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Playing with intra-mucosal fentanyl.

avatarolt

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Actually, the message isn't from me, per se, seeing as I have yet to be introduced to the world of pharms (although I'm sure it would be great fun).
My mother suffers from a disease known as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy. If you know about it, I'm extremely sorry -- it probably means you know someone with the disease. For our intents and purposes for this post, however, all you *really* need to know is that she's a chronic pain sufferer.
She gets raspberry-flavored Actiq (brand name for fentanyl) intra-mucosal suckers for her breakthrough pain -- 800mcg. Question 1, I suppose, is whether or not they *do* have recreational value -- I assume they do, she has to fill out triplicate forms.
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Now, my father is an avid backpacker, and is getting to that point in his life where he needs to take solo trips to get to where he's going (no one keeps up anymore). He asked me at a dinner recently what I thought would happen if he stuck one of the suckers in his bag lest he break a leg on the trail or some such.
The labels clearly state: "for people already under opiate prescription" or some such. He's worried about possibly overdosing and/or whether or not the sucker would hold him through until rescue arrived. He weighs 200lbs. Has an average to slow metabolism, but the hiking helps. For all intents and purposes, were he to break his leg, it would probably be on a mostly empty stomach (he doesn't eat much for breakfast -- just some instant mix).
So, anyone have any suggestions other than grabbing the box and hoarding them for myself?
 
I don't know specific dosages for fentanyl but if the label states "for people already under opiate prescription", I'd assume that taking them without a tolerance could be fatal. Just a guess...
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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals...and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant...earth would become paradise."
 
i would highly reccommend him to *NOT* mess around with them suckers. fentanyl is EXTREMELY potent, something like 20x that of heroin. as its active in lsd-ish doses of micrograms, you can tell how potent it is. i dont know about 800micrograms, but if he has no opiate tolerance at all, that may be enough to kill him, dont quote me but even still it would be an extremely high dose. so i'd advise him to just hang with the pain of a broken leg if that happens
 
I'm not fentanyl expert, but I don't think I would go around ingesting 800 mcg with no tolerance. Check out erowid for fentanyl dosages. I think a normal recreational dose is between 400-500 mcg, but I could be wrong.
 
In which case then, if 400-500mcg is recreational then, could he theoretically just lick the sucker (remember, it's intra-mucosal) say until the pain went away, and then remove the sucker? Is that a reasonable way to use one of these? A suck or two, then wait for onset, apply as necessary until you make it out? If that's indeed the case, it may even be better -- he's looking for something that he can draw out until the rescue party *does* come. Sometimes that can take a couple days out on the trails.
Thanks for being kind thus far.
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Honestly, I think painkillers are just downright bad news. If it's in micrograms? Can't be good. Look at Ocycotton (sp?)...I've done em' a few times. 1 1/2 crushed up, taken over about 3 hours...I then get a cold sweat that soaks my shirt and I puke. Can't imagine what that stuff would do. Done morphine once before, didn't like that either, just puked all day. Not my thing, but think twice before messing w/ pharmies: They are *really* well enginered drugs.
 
"painkillers are bad" yea buddy you are ignorant you need to go home.
Anyway i would say it is evenly distributed through the sucker so suck on a 1/4 of it and see what it gets you, do more if you need it and dont do the whole thing of course, make sure you dont do more than a ratio of the normal dose of fentanyl which is around 100MCG NOT 500 DAMMIT! , so you should be sucking for a few minutes, stopping and waiting for the effect, so dont suck for more than a few minutes.
BE DAMN CAREFULL WITH FENTANYL ESPECIALLY THE ONES FOR TOLLERANT PATIENTS, IF YOUR DAD CAN MANAGE TO USE IT A SMALL BIT AT A TIME UNTIL HE GETS WHAT HE NEEDS (IT PROBABLY TASTES GOOD TOO
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GO FOR IT BUT IF HE CANT YOU DONT WANT TO FUCK WITH IT AT ALL! ALSO DONT EVER BITE THROUGH ONE OF THOSE THINGS!!! I CANT TELL YOU HOW BAD THAT WOULD BE.
Be careful , i dont scream often,
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Anyway i would say it is evenly distributed through the sucker so suck on a 1/4 of it
I forgot to mention that my mother (who uses this on a regular basis -- she has a serious nerve disease) did mention that the sucker seemed evenly distributed.
ratio of the normal dose of fentanyl which is around 100MCG NOT 500 DAMMIT! , so you should be sucking for a few minutes, stopping and waiting for the effect, so dont suck for more than a few minutes.
Thanks for clearing up the dosage issue. I was going to suggest the above method to my father *anyhow* just to be on the safe side. Again, this isn't going to be used recreationally, if ever at all -- this is a "worst case scenario" precaution if the old geezer compound fractures a limb off in the wilderness somewhere. But the above information is the most useful I've got so far. I've passed it along to him.
Incidentally, 800mcg is the correct dosage of the sucker -- I triple-checked it, doubting it quite a bit myself. Again, this is for high-level breakthrough pain on a nerve disease -- which is yet another reason why I plan on cautioning him against this except in an absolute worse case scenario.
CAN MANAGE TO USE IT A SMALL BIT AT A TIME UNTIL HE GETS WHAT HE NEEDS (IT PROBABLY TASTES GOOD TOO GO FOR IT BUT IF HE CANT
Sure can. My mother can go through one in 10 minutes, so one has to assume you can dissolve it bit by bit.
YOU DONT WANT TO FUCK WITH IT AT ALL! ALSO DONT EVER BITE THROUGH ONE OF THOSE THINGS!!! I CANT TELL YOU HOW BAD THAT WOULD BE.
Roger.
Thanks for the help, it was exactly what I needed to know.
For the rest of you, I've advised him against any use save "worst case scenario." No one plans on using this recreationally (I was asking out of curiousity's sake).
*edits were for tense and grammar*
[This message has been edited by avatarolt (edited 06 July 2001).]
[This message has been edited by avatarolt (edited 06 July 2001).]
 
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