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Pledges, promises & other bullshit from the Parties...

As often seems to be the case, I tend to agree with Vurtual and he said it better than I could so read his post in a slightly poncy English accent and you have my general opinion ;)

Having said that, I do have more mixed feelings about not/voting than usual. I wish it were possible to believe in the validity of voting but nothing whatsoever points to that being even possible let alone probable. The entire system needs a major rethink and the closest any major(ish) party seems to get to talking about that is the Lib Dems and... well... they're the Lib Dems unfortunately. PR would at least make the voting process feel a bit more tied to reality and results but the system as it stands is a shell game which - broadly speaking - makes voting a mug's game in my opinion.

kate said:
Aye, you'll no be to far fae me if you do - this is my land. Life IS better here if you have kids especially. Great place to be reared.<3

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The way things are going around the rest of the UK I wouldn't be surprised to see a helluva lot of spanking new adpoted Jocklanders over the coming years. Definitely looks to be the most appealing end of the islands to be living in at the moment. I'm certainly looking forward to turning tartan anyway. The Welsh Assembly just doesn't seem to have enough power to make significant changes to standard Westminster policy unfortunately and I have bordering on zero faith in anything that comes from Westminster. There seems to be far greater appetite for change around Scotland and - significantly - far more visible possibilities of bringing about change. It seems feasible (although your point about women getting the vote when through relentless campaigning is well noted).
 
Lib dems are just center ground politics, stuck in the middle so they can say anything. I'm voting Labour because i'm not having those disgusting Tory cunts in power. Workfare, apprenticeships that pay half the min wage (every single one of them) and ATOS just for shits and giggles, so the most vulnerable in Society have little choice but to kill themselves. Not having another 4 years of Tory
 
Try living under Thatcher for 11 fuckin years... And it didn't stop there - we had Major for another 7 bastard years - then that 'New Labour' cunt Tony Blair seemingly forever...

Is it any wonder I don't vote?
 
The thing that really annoyed me about Blair was he looks nearly identical to an old mate of mine who was also a daft cunt, but is now a millionaire.. ( not that I'm jealous or owt, he had big ears fer fucks sake) ;)
 
considering the last time i voted the lib-dems stabbed me in the back and tripled my student loans, i may just sit this one out.

or vote green and watch the world burn
 
Green Party said:
Treat drug addiction as a health problem rather than a crime, making drugs policy the responsibility of the Department of Health in order to ensure that resources are targeted at supporting, not punishing, drug users.

Adopt an evidence-based approach to the step-by-step regulation, starting with cannabis, of the drugs currently banned under the Misuse of Drugs Act as well as 'legal highs', with a view to introducing a system that reduces harms and brings the market under state control as a potential tax revenue generator. A Royal Commission or similar body would be established to review currently controlled drug classifications, within a legalised environment of drug use.

Improve access to addiction services, including both drugs and alcohol addiction.
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https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/manifesto/Green_Party_2015_General_Election_Manifesto.pdf
 
More BS from the Lib Dems today

9.8 An effective approach to reducing drug harm

For too long the debate about effective ways to reduce the
harm caused by drugs has been distorted by political prejudice.
Around the world, countries are trialling new approaches that are
reducing drug harm, improving lives, reducing addiction and saving
taxpayers’ money. In the UK we have made good progress on
treatment but we continue to give 80,000 people a year a criminal
record for drug possession, blighting their employment chances,
and we still imprison 1,000 people a year for personal possession
when they are not charged with dealing or any other offence.
We will:

Adopt the approach used in Portugal where those arrested for
possession of drugs for personal use are diverted into treatment,
education or civil penalties that do not attract a criminal record.

As a first step towards reforming the system, legislate to end
the use of imprisonment for possession of drugs for personal
use, diverting resources towards tackling organised drug crime
instead.

Continue to apply severe penalties to those who manufacture,
import or deal in illegal drugs, and clamp down on those who
produce and sell unregulated chemical highs.

Establish a review to assess the effectiveness of the cannabis
legalisation experiments in the United States and Uruguay in
relation to public health and criminal activity.

Legislate to make the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs
independent in setting the classification of drugs, while remaining
accountable to Parliament and the wider public.

Enable doctors to prescribe cannabis for medicinal use.

Put the Department of Health rather than the Home Office in
charge of drug policy.

http://www.libdems.org.uk/read-the-full-manifesto
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I'd consider voting green if plaid weren't my mp (they'd join up with green) - i prefer green's policies. They're only major-minor party proposing proper keynesian social democrat policies (snp could do better; who's heard of tusc?) - and the whole media turns on them portraying them as marxist lunatics for it (or at best, away with the fairies), despite those policies being perfectly viable (we ran our country using them for decades).

Citizen's income is an idea whose time will come as it just makes economic sense - keynes predicted similar (ie that increasing productivity and automation would result in us not needing to work as much for the same results) - neoliberalism rose up in response with the bosses deciding they could just pay the same, keep more profits ('it'll trickle down, honest') and just have ever increasing unemployment instead - this was not economics it was politics - the boss class took their opportunity to claw back the progress that we won post war - but it's not inevitable that it will last.
 
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Funny how all of these attractive promises are only ever mentioned just before an election isn't it? Heard yesterday about the Tories promising to let Housing Association tenants buy their homes because 'they are the working people's party'...
 
Yeah, funny isn't it...

Did Major really last 7 fucking years? I thought he kinda fell in behind Thatcher, did people actually vote for him? Ye Gods!
 
Si Dread said:
Yeah, funny isn't it...

Did Major really last 7 fucking years? I thought he kinda fell in behind Thatcher, did people actually vote for him? Ye Gods!
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Yes, it also surprised me when I checked the dates - 7 years of a totally forgettable non-entity who is only famous for having an affair with a lemon sucking trout faced bitch...
 
There's an old photo of major at uni that I can't find anywhere. He looks like a total dork.

Ever wondered what happened to that dork you knew at school? He became Prime fucking Minister!

The photo appears to have been purged from the internet but it must be out there. Find it for kudos! You can't miss it, it's black & white & again, he looks a total fucking dork in it =D
 
To be fair to the Lib Dems (who I used to have some vague support for before the Tory coalition thing) they are hardly the only party who lied to the people who voted for them. Believe me they are as unpopular with me for coagulating with the Tories as they are to anybody and everybody else who ever considered voting for 'em previously, but does seem kinda weird the way they are being specifically targeted for lying when this is what all the other parties do too. Is hardly a revelation. This instance just happens to have been picked up and run with by the media is all. Is shit but no more or less shit than the rest of the lying pricks.
 
Well, from zero to triple? In order to gain a semblance of power, not even the total thang?

Yes. Yes it is.
 
Oh I don't disagree. Am just pointing out that all the other parties do the same all the time and this was clearly a case of the weaker party being humiliated early on by the stronger party in a coalition government to muddy the future election waters in the hope of distracting gullible people with shiny (actually grubby) things whilist missing the massive shit they took upon everybody - including those who believed in their own manifesto promises - in the meantime.

Honestly, SHM? I think of you as a more sophisticated political animal than that and am kinda surprised how easily you will take negatives towards a party you dislike whilst ignoring the very same issues with other parties (I'm gonna potshot that you probably broadly go with Labour who also lied on tuition fees... if by some miracle you are Tory then they also lied on tuition fees). Gotta say I'm disappointed with your apparent knee-jerk partisanship which smacks of tabloidism which is not usually your kinda thang so am a tad confused in all honesty :?
 
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