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#itiswhatitis

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So this may come off as a little bit of a rant im just so pissed at my self!!! So anyway a little bit about me... I am 27 I was clean for 4 years.. Last year I found out I had endometriosis the pain from this has been unbearable.. I went as long as I could with out the use of pain pills {as I said I have been clean from heroin for 4 years} I could not take the pain anymore and so I gave in.. In the 4 years of clean time I have moved almost 3000 miles away had my 2ed child and got married.. Anyway I think it gos without saying the pain pills have got the best of me I have been on them of the better part of two years and I go to a pain dr... Now because I am a asshole and dont do what im supposed to do I am out of pain pills until thu today is only Friday.. I know I have done this to myself I also know this was a dumb thing to do.. However I am now going to be in withdrawal with the pain on top of it.. So what im asking is if anyone can help me... When I moved here I made it a point to not make any friends as I was trying to stay clean.. I cant get benzos anywhere.. That was not a hint to try to get them here I have seen the rules and have all plans on respecting them.. Just wanted to know what else I can do.. If it was just me I would just go through it but I have 2small kids that need there mother and also a husband that needs his wife I cant believe I have done this to myself and for anyone reading this I have beat myself up enough so please I dont need it from anyone else... Just looking for anything that can help ease the withdrawal.. It is not my familys fault and they shouldn't have to suffer for me being a dumb ass... Anyway thank u all for any help u can offer :?
 
I've had this problem so many times when I was on oxy. One thing that will help you is buying some immodium (loperamide) You can use whatever generic brand, try a few tablets when you feel withdrawals coming on. We have a loperamide mega thread here somewhere where you can get good tips on dosing.

Don't beat yourself up too bad. Can you have your husband hold onto them so you won't be tempted to take too many?
 
Yes I agree immoduim will help some. Depends on how much ur on. You have a family to take care of. I find that staying busy as much as it sucks helps instead of dewling on it. Dont beat yourself up. We have sickness that is medically proven. We are not bad people. And as the other poster sujested have someone else hold your pills. Change from every month to every 2 weeks if ur doctor will allow. And if u used to use a 12 step program go back. And just remember this to shall pass. But if u do the same thing over and over then well.....you know. This feeds in to drug seeking but if somehow you can talk your Dr into a script for valium it also helps some. But dont just go over bored with that. If this is the 10 time you have done this then surrender come clean with everyone and check into a detox. Good luck.
 
I've been in similar situations and its been my experience if youre honest with your doctor they will help you out. As long as it's not a reoccurring issue.
 
Thank u all so much!! Last night I told my husband and he was very understanding that helped a lot.. and As someone said about staying busy that is helping some what.. I also have gabapentin I have seen some people on the Internet say that it has helped.. do any of u know anything about that? Also if it gets too bad I may have to go to the er and try for some benzos will they give them?? I just don't want it to make me sleep until night time.. I think I may not even go back to the Dr.. I think after 6 days I will be fine.. it's just a fight ×2 because I'm in a lot of pain and it makes it so hard.. but again thank u all so much!!! Oh yeah I have worked the steps and also have done a lot of praying.. I know I can overcome this!! How long will it last? No more then a week right?
 
When you say 'pills' what are you referring to? I assume Oxycodone?

I can totally relate, though no where on the same scale I used to abuse Morphine and I kicked it all in. 6 months after being clean was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease, had no option other than to go back on opiates.

You have to give yourself a lot of credit, 4 years is a long time to be clean, and it's not like you just gave in to temptation for the fun of it. You needed legitimate painkillers for legitimate pain.

Yeah you're right, not used it for withdrawals myself but a lot of people rate it quite highly. Also Loperamide is a classic, though I'm not sure on what dose you'll need, ask in the Loperamide Mega Thread.

I doubt the ER would just give out benzos, unfortunately.
 
Hey there...

I too have dealt with endometriosis...for about 16 years now. In fact, it was my struggle with the endo that led to my using heroin. So I feel your pain...literally and figuratively. However, I've never had children; I was always told that having children would help the pain, but I guess that's not always true. From what you're saying it sounds like you were diagnosed AFTER having at least one child...that is also unusual. Have you asked your doctor about treatments other than pain management? Birth control and Lupron injections are two that work very well. Also, how did they diagnose you? Was it based on your symptoms or did they actually do a laporoscopy and see endometriosis? The only reason I ask is because endo can mimic other things that may have a better prognosis for a cure/alleviating your pain.

As for your situation, I think that Rxanimal is right; most doctors will help you out as long as you are straight forward.

Also, how many pills are you getting? Endometriosis pain is cyclical...so there's no reason that you need to be on pain meds on a daily basis. If you haven't already, why don't you talk to your doctor about prescribing only for the pain cycle? You know how long your cycle is, so from there figure out how many pills you would need for X amount of days/every 4 to 6 hours, etc. For example, my pain cycle generally lasted about 5 days. I took 2 pain pills every 4 hours (at the beginning and the end of the cycle it was more like every 6 hours, but I would just stick with the smallest number of hours indicated, that way if your pain cycle lasts a little longer than usual, you're covered). Anyway, so I took the meds every 4 hours (even at night) that would 12 pills times 5 which equals 60 per pain cycle. The reason I'm suggesting this is because without a surplus number of pills you will probably be less likely to take more than you actually need. Also, ask your husband to keep the pills somewhere safe until your cycle actually starts. You don't necessarily need to have him police you by doling them during your cycle, but if you give them to him between your cycles than you won't be as tempted.

I really encourage you to do what it takes to control your pill usage. I still have terrible endo pain, but I don't take anything other than OTC stuff now...and I'm not saying this to suggest that I'm better than others because I don't take pain pills; I'm saying it because I know I CAN'T take pain pills without abusing them. So before things start getting out of control again, I'd really do some soul searching and ask yourself, "Do I REALLY need these pills?" If the answer is "Yes", then take all the necessary precautions. Also, do ask your doctor about other options. And if you try something like Lupron or other injectable treatments, give them a chance...I never did because I always kidded myself thinking that the only thing that worked for me was pain meds. However, that wasn't really true for me...I told myself that because I WANTED the meds...not because I NEEDED them.

Again, I don't mean to sound preachy or condescending. I just know what it's like. I hate to see your 4 years of sobriety down the tubes because the pain pills.
 
GO to local headshop, buy kratom, u win. It hits opiate receptors and will cure your sickness.
 
Well my 4 years was down the tube as soon as I picked up.. I have tried lupron as well it didn't work for me.. I also have had 3 surgerys and 4 month time including a hysterectomy.. I didn't find out I had it until after I had my 2nd child and yes it was by lap surgery although he was already 90% sure that's what I had.. I am having another surgery at the end of this month cause the 1st Dr kind of messed up but that's a different story for a different day.
Anyway thanks again guys.. and no I am on the hydro 10 I'm supposed to take 4 a day but if I didn't go way past that I would not be here.. thank u all
 
Wow...that is a lot of surgery. I was about to say how could they possibly do that many surgeries in a 4 month period; I had to wait at least 6 months between all the surgeries I had because they always had to make a full incision in my belly. I'm assuming your surgeries must all have been laporoscopic because that would be just plain bad medicine to give you 3 full incision surgeries within a 4 month time period.

Endometriosis is a weird disease. And I've always been told that the less intrusive the endo is, the more painful it is. I don't know if I believe that or not, but there it is.

I digress...I was just curious about your Lupron experience? I mean, it always works; the nature of the medicine is such that it completely shuts down the ovaries (akin to menopause) so that the endo can't flare. So when you say it "didn't work" do you mean the side effects were too pervasive? They can be intense, for sure. I'm just curious about your experience on it. When I was on Lupron it raised my intercranial pressure so I had these headaches that were so intense I thought my brain would burst!

Anyhow, good luck! And I'm serious...don't take the medicine daily; take it only when you're on your cycle! It works so much better...for pain AND for evading addiction.
 
Yah definatly get yourself on that kratom train. Works wonders. It not an actual opiat( doesn't come from poppy, it is its on plant) but still works on opiate receptors and I do beleive it releases or gets your dopamine flowin
 
Yes it was lap all 3 times.. The lupron made me pass out and I'm not sure if u seen my whole message but one of the Surgery was for a hysterectomy.. everyone is different and just because something works for u don't mean it works for everyone.. maybe u are trying to help but I can't help but to feel like u'r being a little pushy..
 
I've given up with pain medication lately and am thinking of trying Kratom tbh... Was looking at ordering some of it last night.
 
I honestly have no idea how it works, but yeah a lot of people use it for pain relief.

Just googling 'Kratom for Pain Relief' gives hundreds of thousands of hits. Going to read up on it now.
 
Yes it was lap all 3 times.. The lupron made me pass out and I'm not sure if u seen my whole message but one of the Surgery was for a hysterectomy.. everyone is different and just because something works for u don't mean it works for everyone.. maybe u are trying to help but I can't help but to feel like u'r being a little pushy..

I am sorry you feel as though I'm being pushy. I am only trying to help...because I have already been where you are.

I think you are reading too much into what I am saying. Throughout your initial post you refer to yourself as "stupid" and an "asshole" for allowing yourself to get back on the opioid merry-go-round. From that, I understood that you were unhappy and dissatisfied with your present situation. You wanted to know "what else you could do" to handle your situation. I was offering alternatives...that is all. And I was trying to offer alternatives that didn't involve using benzos on top of opioids. And I know your main concern is withdrawal, but if you found ways to handle the endometriosis without opioids, then withdrawal wouldn't be problem. I was trying to look at the bigger picture. Do you want to have to start taking benzos every time you run out of pain meds just so you can sort of manage your kids while you're going through withdrawal? Do you really want to add another addictive medication into the mix? It seems to me the better thing to do would be to not have the withdrawals...so you can enjoy your time with your children. Again, my tone is not self-righteous...I am seriously asking you to think about these questions.

As I said, when I was using, I always found a reason why any non-opioid treatment would not work for me. That way, I could justify to myself that using opioids were not only necessary, but the only option for me. I didn't want you to fall into that trap. And I suppose I risk pushiness by saying this, but it sounds as if you already have.

Also, I didn't say that Lupron worked for me...it didn't. Hence, the headaches. I get that it's a hardcore medication.

I suppose it doesn't matter at this point, but you mentioned having a hysterectomy as though that means you cannot take Lupron. I had a hysterectomy at 28 (they took my ovaries out as well) and then took Lupron. It still works post hysterectomy. However, like you, the risk of taking Lupron outweighed the benefit.

Listen, I'm not trying to be heavy-handed with you. I only say this because if you're still having pain from endometriosis, you still must be producing estrogen. This means that either you still have one (or both) ovaries or you have an ovarian remnant (this was my problem) which still produces estrogen. So all treatments that suppress the estrogen should work for you if endometriosis is truly the problem. Of course, I totally understand that a lot the treatments suck and have terrible side effects. All I wish to do is encourage to focus on resolving the problem instead of focusing on fixing the pain. I totally get that you also need to manage your pain in the mean time. Believe me, I get it. I was only trying to help you focus on long-term solutions.

In the short-term, I have tried kratom for pain. It worked so-so. But everyone is different, so it may work better for you. I have also had really good luck with Motrin 800 and Toradol (which is an injectable NSAID). Acupuncture also really helps my pain (when I can afford it). Also, you may consider buprenorphine. This is what I take now because I can't take any other opioids without developing a problem. Of course, nothing works as well as Dilaudid (my pain DOC), but Dilaudid led my down the garden path to hell. However, the longer I stay away from true opiates, the better my ability to deal with pain seems to become.

Good luck! And I'm sorry if I offended.
 
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Not everyone deals betterwith pain after being off opiates......pain can alao occur from other problems such as stress which piled on to the pain the person is already enduring equals to more physical pain the person can handle & tackling on all the surgeries she's had & one coning up, its a tough road ahead.......

Maybe the OP is scared that her addiction from the past with heroin will return if shekeeps taking the hydrocodone but to get pain relief, you need pain meds.

OP, good luck with the up coming surgery & don't beat yourself up about your hydrcodone usage.......I'm pretty sure more than 60% of the people on pain meds take more than they should.......hey, obviously pain meds do more than just take away pain, hence the reasons we tend to take more than what's prescribed as how to take it.
 
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