Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
You are thinking of the Colorado River Toad. It has glands that pump out 5-MeO-DMT.
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You are thinking of the Colorado River Toad. It has glands that pump out 5-MeO-DMT.
dalpat077
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That sounds familiar. He did note candidly though: who would even think to try doing that the first time? I just cannot under any circumstances see myself wondering through a strange place, seeing a strange looking frog, and think to myself "I wonder what will happen if I take a secretion from this frog and smoke it?"! Lol! Mind you. Maybe a simple answer i.e. somebody caught one, decided to cook it on a fire as food, and, well, found themselves on another planet from inhaling the smoke off of the fire. Who knows how these things happens.
Apparently that stuff is REALLY potent though (according to him and some or the other psychonaut that he is now big mates with it would seem).
Anyway. As per usual: gonna get in trouble from the OP for going off topic. Sorry OP. These thing just happen! Lol!
Wolf's bane is the only one I hadn't heard of. It seems like hemlock is the deadliest overall. Interesting
That's quite the poem! A little mean but on point.
Shady's Fox
Bluelighter
*plot twist* he wants to kill someone and in the court ya
u already know
u already know
another reason to get my ass to CO as soon as possible.
OrbitalCombustion
Bluelighter
Ahem Socrates drank what?Hemlock is most definitely fatally toxic to humans in quite low doses.
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Conium maculatum - Wikipedia
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Foreigner
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If all you care about are big news scandals about herbalism, then you aren't a researcher or scientifically minded. You're just a consumer of media bullshit. I've been doing this for 15+ years and there are plenty of scientific studies available on just about everything. For every practitioner that does something bad, there are thousands out there working earnestly to help people, despite your disdain. There's also a lot of traditional based reporting that is highly accurate and historical, just as valuable. Inductive evidence over thousands of years adds up to something, even if science hasn't yet qualified it. My initial training was in traditional methods, at the university level and also through experiential learning with indigenous people. I probably learned more from them than anywhere. It's why your claim that you could google 1000+ poisonous plants is kind of non-sense. You need direct field experience to know what you're looking at, so you don't kill yourself. People misidentify plants all the time using plant keys, even professionals. It's why experiential learning is part of the process. But if you think you know more than me, then have fun wasting your time hunting for plants.
Your backstory for why you posted the video sounds really bullshitty. I'm supposed to believe you felt down about cancer patients and wanted to cheer yourself up by making fun of my way of life. I find you insincere and backpeddling. It's pretty obvious you just wanted to poke fun at "alternative medicine", a term that big pharma made up by the way in order to psychologically manipulate the public into thinking the pharmaceutical industry is primary and everything else gets othered. So... to sum it all up, fuck you and your phony apology.
Foreigner
Bluelighter
Why don't you take your own advice, dimwit? Rather than calling me out for animosity, why don't you just use the mod report button? Now you're crying because I talked back to you. Well that's what happens when you don't mind your own business. Maybe next time you'll know better.
I'm happy to give my expertise to people who treat me as an equal human being, but not to people who belittle my life's work in passing cruelty like it's nothing at all to them to try and degrade another individual. People get away with a lot of subtle digs and disrespect on these boards, but it's always the ones who call them out and "flame" who get dinged for it. That's because I make it loud and clear when I call bullshit. I'm not a coward who works in obscurity. I attack bullies when they attack me, especially if they think they can say something under their breath and get away with it because they're too much of a coward to come out and say the thing directly. You don't get to ask for my help while making fun of what I have dedicated to my life to. It doesn't work that way. Respect works two ways. You disrespect me, I disrespect you.
Again, mind your own fucking business, or use the mod report button.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Man, that’s heavy. Maybe you need a good peppermint and chamomile infusion to reduce your stress levels. I am trying to imagine what the response would be of a scientist or doctor to an anti-science person criticising their work. I expect, thoroughly secure in the knowledge that what they do is essential to human flourishing, they would first pity the person criticising them for their ignorance and then move on to continue doing good in the world and totally confident in themselves. They certainly wouldn’t be foul mouthed, petulant or abusive.
I can’t help noticing that does not seem to be how alternative medical practitioners react to comments or questions about what they do. Instead of being ‘rational’ (like science) they get really emotional (like non-science). I expect most doctors could even take a joke about being in the pay of ‘big pharma’ without having a meltdown.
It was just a lighthearted video not an all out assault. Chill out.
Foreigner
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This comment right here is the truth of what you really think, what your original jab at me showed me. At least you've finally showed some balls to come out and say it, instead of some bullshitty story about feeling bad for cancer patients and needing to lookup a lighthearted song.
Your division of emotion/non-science and rational/science is a big laugh. We're not in a lab here, we're on a social forum where you're acting like a jerk and being called on it. Grow a pair and apologize, sincerely, and I will probably move on. But every time you jab my further, I am just going to fight with you more.
You didn't post anything scientific for me to refute. You just insulted my practice "because science". Don't even bother trying to take the higher ground, I see right through you.
Foreigner
Bluelighter
You're not against me, but in the same sentence you call me a joke licensed herbalist.
You are so full of shit it's unbelievable.
Don't dish it out if you can't handle it. You don't own this thread. If you want it to go a certain way, then there should be a decorum of respect. If people disrespect me, I call them on it. You can see the thousands of other posts I've made on this board, 99.8% of them well measured. A few are angry like these ones because little asshats try to mess with me and then try gaslighting me into thinking I didn't see what I think I saw. I know what I read and saw. I saw a pro-rationalist brat attacking me because, by his own admission, he read some news articles about hack herbalists, and thought it would be funny to make fun of me by posting a video framing alternative practitioners as anti-science nuts, rather than having an actual scientific discussion with me. When called on it, he now claims I am being emotional and non-scientific. That's sociopaths for you.
It's not my fault if you're too much of a coward to own your own idiocy. If you make fun of my life's work I will tear into you. If you don't apologize, I won't stop. Get used to it, shithead.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Wow. That’s some pathological insecurity you’ve got going on there @Foreigner. It’s kind of weird that you are making the case for emotion and non-rationality in a neuroscience forum.
My understanding is that a person seriously engaged in understanding the healing and other properties of plants would be qualified as a biologist. A person really seriously engaged in that pursuit would probably be double qualified as a chemist.
I think @The Wizard of the Creek’s question about your qualifications (though poorly phrased) has become germane to this conversation. You entered this thread with a claim that you uniquely possess information not publicly available by virtue of being a herbalist.
The claimed secret nature of that information was the first red flag that you might be a carpetbagging charlatan. Science is open. Anybody can read the papers and patents and evaluate its claims to truth. Claims to secret knowledge have been the way quacks have duped the gullible for centuries.
Do you a qualification in biology or chemistry? Any kind of 4 year science degree in any discipline from a reputable university.
Or is your epistemology entirely based on swearing at people on the internet?
My understanding is that a person seriously engaged in understanding the healing and other properties of plants would be qualified as a biologist. A person really seriously engaged in that pursuit would probably be double qualified as a chemist.
I think @The Wizard of the Creek’s question about your qualifications (though poorly phrased) has become germane to this conversation. You entered this thread with a claim that you uniquely possess information not publicly available by virtue of being a herbalist.
The claimed secret nature of that information was the first red flag that you might be a carpetbagging charlatan. Science is open. Anybody can read the papers and patents and evaluate its claims to truth. Claims to secret knowledge have been the way quacks have duped the gullible for centuries.
Do you a qualification in biology or chemistry? Any kind of 4 year science degree in any discipline from a reputable university.
Or is your epistemology entirely based on swearing at people on the internet?
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