any sensation of neurodepletion; in fact, I went into town today and not only had great energy levels (and still do), but I was the happiest motherfucker, doing things that I usually don't do - chatting with strangers, bringing my plates back into the restaurant so the waitress didn't have to get them, dancing through the streets and singing improvised blues songs - not quite manic but definitely in an awesome, very intellectual, creative and social mood... This is in a town that I usually think is 'far too square' and find it a chore to be in - and I managed to find all the kick-ass record stores and cafes that seem to be hidden down small corridors amongst the majority of the pissweak sprawl mall shopping centre/'town'... neat!

While this could have something to do with the phenibut intake and associated excellent sleep, I believe that there has actually been some neurochemical BENEFIT from this experience (or reduction of depletion at least) through the pharmacological activity of the PMA. I postulate/conjecture that the PMA's MAOI activity (which becomes a problem as the effect per Xmg dose curve goes exponentially mental after ~50mg by inhibiting its own metabolism) actually somewhat protected the serotonin that the subsequent T+1:00 80mg dose of MDMA released from being chewed up by the MAO floating around in my synaptic gaps, and has actually allowed my brain to recapture quite a bit more of it that it usually would.

The PMA contributed an absolutely exquisite fluffed out and extremely chill body feeling that I would describe as being very 'smacky' - far moreso that pure MDMA is, and definitely almost identical to the 'smacky'-feeling pills I have had in the past. I know that many pill manufacturers will put perhaps 5mg of PMA in their tabs to complement the MDx and to save on MDx dosage, since essential oil of anise is completely uncontrolled (easy as candy ) while safrole is a _mommyfukka_ to get hold of... and PMA is safer and easier to make than the MDx's.

In fact, I have wondered quite a bit over the past few years about the potential of admixtures of the essential amphetamines; some of the 'pinger' people I know say that they develop a tolerance to certain batches of pills moreso than others and this could be easily accounted for by the presence of varying ratios of various essential amphetamines in the pills! One thing I plan to do in future is to experiment with various ratios of MDA, MDMA, MDEA, PMA, PMMA, PMEA, TMA, TMA-2, and MMDA (if any of these become available!) as I believe that there will be some very special synergies indeed - phens seem to be much more specific and 'limited' as to what they do at the receptor sites in comparison to the tryptamines, so having two or more (alphamethyl)phenethylamines at the same time could allow for the induction of much broader and more utilizable psychic states!

At about T+3:45, I did an intramuscular shot of 80mg of human grade ketamine (as one does during the rare times when one has human grade ketamine at one's disposal), and went into perhaps the most blissful and relaxing K-holes I have ever gone into. I mean, sure how could one find ketamine to be edgy, right, but this was something else entirely... Even with compounds like DOC and 2C-C which seem to allow me to 'sink into' myself deeply and bask in my own souljuices, metakeen has never gone that deep. However, the recall of the K trip wasn't as enhanced as it would be by DOC/DOI/2C-C/2C-B/LSD or other 'full' psychedelics, just the euphoria, relaxation, and associated release of locked-up subconscious muscle rigidity and posturing.

If only I had some 2C-B at T+6:00... who woulda thought a drug with the street name DEATH would be that good? This has been perhaps one of my more 'reckless' experiments I suppose, if one is to take the majority of available 'official' data at face value, but ONLY because there were no other real reports on the subject (not that taking internet trip reports to be fact is in any way applicable to one's own personal biology of course!)... I do not now consider the responsible and conscious ingestion of reasonable doses of PMA alone or in combination to be 'reckless' in any way.

So, 'bad rep' in this case doesn't mean bad reputation, but bad _representation_! Now, as my battery-powered bottle opener says, "Ho ho YEAH, it's time for a BEER!" %)

 

[nanobrain]

Chicken Powder! Out of pot??? You lived??? Human grade ket, hheh, i bet you're one of the ones that says DMT aint DMT, and believes in, hm, 'plant spirits' aint cha boy? ;-)

ah, the synergism of admixtures and traces, many a treatise to be writ, to be sure, to Shura beat for sure.

 

[Diacetylus]

Mind me asking how you knew it was PMA? Did you use a reagent to test it?
Did your dealer tell you? I find it extremely odd a dealer would knowingly sell something off as PMA, being that there is such very little demand for it at all.
I honestly didn't think there would be any market for PMA. I could be wrong though...

 

[KemicalBurn]

Curious report.

perhaps you are wired somewhat differently to others (ie: perhaps you lack or have in greater quantities [than the avergare user] the enzymes used to metabolise PMA).

To anyone thinking of trying it, my advice stays the same though: 'proceed with extreme caution. this is only one trip report at the present time.' Which shouldnt be construed as a slight against you Irate_Scotsman.

Very fine report mind you

 

[Irate_Scotsman]

Lab Rat Pride Parade

Yes, I DEFINITELY will say again, I highly recommend you do not do this! Ain't no slant to it I know, no offence taken sire; this is perhaps the FIRST trip report I've read of PMA being remotely enjoyable let alone safe and I was the statistical outlier to write the motherfucker - and I've only ever heard two people before this say that it was worth it, and they didn't really get that much more into it (they ain't TR-writin' people). Next time I take it (if there is one) I could end up FUCKED. When every report and most of the scientific data makes it sound like a cross between IV bufotenine and a shitty meth overdose, it's best to proceed with EXTREME caution. I mean seriously guys, I _IVed_ PMA - and curiosity killed the Leo did it not?

I agree that I am wired differently to many people - I have taken MDMA perhaps 100 times in my life, perhaps 5 times at rather high doses (once at a gram..!), and I've never really experienced any lasting depletion, magic loss, or downregulation (that I can concretely feel or that I know about!), basically just a short-lived fatigue the next day which quickly resolves... It's more of a tired afterglow than a crash/comedown. Shit guys, _coffee_ fucks me up neurologically far worse than MDMA does...

This may have something to do with the fact that I was prescribed Ritalin and Dexedrine for several years during puberty (10-14yo, Ritalin for one year and when that 'stopped working' then escalating daily doses of time-release and instant Dexedrine, at 14 I told the doctor and my parents, "Shove 'em up yer ass bros!" and quickly got BETTER like the 'meds' were supposed to do..), which may have altered my metabolic capacities somewhat. I was on pretty much every psychiatric medication known to man from 7-14yo, from imipramine to clonidine to injected Haldol to Xanax to risperidol to (develop cumulative side effects from one drug, looks like I've got a new disorder to treat now right doc, which needs a new med regime, right doc? Thanks for agreeing with them by the way mum ) most of which have only ever been clinically tested on adults, thanks to "ADHD/Tourette's/Asperger's/OCD/and 'comorbid disorders'" coming out of the 'orphan disorders' category in the late 80's/early 90's - which I think is ultimately a load of shit, like there's some sort of Standard Normal BrainTM or something (and as if a Standard Normal BrainTM would have ANY relation to the definitive 'psychosis' of Western culture and conditioning in the first place! If there are ANY truly 'sane' people they're probably in mental institutions... but enough of this rant.).

So I am somewhat of a 'professional lab rat' in many respects, although these days I take the drugs I WANT to take and they actually seem to do cumulatively GOOD things for me... so copying my or anyone else's actions is never advised unless you're willing to be personally responsible for whatever happens to you when you make that choice!

The person who gave it to me has extensively reagent tested it and taken it more than several times... you are totally correct in thinking that there is zero market for PMA, they gave it to me for free, and they couldn't usually even GIVE it away - people go "JESUS man are you SERIOUS? You couldn't PAY me to take that stuff"... I've got absolute trust in the dude. There is a minute chance that it IS something else and duder was lying to me, but I plan to reagent test the material when I have access/enough money to get that particular reagent, and I will post said test results when they come in.

Ain't NOTHIN' is gospel!

Yeah, "Chicken Power," "Death," whoever came up with those ones must have been a marketing whizz! I often jokingly say, "if only they had put a buncha 80mg PMA doses in the emergency kits of the Titanic..."

Being out of pot is ridiculous, I know, there's no excuse for it, especially in the region where I live... but I need to take a (SMALL) break anyways since when I've got it I'm smoking 20-60 cones a day, from about 15 minutes after I wake up until about 2 minutes before I go to sleep - shit man, I can manage to use things like opium, morphine, oxycodone, and heroin only on extremely rare occasion (every two months..?) and never feel like I want to increase the frequency, but pot is like my dominatrix girlfriend, I'm completely it's bitch, it makes me incoherent and unable to read visual and verbal social cues and I lose all confidence in my ability to contribute to conversation, but I just keep going... I'm starting to think that I should quit but how could I give up weed? That's like voluntarily cutting off my pinky finger because I don't use it when I type!

I still hold true to the opinion that anyone who manufactures pills with PMA in them that don't have "PMA 10mg MDMA 80mg" stamped on them as the brand logo should be shot...

As fer da plant spirits, farkin' oath! Plant spirits were what started this whole journey for mah white ass! As a good mate of mine has often said, "once you experience something for about the 500th time you just stop being skeptical about it..."

 

[nanobrain]

but pot is like my dominatrix girlfriend, I'm completely it's bitch......

"once you experience something for about the 500th time you just stop being skeptical about it..."

classic and totally concurrent ;-) professional and literate experimental-minded labrats rule!

 

[yaesutom]

LOL.. Irate, mang, I like your Tripizzle R-E to the mu'fukin' PorTizzle style, you should post up some more reports like whoa .

 

[dilated_pupils]

Good report on a substance I rarely get to read about alone.