Bradshaw2727
Bluelighter
Let us try to answer this thread ASSUMING what thursday's friend has is actually genuine opium. That way the discussion will more related to the question rather than questioning the validity of the opium.
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plugging opium
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CreativeRandom
Ex-Bluelighter
If it smells like opium, looks like opium, tastes like opium...it must BE opium.
That's the simple law of identification. Though for harm reduction purposes, please ignore that, and get your substance tested by a lab.
That's the simple law of identification. Though for harm reduction purposes, please ignore that, and get your substance tested by a lab.
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
BL has the beautiful habbit of inacting automatic protocols that include:
- What you have is not real Opium
- Ritalin is shitty and is for kids
- Tramadol is not an opioid
- Don't I.V. Pills.
- "Ice" = 4-methylaminorex
There are others but these are the most popular parrot records..
- What you have is not real Opium
- Ritalin is shitty and is for kids
- Tramadol is not an opioid
- Don't I.V. Pills.
- "Ice" = 4-methylaminorex
There are others but these are the most popular parrot records..
crazyface
Bluelighter
toolazy2think said:
this is the newest plugging thread so i'd just like to say something in defence of this method of administration. firstly, if you're afriad of being gay, that fear comes from christianity and if you're getting high you're already screwed on that front. secondly, it seems like the benifits of potency greatly outway the 5 second uncomfort of a .5 cm tubule. and concering the above quote, shit is a pretty impure and disgusting thing and it hangs out in the bowels all the time with little ill effects. i think we'd all agree that the bowel is a pretty disgusting part of the body to begin with, and i dont think the impurities (a quarter of a gram of crushed poppy husk) in the opium will make that big of a differance. id be more worried about the pound of carcinogenic fat from the last hamburger cancerating my colon then a pea sized ball of nearly inert plant matter.
~crazy
crazyface
Bluelighter
Jamshyd said:
i agree, people say they "dont care how big your stash is" but they feel the need to doubt other's claims. if they really didnt care then they would just answer the question or not. this forum is not about who's drugs are real its just a way to get information out of and into the community, this can be done just as well with hypothetical questions as it can with true stories.
~crazy
CreativeRandom
Ex-Bluelighter
"a pea sized ball of nearly inert plant matter."
"firstly, if you're afriad of being gay, that fear comes from christianity "
-crazyface
First of all, the plant matter is definately NOT inert. It is highly psychoactive.
Secondly, what the hell does christianity have to do with anything? What the hell does being gay or homophobic have to do with anything? Putting something in your butt does not make you gay. It only is, if you like a male part (assuming your male) stuck in your butt, or fantasize such, and get off on it, like it, enjoy the idea, et cetera.
Maybe we don't plug things because its just uncomfortable. We do not want to stick things up our asshole, simple. We just aren't comfortable. Do we knock you for doing it? No, I recognize it's superior to most other methods of administration.
I'd rather take the drug in any other administration though.
"firstly, if you're afriad of being gay, that fear comes from christianity "
-crazyface
First of all, the plant matter is definately NOT inert. It is highly psychoactive.
Secondly, what the hell does christianity have to do with anything? What the hell does being gay or homophobic have to do with anything? Putting something in your butt does not make you gay. It only is, if you like a male part (assuming your male) stuck in your butt, or fantasize such, and get off on it, like it, enjoy the idea, et cetera.
Maybe we don't plug things because its just uncomfortable. We do not want to stick things up our asshole, simple. We just aren't comfortable. Do we knock you for doing it? No, I recognize it's superior to most other methods of administration.
I'd rather take the drug in any other administration though.
crazyface
Bluelighter
CreativeRandom said:
Psycoactive means active in the brain, which is the desired effect when taking drugs.
I think that since I dont think its that uncomfortable homophobia must be the source of most of the stigma.
Its all very subjective (like everything else) and for some one like yourself whom may find it uncomfortable it probly isnt the best mode because for you there is more cons than pros. I'm just stating MY views cause i think theyre the only ones i have anyright to comment on.
~crazy
CreativeRandom
Ex-Bluelighter
Inert- Having no pharmacologic or therapeutic action.
Opium, is NOT inert. It is psychoactive. I don't understand what your rebuttle is supposed to be saying crazyface.
Homophobia is probably the source of most of it's stigma, or the fact that your STICKING SOMETHING UP YOUR ASSHOLE? Perhaps, crazyface, some people just don't want to stick things up a hole that's generally very tight, and shit, literally, comes out of it?
Opium, is NOT inert. It is psychoactive. I don't understand what your rebuttle is supposed to be saying crazyface.
Homophobia is probably the source of most of it's stigma, or the fact that your STICKING SOMETHING UP YOUR ASSHOLE? Perhaps, crazyface, some people just don't want to stick things up a hole that's generally very tight, and shit, literally, comes out of it?
Jamshyd
Bluelight Crew
Interestingly enough "sticking things up your asshole" is very much used in medicine and pharmaceautical companies do make drugs in the form of suppositories and microenimas....
crazyface
Bluelighter
CreativeRandom said:
sorry, by inert i meant it wouldnt really do anything bad to the bowel that could be avioded with other methods. it wasn't really a rebuttle either, this isn't a debate. im not gonna change your mind and youre not gonna change mine. we've said our views , why waste anymore server space arguing about it?
~crazyface
CreativeRandom
Ex-Bluelighter
Because this is a place for discussion. But then again, why don't we all talk using easy-speak.... Use lttle ki as pssbl.
Like every post we make just takes up so much server space and is so inconvenient, right?
Okay, I understand what you meant by inert though. No need to say sorry. Inert can mean that too, you just used it in a different context.
Rebuttle, well perhaps response is a better word?
Change what mind? I'm not saying anything is wrong with having things shoved into your asshole. It's just not my thing, as it seems to be yours. I'm not going to try to "change your mind" because you like X Cola instead of Y Cola.
Yes, I know Jamshyd.
Like every post we make just takes up so much server space and is so inconvenient, right?
Okay, I understand what you meant by inert though. No need to say sorry. Inert can mean that too, you just used it in a different context.
Rebuttle, well perhaps response is a better word?
Change what mind? I'm not saying anything is wrong with having things shoved into your asshole. It's just not my thing, as it seems to be yours. I'm not going to try to "change your mind" because you like X Cola instead of Y Cola.
Yes, I know Jamshyd.
TheMMT
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Was doing a search for 'poppy' and 'rectal' and came across this thread..
FWIW, one can dissolve poppy putty in some hot water (takes a LONG time and a LOT of water, WAY too much - next time, will grate / shave off the amount that's wanted), and take it rectally, with fantastic effects. From my one experiment so far, it seems that for the nausea and GI-tract ruinating that poppies usually cause, you get a good amount more bang for the buck.
Anyhow, poppy tea from many many pods was boiled down many months ago into pod 'putty', with the objective being to produce some form of smokable opium product.
Don't try this at home - the resulting substance did not burn hardly even with a torch lighter, and produced no discernable buzz when it did.
Thinking I had wasted all those pods, I put the putty in an airtight container and pretty much forgot about it, until the other night when I got creative.
3 grams of pod 'putty' were dissolved in an absolutely disgusting amount of water (around 8 fluid ounces - yes, I know, but this is for harm reduction purposes, so stop laughing), and slowly but surely, administered rectally. Effects came on pretty quickly (in under 10 minutes), and indeed got quite strong as the evening wore on - 1mg xanax added at T + :30 made things nicer.. I can't say what the effect would have been without the benzo, but I'm glad I did so.
Anyhow, just thought I'd add to the knowledge base - hadn't seen or heard of anyone else rectally administering poppy pod 'putty'. Probably for good reason.
Play carefully.
"Roll up for the Mystery Tour.."
FWIW, one can dissolve poppy putty in some hot water (takes a LONG time and a LOT of water, WAY too much - next time, will grate / shave off the amount that's wanted), and take it rectally, with fantastic effects. From my one experiment so far, it seems that for the nausea and GI-tract ruinating that poppies usually cause, you get a good amount more bang for the buck.
Anyhow, poppy tea from many many pods was boiled down many months ago into pod 'putty', with the objective being to produce some form of smokable opium product.
Don't try this at home - the resulting substance did not burn hardly even with a torch lighter, and produced no discernable buzz when it did.
Thinking I had wasted all those pods, I put the putty in an airtight container and pretty much forgot about it, until the other night when I got creative.
3 grams of pod 'putty' were dissolved in an absolutely disgusting amount of water (around 8 fluid ounces - yes, I know, but this is for harm reduction purposes, so stop laughing), and slowly but surely, administered rectally. Effects came on pretty quickly (in under 10 minutes), and indeed got quite strong as the evening wore on - 1mg xanax added at T + :30 made things nicer.. I can't say what the effect would have been without the benzo, but I'm glad I did so.
Anyhow, just thought I'd add to the knowledge base - hadn't seen or heard of anyone else rectally administering poppy pod 'putty'. Probably for good reason.
Play carefully.
"Roll up for the Mystery Tour.."
B9
Bluelight Crew
it does apparently work really well i tried it once but i dont think i put it up far enough coz a few hours later i went to the bog and my arse was covered in very runny opium ps opium smells fucking lush
DexterMeth
Bluelighter
A buddy of mine recently got a grip of opium from mexico. You can easily tell the difference between opium and tar if you are experienced with tar.
I highly doubt it was just some black sticky substance mixed with tar. There were no bumps/rocks in it hard enough to be tar, no the same color. It was just like Thurday explained. It even tasted different.
Sorry for going off topic, but i felt it was needed.
I highly doubt it was just some black sticky substance mixed with tar. There were no bumps/rocks in it hard enough to be tar, no the same color. It was just like Thurday explained. It even tasted different.
Sorry for going off topic, but i felt it was needed.
junksick
Bluelighter
TheMMT said:
I realize you've learned this but many others haven't... Smoking putty dosen't work, not with pod tea residue nor with poppy seed tea residue. It is technically latex, but it's dried latex with lots of plant matter thrown in--great for ingesting, but not for smoking. You need the pure stuff that comes out of the pods--that is opium, nothing you fry up in a pan from dried materials will ever really be smokable--well maybe a little but it isn't worth it. You would probably keel over from exhaustion before you really felt anything, it is like smoking hemp. I have come to the conclusion that people that get anything out of smoking psuedo-opium are having placebo effects, or are very very non-tolerant to opiates.
DexterMeth
Bluelighter
Pod or seed putty is pure shit. It's not even worth getting paid to make. I know from multiple experiences.
I guess you could make it to eat or mix in a drink, but why not just cook down your liquid to a coffee-cup size amount and drink it. Saves time.
I guess you could make it to eat or mix in a drink, but why not just cook down your liquid to a coffee-cup size amount and drink it. Saves time.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Better late than never...
Creative: As to the relavancy of whether or not it is opium or heroin, it certainly IS relevant. IF a person was under the mistaken assumption that they had opium, when in reality they actually had heroin, the consequences could be dire indeed. In fact most opium looks like most tar and even moderately experienced users could be confused.
As to your reluctance to engage in rectal administration, you are not alone. Suprisingly [or perhaps not so suprisingly considering the state of Western Culture], many feel that it is something to be shunned. In terms of opiates, it is the most effective mode of administration...after they hypordermic needle that is. It is not really a big deal. Using a syringe sans point, you prepare the substance as you would for injection, you then insert the nose of the syringe a good 4 or 5 inches up the old poop chute and let it rip [the syringe, not the chute].
Thursday I am not sure what you mean by "morphine like high" as heroin is simply a delivery vehichle for morphine. Heroin is converted to morphine upon ingestion [or to be more accurate the conversion takes place once the heroin crosses the BBB]. I am not sure what you mean by "looks, smells, and tastes like raw opium." Opium and tar are usually identical in appearance, even to the jaded user. The smell would probably be a tip off but you mentioned the substance as having a floral odor, and opium [raw or processed] never smells like flowers. As for the taste, when smoking the two substances are nearly identical. Of course the price you mention would probably be a tip off but you'd be suprised how much some people would be willing to pay for actual opium. Although Kdou believes the price [if it's for heroin] too inexpensive I remember paying the rough equivalent in Dallas and in Tyler [Texas]. All in all, only you have the ability to discern what you actually purchased. If I was to offer an educated guess though, I'd place my money on "heroin."
Jamshyd: While you may in fact be correct that alot of things on BL are merely the same recycled rhetoric, in the case of opium there is a very good reason to repeat the oft repeated admonishment; Statistically speaking you could keep track of all the federal cases related to opium [growing, smuggling, selling] on one hand. Cost is the major factor and although it would no doubt sell out it would take longer than usual to reach the target market. Most smugglers do not like to sit on a product too long. If they opt for heroin however, they can unload as much as they can bring over the border, and as fast as they bring it. To get an ounce of opium you have to have a decent amount of plants. Although up to 175,000 poppy plants can grow in an average hectare, growing and harvesting even that small of a crop presents sone unique and pressing problems: concealment [that many vivid hued blooms is a sight to behold!], a labor intensive process [less than marijuana but a much smaller chance of success is the tradeoff], a very vulnerable harvest period. You can take that kilo of opium and multiply its price many times over if you simply convert it to either morphine or heroin.
To wit, there is only one group in the States that regularly engages in opium smuggling: The Hmong in the Minneapolis area. They only do so because the practice of opium smoking is a deeply enttrenched and integral part of their culture...especially for the older generation. I have never heard of a Hmong selling to an outsider. Even there you find it as an increasingly rare occurrence.
Creative: As to the relavancy of whether or not it is opium or heroin, it certainly IS relevant. IF a person was under the mistaken assumption that they had opium, when in reality they actually had heroin, the consequences could be dire indeed. In fact most opium looks like most tar and even moderately experienced users could be confused.
As to your reluctance to engage in rectal administration, you are not alone. Suprisingly [or perhaps not so suprisingly considering the state of Western Culture], many feel that it is something to be shunned. In terms of opiates, it is the most effective mode of administration...after they hypordermic needle that is. It is not really a big deal. Using a syringe sans point, you prepare the substance as you would for injection, you then insert the nose of the syringe a good 4 or 5 inches up the old poop chute and let it rip [the syringe, not the chute].
Thursday I am not sure what you mean by "morphine like high" as heroin is simply a delivery vehichle for morphine. Heroin is converted to morphine upon ingestion [or to be more accurate the conversion takes place once the heroin crosses the BBB]. I am not sure what you mean by "looks, smells, and tastes like raw opium." Opium and tar are usually identical in appearance, even to the jaded user. The smell would probably be a tip off but you mentioned the substance as having a floral odor, and opium [raw or processed] never smells like flowers. As for the taste, when smoking the two substances are nearly identical. Of course the price you mention would probably be a tip off but you'd be suprised how much some people would be willing to pay for actual opium. Although Kdou believes the price [if it's for heroin] too inexpensive I remember paying the rough equivalent in Dallas and in Tyler [Texas]. All in all, only you have the ability to discern what you actually purchased. If I was to offer an educated guess though, I'd place my money on "heroin."
Jamshyd: While you may in fact be correct that alot of things on BL are merely the same recycled rhetoric, in the case of opium there is a very good reason to repeat the oft repeated admonishment; Statistically speaking you could keep track of all the federal cases related to opium [growing, smuggling, selling] on one hand. Cost is the major factor and although it would no doubt sell out it would take longer than usual to reach the target market. Most smugglers do not like to sit on a product too long. If they opt for heroin however, they can unload as much as they can bring over the border, and as fast as they bring it. To get an ounce of opium you have to have a decent amount of plants. Although up to 175,000 poppy plants can grow in an average hectare, growing and harvesting even that small of a crop presents sone unique and pressing problems: concealment [that many vivid hued blooms is a sight to behold!], a labor intensive process [less than marijuana but a much smaller chance of success is the tradeoff], a very vulnerable harvest period. You can take that kilo of opium and multiply its price many times over if you simply convert it to either morphine or heroin.
To wit, there is only one group in the States that regularly engages in opium smuggling: The Hmong in the Minneapolis area. They only do so because the practice of opium smoking is a deeply enttrenched and integral part of their culture...especially for the older generation. I have never heard of a Hmong selling to an outsider. Even there you find it as an increasingly rare occurrence.
this is what the shit i have looks like:
well the reason i think it's opium is because:
-it's not shiny and smooth like black tar heroin and has a lot of plant material in it. i think if i tried to inject it my arm would fall off
-also, after i heat it up in water to prepare it for rectal administration it separates into a gummy/elastic like substance
-it smells and tastes(when smoked) somewhat reminiscent of black tar
-it gets me high when i smoke it(but not as much as smoking tar)
i mean, it's either opium, or some other opiate mixed with some kind of plant material that looks/smells/tastes just like raw opium.
well the reason i think it's opium is because:
-it's not shiny and smooth like black tar heroin and has a lot of plant material in it. i think if i tried to inject it my arm would fall off
-also, after i heat it up in water to prepare it for rectal administration it separates into a gummy/elastic like substance
-it smells and tastes(when smoked) somewhat reminiscent of black tar
-it gets me high when i smoke it(but not as much as smoking tar)
i mean, it's either opium, or some other opiate mixed with some kind of plant material that looks/smells/tastes just like raw opium.
rachamim18
Bluelighter
Thursday...
Well, no suprise there. Again, it could be either substance. The fact that you do not get as much effect as you usually get when smoking "tar" could simply be explained by the material being too adulterated/impure. The other thing you mentioned, "gumming up" when you prepare it for injection, is indicative of highly adulterated "tar." Many mistakenly believe that you cannot adulterate "tar." It is just as vulnerable as any other form of illicit heroin. Again, I'd venture that it was probably "tar."
Well, no suprise there. Again, it could be either substance. The fact that you do not get as much effect as you usually get when smoking "tar" could simply be explained by the material being too adulterated/impure. The other thing you mentioned, "gumming up" when you prepare it for injection, is indicative of highly adulterated "tar." Many mistakenly believe that you cannot adulterate "tar." It is just as vulnerable as any other form of illicit heroin. Again, I'd venture that it was probably "tar."
thursday said:this is what the shit i have looks like:
i mean, it's either opium, or some other opiate mixed with some kind of plant material that looks/smells/tastes just like raw opium.
just curious but how do you know what raw opium "looks/smells/tastes" like?