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Opioids PLEASE help with my taper schedule

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stilllost

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I'll keep this as short as possible since we've all read enough stories. I went through this in 2010 after my mom died but I don't remember much of the detox except it was hell.


Situation: Past 6-7 weeks I've been taking hydro/oxy (oral) up to 50mg/35mg a night respectively, over the course of 2-3 hours. That's all I can handle before I get bored or sick. It also affects my sleep so I try to not take it about 2-3 hours before bed.

Duration of abuse: 6-7 weeks, 4-5 nights a week

Supply: Plenty of xanax (I wish I had valium but it is what it is), 20 10mg hydrocodone (200mg). Soup, gatorade, vitamins, metatonin, benadryl, lopermide, etc.


What happened: Last Thursday I got bored and quit taking them after 30mg at once didn't do anything. Figured it was time to take a break. Got the "flu" on Sunday into Monday and took 15mg on Monday (5mg x 3 over 4 hours) to stabilize myself.


What should I do? Here's a day-by day what happened:


Thursday: Finished my supply, decided to say fuck it.
Friday: No opaites. Fine, slept fine.
Saturday: No opiates. Fine, slept less fine but solid 6.5 hours.
Sunday: Started to get moody, sick around 6PM throwing up, etc. Slept 3.5 hours.
Monday: Flu, felt like shit. Copped about 6PM and took 3 x 5mg (15mg) to stabilize myself.
Tuesday (tonight): Took 5mg x 2 (6PM/9PM) along with 1mg xanax. Feeling okay. Nowhere close to dopesick.



I REALIZE THIS ADDICTION ("problem" really, not a full blown addition) is a pussy one. I KNOW compared to a lot of stories I read here I'm a really weak individual. I just got depressed over Christmas. I've lost my mom and wife in the past 3 years and it's been rough. I used to take them 2-3 times a month but it became 2-3 nights a week and then 4-5 nights a week and now I'm here.

I have a serious full-time job and I'm also a single parent so I can't really take more than 2 days off of work.

Please help me plan a taper schedule for the next 1-2 weeks please. Remember, I have 200mg of hydro (my sister half of it at her house so I'll have a further incentive to make my miles per gallon last)


I love BL. Thank you. LONG TIME reader, first time caller.

PS: Also, I've never had a problem with benzos and am prescribed them and take them as indicated for GAD. That's why I have xanax and not valium. I have a good supply because I don't take all 30 a month, ever... maybe 15 if that. I'm not worried about the benzo "issue" right now because I honestly take them as medicine.

Also, I got to thinking about how much of a failure I was for letting this happen and I've been crying. I don't usually cry. When I got my son home today from the 3 hour program he goes to a couple times a week I just hugged him and cried and everytime I cry I feel better for a little while. Does this have to do with any release of <insert brain chemical here>?

No help???
 
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tomatalli said:
What's the minimum dose to keep you well man?
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Last night I was feeling iffy so I took 5mg x 2 over 3 hours (6/9pm) and at 10 I got super hungry and ate a can of soup and two oranges.

Today, 2pm I haven't taken any yet. I might try 7.5 tonight at like 7-8pm if I have to.

I know it sounds like my doses are low and you're all laughing at me but I had the full blown dope sick flu on Sunday and Monday until I took 15mg.

I've been eating nothing but soup, bought and started taking a multivitamin. I hope I don't get in trouble for browsing this at work.... Today everyone has treated me like normal or at least they don't think I'm sick anymore. I went in a half day Monday and full day yesterday and today.

What's next? I have 205mg left.
 
I don't know much about tapering cuz I've never had to do it cuz I binge.

But I do want to tell you that there's no such thing as a "pussy tolerance/adfiction/whatever. If you need help then you need help and there's no problem with asking so dont feel bad.
If I was you I'd take like 7.5 and if that doesn't work bump it up by 2.5 and when it does just try to make that your stabilizing dose and just try to bring it down every other day till 0.

I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more but good luck and I hope it works out for you.
 
Try to get some Lyrica, take 300mg and see how you feel. :) Don't take any opiates or benzos with it. I'll bet it will stabilize you for over 24 hours and you can ride on Lyrica for 7-10 days till the opiate withdrawal subsides. I don't know what causes this effect or how it happens, but Lyrica somehow takes away all withdrawal symptoms and even gives a speedy/GHB like high. Wierd stuff.
 
Yeah Lyrica is a godsend for opiate withdrawal. If you can't get that then I agree with smokem. Find out the ABSOLUTE smallest dose of hydro that will keep you well and slowly decrease it over time till you reach zero. I can't give you exact taper as we don't know ur starting dose but once we know that I'm sure someone can draw you up an exact daily dosage schedule. Also when I've been dopesick xanax really helps me, so I would see if you can manage to just take xanax and see if that makes the withdrawals bearable enough that you don't need an opiate. Another thing is to make sure you are eating healthy and exercise if you can, it will make a world of difference. Good luck man, whatever you choose keep us updated and stop by The Dark Side for loads of support while you endure this, you don't have to do it alone.
 
By starting dose i meant the absolute lowest amount of hydro that will keep you well. Sorry for the confusion, that's not in your first post


I saw you say you were going to try 7.5mgs. I would try taking a single 5mg and see how that works. If not try 7.5. Also before that like I previously stated I would see if you can detox with just the xanax as it will be a lot quicker than if you taper down and then detox but the choice is yours.
 
:) thanks for the clarity. I will try a 5 about 9pm. I can't take lyrica, I've got a per existing nerve condition and that shit makes me drunk. I have access to etizolam as I know an importer but would it be better for sleep than Xanax? It has a longer half life than Xanax and I could trade
 
you're not a really weak individual. I can't really help much with the schedule, you're post doesn't really make it clear what you're trying to do. since you made it a few days without using your tolerance was greatly reduced. If you want to taper than make sure you stick with it, if not then take a xanax every now and then and jump off. if you make it 3-4 days without feeling dope sick, then maybe take hydro every 3-4 days in smaller amounts. if you can get down to 5mg I would stop all together. hydro isn't a great drug to taper with, and I generally don't recommend tapering with your drug of choice. Someone else can help you more than I can but you're not a weak individual for getting addicted. consider yourself blessed to have the will to stop before your addiction gets too out of control. spend time with your kid/s, that can give you something to do while at the same time show you one more reason why you are quitting. I wish you the best, and I'm terribly sorry to hear about your losses. I'm sure your mother would be proud of you for doing what you're doing to change your life.

if you need to there are plenty of support groups filled with people who've been through what you're going through. they're not for everyone, but perhaps having an outlet where you can share your problems with others face to face could be a good thing. you don't have to work a strict program if you dont want to, sometimes just showing up and seeing that it's not impossible can be very powerful.
 
Can you get a hold of any suboxone? I bet you could completely taper and avoid any withdrawals at all with an 8mg sub over the course of 5 days or so.
 
stilllost said:
:) thanks for the clarity. I will try a 5 about 9pm. I can't take lyrica, I've got a per existing nerve condition and that shit makes me drunk. I have access to etizolam as I know an importer but would it be better for sleep than Xanax? It has a longer half life than Xanax and I could trade
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Well, Xanax is fucking pointless man IF you could get Lyrica. You are talking about sleep, with Xanax you may get a hour or two lucid nightmares, maybe a bit better if you dose higher. Lyrica is straight up no withdrawals at all. I just C/T-ed off fentanyl (street fentanyl, 1000x stronger than Heroin, think what that compares to hydros etc) and methadone and slept 8 hours, woke up a bit shitty, took my Lyrica and Rivotril and im ready to go. No W/D whats so ever.

They way it works is you just sit on it for like 7 days and then just stop the Lyrica, you won't get withdrawal symptoms from it from such a short period, but its always smart to taper off. I have gone off 30 day 600-900mg a day habit no problem.

Etizolam is still similiar to benzos, and won't completely help your withdrawal. Maybe you can try Neurontin (Gabapentin), It is similiar to Lyrica.

I know it makes you a bit drunk-like, like done a bit speed and then some GHB, but then just start off smaller doses. I think it even comes in 75mgs.

Personally, I would think it would be hell of a better way to be a little bit "drunk" without no alcohol aromes and feel 90% at work and with your kids, than be like 30% with your Hydro taper with your eyes running and yawning shit. That would be more of a problem but hey thats just my way of thinking.

Trying to give good advice to you mate.
 
Take 5mg hydro when you start to feel bad, and just keep well. take it really slow, allowing each dose to peak to find out what holds you and does not get you high, and only dose again when you are feeling sick again and soon someone with experience creating taper schedules will come in and help you.

Sorry I cant be more help... <3 be safe and stay strong
 
Damn, I just wrote a super long detailed post and it vanished :(

I will have to rewrite it tomorrow, I can definitely be of help with a taper plan and with advice about comfort meds while quitting etc.

Keep us posted on how you're doing :) You can do this <3
 
Swimmingdancer said:
Damn, I just wrote a super long detailed post and it vanished :(

I will have to rewrite it tomorrow, I can definitely be of help with a taper plan and with advice about comfort meds while quitting etc.

Keep us posted on how you're doing :) You can do this <3
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<prior to this 30-50mg a night 4-5 nights a week for 6-7 weeks>
Thursday: 30mg (didn't even get high, got bored and decided to quit)
Friday: 0mg
Saturday: 0mg
Sunday: 0mg (Got sick)
Monday: 15mg (5mg x 3 over 4 hours)
Tuesday: 10mg (5mg x 2 over 4 hours)
Wednesday: 7.5mg (at once, 9pm)
Thursday: 6.25mg (at once, 9pm)
Friday: Haven't dosed yet, I generally wait until 9pm or so. Going to just take 5mg.


I've felt GREAT since Wednesday. You guys think I should drop to 2.5 via 1.25mg drops each day and steady at 2.5mg and then 0mg?

Everyone has been treating me normal at work since Wednesday and I've had PLENTY of energy for a 2 year old toddler. I think they think I had a stomach bug that has been going around and with me acting weird for only 2 days I bet they thought that was it. None of them know I use drugs, a couple know I get high (marijuana) but NONE of them know ANYTHING else. I'm involved in politics so there's always a lot of drinking going on and you know how things work, couple of people dip off to smoke because they don't drink.

FWIW: I've been getting 8-9 hours of sleep, or until my alarm goes off, whatever comes first. Xanax has been just fine at 1mg @ 9pm, 1mg @ lights out.
 
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Good to hear you've got something that is working for you.

By the looks of it though, you will have over 100mg left over by the end of it.

Have you given any thought as to how you are going to proceed?
 
Glad to hear things are going well. Whoever recommended suboxone clearly didn't take the time to look at your situation. If your getting by on ~6mgs of Hydrocodone suboxone would probably floor you and skyrocket your tolerance bringing you deeper than you already are. Keep up the good work mate.
 
Venrak said:
Good to hear you've got something that is working for you.

By the looks of it though, you will have over 100mg left over by the end of it.

Have you given any thought as to how you are going to proceed?
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Thanks. :-)

I continue to feel really good today. What kind of withdrawals can I expect when I get to 0mg?

I'm going to trade the leftovers for pot. They're pretty much interchangeable where I'm at. It's going to be a long while before I mess with opiates again. A friend got in a car wreck this week and he has a mild opiate habit and is in pretty bad pain and refuses to tell the hospital staff why the medications aren't working. He, like me can't risk telling anyone about our issues. Seeing him in pain pushed me over the edge about even habitually using for pleasure.
 
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