Please critique my proposed cycle

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I'm in my 40's, decent shape but not working out more than a few years seriously. Looking to lean bulk and stay tight re: my physique. Open to making changes for sure, this is to a minor degree set up as these products I can all get from one place.

I"m 6'2" 255lbs, decent shape but over 20% bf (I know the risks and will be using an ai)

Weeks 1-6 Anadrol 50mg/day (I will have 8 extra pills, should I use these the first week or last 8 days of the 6 weeks or something else?)
weeks 1-16 Test cyp 625mg/wk
weeks 3-13 Tren Ace 425mg/wk
weeks 5 1/2-16 Winstrol tabs 50mg/day
weeks 5 1/2-16 Masteron inj 50mg/day
weeks 1-16 Adex .5mg/day?

Will be using HCG throughout the full 16 weeks, need to decide on a supplier and order. Will have all products on hand before starting cycle.

What would people recommend I have on hand for poss tren induced gyno, bromo or caber?

Open to any and all feedback, I'm headstrong but want to do a safe and effective cycle. I don't have my heart set on this cycle or any aspect of it. I've got 10 grams of both torem and tomax on hand for pct

How long for pct and in what doses? Never ran a cycle this long before, 6 weeks instead of 4?

For pct I
 
Mast, tren, winny are all a waste if your BF% is as high as yours bro. Shame to waste all that gear.

Always run your AI until PCT is over. Start PCT 3 weeks after your last shot of cyp. Run clomid alone for PCT, it's all you need. Day 1&2, blast 200mg. Then four weeks 100/100/75/50.

Even with the AI, your BF% is too high. Drop down to at least 12-14% before you start. So you would start PCT on week 19 and end on 23. HCG dose, 500iu 2X a week 2-16. 10 weeks of tren is a lengthy dose, you may want a stronger AI than adex, consider aromasin at 12.5mg ED. Good luck bro.


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I would even run the HCG a little longer- stop the 19th week, and wait 3 days after your last shot of HCG to begin PCT. The exogenous testosterone will stay in your system for up to 3 weeks or so, continuing with the HCG will ensure your testicles are producing some natural test when you begin PCT.

For severe gyno during your cycle, nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate). That may be the "tomax" you listed, however I am not sure.
 
I hear you about bf but have run several cycles at over 20% bf and don't think it's dangerous at all. If it is and I have missed something in my research, could you tell me what the risks are (don't make assumptions about my bp, cholestorol levers, etc... they are all EXCELLENT). So in my research I haven't seen risks aside from gyno and I cover that with letro or adex (and will add caber or whatever is best for prolactin induced gyno).

PCT weeks 19-23 500iu 2x/wk
HCG 500iu 2x/week 2-16

Either cut back on weeks of tren (run it last 8 weeks?) or run aromasin at 12.5ed ..... what about letro as an AI, I have had success with that in the past on a test/tren/var cycle.
Don't know if I will drop the tren but mast and winny I sure might do that as it makes sense to me. Care to elaborate on why I shoudn't run the tren? I have had good results running it around the same bf in the past (albeit not the same results as someone with 12% bf).

I hate clomid and prefer nolva, and torem as pct drugs (torem is a lesser known second generation serm)

or DrH advice: HCG weeks 1-19 and start pct 3 days after last shot of HCG
AI's have always been good to avoid gyno on cycle, letro for the most part. Yes, tomax-nolvadex

Thoughts on my updated post. Hope I can get more feedback from you guys even though I'm not just blindly agreeing to everrything said. I truely do apprecate the advice but also have a mind of my own and like to understand what I am going to do, what is being recommended, etc.

Bottom line, I greatly apprecate any feedback I get. So Thanks guys!!!!!
 
Clomid is your friend. Clomid is now universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone. Nolva will lower both your GH and IGF levels.

And no...I would not run the HCG until the 19th week as DrHiney suggested. It's important to discontinue the hcg before you start post-cycle-Therapy so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body's own lh - leutenizing hormone - production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used).

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 250iu every 4 day starting 14 days after your first anabolic steroids dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hcg two weeks before the anabolic steroids clear the system. For example, you would drop hcg about the same time as your last testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hcg about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn't begin until you are off hcg since your body will not release its own lh - leutenizing hormone - until the hcg has cleared the system.

I have 22 references for everything I explained above....let me know if you want me to post them.



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Titus said:
I hear you about bf but have run several cycles at over 20% bf and don't think it's dangerous at all.
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It's not so much dangerous (it is....high bp and cholesterol), it's a waste of gear bro. You said you ran "several" cycles at over 20% bf. That would mean you should have several years of training under your belt. With all that training, your bf% should be in the single digits or at the very least, lower teens. My guess is that your diet is off or you are not training correctly. Post your diet.



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My diet is obviously off. MY bp and cholesterol are both excellent. I can understand dropping the winny and masteron but why the tren?
 
Jesus- you'd be on a 17aa for 16weeks! I'd drop the Anadrol completly.
 
I agree that there needs to be a break between the start of PCT and the last shot of HCG. However, with the OPs weight, BF, and amount of hormones being run to consider, the exogenous test will remain in his system for up to 21 days, and so he will not have an even clearance of the hormones until that point. This is why it makes sense to run the HCG until the end of the 21 day period, then have a break of no HCG before beginning PCT( maybe postponing PCT until 2 weeks after the last injection of HCG).

However I am not a physician and Victor definitely has more experience with AAS than I do. This is simply what seems logical to me.
 
^If he has the HCG in his system, his body won't release any LH. The HCG would have to clear before PCT starts to take effect. His stats (weight, bf%, etc) won't be a factor, the amount of time that passes after his last shot of HCG will. You continue to stay on the AI while waiting though, and that helps slip into PCT much easier.


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