Planning to roll twice in one week - need help & advice

[badrobot114]

It's fine to warn people of the 'long-term comedown' scenario, but there's no need to approach every single person who posts this question and echo the same untrue statement 'if you break the 1 month rule you will fuck your serotonin system for months and years'. That's what happens every-time somebody asks about rolling a few times in a row. A flock of high and mighty posters bombard him with this belief, which isn't true at all.

Some people get a month long depression even if they follow the '1 month rule' (which isn't really a 'rule' anywhere but on bluelight to be perfectly honest...not many users in the drug world actually follow this to heart). Some people never get a comedown that lasts any longer than a day or two, even if they use every single week. Frankly, I don't believe in a comedown that lasts any longer than a month. In my opinion the people who claim MDMA is the reason for their anxiety and depression issues lasting any longer than this timeframe are simply trying to find a scapegoat. Some of the threads on here about people talking about comedowns lasting for years are bollocks, in my opinion. Just anxious and depressed individuals spreading misinformation. It's not their fault, they genuinely believe MDMA is the cause, but that is the nature of anxiety. You latch onto something, anything, to explain your anxiety. It's much healthier to move on with life and stop playing the blame game.

I agree though with the general sentiment that using once per month is a good idea. You can get away with more use, but it's not worth the diminished rolls. Tolerance is certainly a real thing. One month does seem to be the perfect time-frame to maintain a low tolerance and stay healthy.

In the meantime, things that will help are:
- Limit alcohol consumption with MDMA
- High trypotophan diet - bananas, eggs and 85% cacoa chocolate help a lot, as well as a vitamin b supplement
- Try to use something similar to MDMA, but not as strong (BK-MDMA) for better results, but still a good time
- Piracetam everyday with choline
- SamE
- You can try 5htp, but personally I don't like it
- Use antioxidants before, during and after roll

He's going to do this anyway, you might as well give him real advice instead of reiterating the same old story.

That could be a valid explanation if the symptoms weren't uniform and almost all the users suffering from them didn't attest to never having issues like this before. I don't understand the point in denying a well established casual relationship, both scientifically and through case reports. MDMA is potentially neurotoxic in humans, and can majorly upset the chemical balance of the most complex and sensitive chemical system in the brain. This really isn't a debate or a matter of opinion but a documented and practical concern.

This system, unlike any other of it's kind in the brain isn't built to withstand the kind of extreme alterations MDMA causes. All the other neurochemical systems in our brain go through constant increases and decreases in transmission naturally. This makes them more resilient to drug-induced changes and also better equipped to deal with them.

When you take MDMA for the first time, you're forcing your brain to go through a change it has never went through before. In comparison, when you take an Amphetamine for the first time, you merely radicalize a familiar process. I believe it is this difference, rather than neurotoxicity, that is responsible for the extreme(i'd even go as far as to say binary) nature of MDMA side effects that you never see with other drugs - you're either fine after taking it (true for the majority of people) or you're utterly turned upside down.

We all use the drug with this knowledge, because when used responsibly the risk for something bad happening is indeed very small, but to outright deny this is a pointless exercise in denial. But I digress, it's obvious that most people can deal with using MDMA and occasionally going overboard just fine.

Lastly, like I stated before, no one here claims that is guaranteed to happen every time someone rolls too often. We all agree it's ok to overdo it once in a while as long as it doesn't turn into a habit and all we do is pepper the practical, real advice, with a fair warning is all. You definitely gave very good advice to the OP, as have others. Notice there's not a single "just say no" comment in this entire thread.

 

[MagickalKat777]

In the meantime, things that will help are:
- Limit alcohol consumption with MDMA
- High trypotophan diet - bananas, eggs and 85% cacoa chocolate help a lot, as well as a vitamin b supplement
- Try to use something similar to MDMA, but not as strong (BK-MDMA) for better results, but still a good time
- Piracetam everyday with choline
- SamE
- You can try 5htp, but personally I don't like it
- Use antioxidants before, during and after roll

Okay maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm much more sore than I ever have been in my life but I'm getting a little bit tweaked about these types of posts.

Your brain naturally gains a tolerance in order to protect itself. Where is the harm reduction in here? If you can't get off on a roll, DON'T ROLL! Take a break and let your serotonin recover. All of these things are just band-aids. It is pretty much inevitable that when you abuse drugs, you crash hard. And that's the way it should be. As they say, what goes up must come down. You're all nuts if you think that cheating your brain and your central nervous system won't come back to bite you in the ass later.

You know who used to champion all of these miracle cures for lost magic, tolerance, and avoiding crashes? You're looking at his post right now. Guess what... I most likely did more damage in the longterm than if I had just taken a break and done something else...

As has been said... Rolling twice in one week has been shown to potentially cause problems. And in some cases, the consequences from a one off night of MDMA that you knew was pushing it too far? They are FAR more severe than most drugs that I can think of! I used to abuse the ever-loving shit out of the research chemical psychedelics (aMT and 5-MeO-aMT were by FAR my worst - my biggest 5-MeO-aMT bender had me taking 36mg (yes, 36mg) to get to a ++) because my tolerance was so high from doing it daily for like two weeks - and I never once had a nasty crash other than being exhausted. I crashed from MDA the first time I had it. I was picturing in my head all the ways I could kill myself. That was from 2 moderate dose pills. I'd say they had no more than 60-70mg of MDA in each one along with a good bit of caffeine and a very small amount of meth. Yes, the meth and caffeine definitely made the crash a bit worse but I've had pure MDA and the crash can still be fucking brutal.

Outside of MDA and MDMA, alcohol is the only other drug I've ever done that has such a severe crash. And I used to cocktail all kinds of shit like a total idiot. You're all getting sage advice. Those of us saying "don't do it" are saying it because we have the experience and *KNOW* what happens!

 

[SilentRoller]

I agree with MagicalKatt on this one. Whilst I am not a believer of these long term MDMA comedowns, I did once use MDMA and 6-APB two days in a row (500mg MDMA day one, and 200mg 6-APB day 2). What followed was debilitating brain zaps which didn't subside for months, not to mention the vertigo, depression and nausea that followed for the weeks after.

Of course, I can, and have used MDMA since without issue, and I continue to enjoy myself. However, I space out my rolls by an average of 3-4 months. Sure you can roll twice in one week, but why bother rolling the dice? It's just not worth it......

Overuse and abuse of SRA's in nothing to laugh about. They can and will fuck you up eventually, and when they do, you will wish you had listened. Perhaps use another drug for your second event, like 2C-B, AL-LAD or mushrooms.

 

[jess046]

Okay maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm much more sore than I ever have been in my life but I'm getting a little bit tweaked about these types of posts.

Your brain naturally gains a tolerance in order to protect itself. Where is the harm reduction in here? If you can't get off on a roll, DON'T ROLL! Take a break and let your serotonin recover. All of these things are just band-aids. It is pretty much inevitable that when you abuse drugs, you crash hard. And that's the way it should be. As they say, what goes up must come down. You're all nuts if you think that cheating your brain and your central nervous system won't come back to bite you in the ass later.

You know who used to champion all of these miracle cures for lost magic, tolerance, and avoiding crashes? You're looking at his post right now. Guess what... I most likely did more damage in the longterm than if I had just taken a break and done something else...

As has been said... Rolling twice in one week has been shown to potentially cause problems. And in some cases, the consequences from a one off night of MDMA that you knew was pushing it too far? They are FAR more severe than most drugs that I can think of! I used to abuse the ever-loving shit out of the research chemical psychedelics (aMT and 5-MeO-aMT were by FAR my worst - my biggest 5-MeO-aMT bender had me taking 36mg (yes, 36mg) to get to a ++) because my tolerance was so high from doing it daily for like two weeks - and I never once had a nasty crash other than being exhausted. I crashed from MDA the first time I had it. I was picturing in my head all the ways I could kill myself. That was from 2 moderate dose pills. I'd say they had no more than 60-70mg of MDA in each one along with a good bit of caffeine and a very small amount of meth. Yes, the meth and caffeine definitely made the crash a bit worse but I've had pure MDA and the crash can still be fucking brutal.

Outside of MDA and MDMA, alcohol is the only other drug I've ever done that has such a severe crash. And I used to cocktail all kinds of shit like a total idiot. You're all getting sage advice. Those of us saying "don't do it" are saying it because we have the experience and *KNOW* what happens!

I agree your brain will develop tolerance, but it doesn't last very long, especially if you don't roll all the time and supplement efficiently to prevent tolerance. Rolling twice in one week on and off is not going to bring about a monster tolerance that will last months. I don't think any of my suggestions are 'band-aids'. A high tryptophan diet and a vitamin b6 supplement, plus magnesium, which I forgot to mention, (for a couple of weeks) are fantastic additions to any person's health and will help replenish the brain naturally after a roll to some degree. SamE has been used for people with depression and quite successfully (there's just as much evidence backing up SamE and 5HTP as there is SSRIs, although that isn't saying all that much). Piracetam is safe to use and I enjoy its effects on the brain regardless of it's use with MDMA tolerance. I use it daily no matter if I've rolled recently or not, it has fantastic health benefits. Antoxidants are not band-aids, they are a no-brainer for any MDMA user to take with their roll if they at all care about neurotoxicity. And finally, whilst BK-MDMA does diminish 5HT, it is a much better option for somebody who wants to roll more regularly and will be less harmful in the long run and probably bring about stronger rolls than repeat MDMA use (although it's not as much fun as a good MD roll). I've rarely done MDMA twice in a month, only once or twice, but I've used BK quite successfully for a few weeks in row (tolerance sets in after about a month, which means break time).

Lastly, a small group of people posting on an online forum about long-term damage from MDMA is not sufficient evidence at all. There is no evidence that MDMA leads to severe depression and anxiety in the long-term. The brain is a wonderful thing and it has an incredible capacity to heal itself. A few big nights on E are not going to give you crippling depression for years. Most likely these poor individuals have some form of anxiety prior to MDMA and after going through the post-MDMA depression phase (1 week max in my opinion), they believe they have been damaged and continue to create these anxious symptoms with their minds because they believe they've damaged their brains with E. I had a very bad panic attack on speed once (my first panic attack ever) and for awhile after I was convinced I had screwed myself over in the longterm. A month later I took some MDMA very apprehensively, believing at the time it was a bad idea because I had altered my brain chemistry somehow from the speed. Guess what? I was fine and suffered no problems with anxiety since then, including no anxiety after regular BK/MDMA and MDMA use (I try to follow the 1 month rule). I had created the anxiety in my head from one bad experience. Once I realised it was all in my head, I was fine.

Although I will emphasise that regular MDMA use does down-regulate the receptors. That's why the one month rule works I guess. But a one-off two rolls in a one week is not going to down-regulate the receptors massively. In fact you could probably roll for months regularly (like once a week) without down-regulating the receptors too much, but you'd be shooting yourself in the foot so to speak in regards to long-term MDMA consumption. Tolerance will definitely happen, but not as soon as some people claim on here.

Anyway, that's it from me, guys. I think we've covered the debate here sufficiently.

 

[alasdairm]

So, as crazy as it sounds...(and I guess I have to say this clearly) I DO NOT RECOMMEND TO TRY THIS but MDMA is the "cure" for a long term MDMA comedown. And that's a fact.

it's not a fact. it's your opinion. you are entitled to your opinions but please stop trying to pass them off as facts.

alasdair

 

[coelophysis]

Since when did MDMA EVER come back to haunt anyone?

Read around this section. There are plenty of threads on it.
Why do you have to come off so aggressive?

 

[Mazzab]

Well said Bro! And I wanted to make a comment about the "Long Term comedowns" ....

Yes I do believe those are possible. I've even experienced ones before after some binges. But that was part of my point! That if you roll constantly, it literally cures the long term comedown part. For instance,let's say you rolled once a month and you simply had a horrible 1 week comedown....you could of rolled 2 days after that and then the next time there would only be a normal comedown for less than 1 day or no comedown at all! Yes that is how it works, Ive been there and done that.

So, as crazy as it sounds...(and I guess I have to say this clearly) I DO NOT RECOMMEND TO TRY THIS but MDMA is the "cure" for a long term MDMA comedown. And that's a fact. Take MDMA on the comedown and I guarantee you'll be right back up again! But as I said I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT because that is like abusing drugs. That what they force you to do when you go to the hospital. They give you a quick fix, which is all that MDMA is...but at least MDMA has some ever lasting properties that I feel are beneficial for people. But yes the drug CAN BE EVIL, even with all the love, you can be deceived while undedr the influence because you could be right next to somebody evil and you wouldn't even have the sense to know it!

Wow.

 

[Mel22]

Well said Bro! And I wanted to make a comment about the "Long Term comedowns" ....

Yes I do believe those are possible. I've even experienced ones before after some binges. But that was part of my point! That if you roll constantly, it literally cures the long term comedown part. For instance,let's say you rolled once a month and you simply had a horrible 1 week comedown....you could of rolled 2 days after that and then the next time there would only be a normal comedown for less than 1 day or no comedown at all! Yes that is how it works, Ive been there and done that.

So, as crazy as it sounds...(and I guess I have to say this clearly) I DO NOT RECOMMEND TO TRY THIS but MDMA is the "cure" for a long term MDMA comedown. And that's a fact. Take MDMA on the comedown and I guarantee you'll be right back up again! But as I said I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT because that is like abusing drugs. That what they force you to do when you go to the hospital. They give you a quick fix, which is all that MDMA is...but at least MDMA has some ever lasting properties that I feel are beneficial for people. But yes the drug CAN BE EVIL, even with all the love, you can be deceived while undedr the influence because you could be right next to somebody evil and you wouldn't even have the sense to know it!

Lol.

Don't go too hard on the MDMA kiddies, unless you want that^ to happen to your brain.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I'm closing this thread to stop further derailing. If you have any questions or want this reopened for some reason, there is a link to send me a PM in my signature.