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Planning a more intense trip (advice)

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Dr Suage

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Dear All, some well considered advice would be much appreciated.

Tripping is fairly new to me and I have had both positive and negative experiences so far. I have 3 hits of LSD hiding inside a book on my shelf in my room and I plan to devour them all in one foul swoop. The questions I want answered are these:
1. Am I actually ready for this level of experience? Or am I kidding myself?
2. I am planning to trip at my house during a period where I have the place to myself for a week, would you do anything specific to prepare the environment? How would you mentally prepare for your trip?

To give you some source material to attempt to deal with question 1 I will relate to you a short history of my trips so far.

First Trip:
I went to Amsterdam with a friend when I was 19 and a different person to get myself well and truly "****ed up". Having no experience with tripping whatsoever, we decided that 3x the recommended doseage of shrooms was the way to go. I recall the first 2 hours being full of hysterical laughing, confusion and colour, before the drugs really kicked in. The world went black and all I could understand was random flashes of colour. I had the distinct impression of observing myself and not particularly liking what I saw: a stupid, spoiled public school boy who was out to get himself as fucked up as he possibly could. I ended up having a long hard look at myself, my behaviour and the potentially dangerous situation I had put myself in. Extremely negative thought patterns persisted for a day afterwards (this shroom trip lasted in excess of 13 hours) but I consider the experience to have had an overwhelmingly positive effect on me in the long run, since I learned a valuable lesson about my own limitations. This obviously omits some of the stories about bridging different realities but that stuff is for the trip report forum.

Second Trip:
Took a much smaller dose of shrooms with a different friend about 4 months after that first experience. Again, I don't think I got it right this time because of the social setting (a night out) but it wasnt a negative experience - more neutral. I became extremely ponderous and interested in distilling "the true meaning of things" which was boring as hell for my mates who were out looking for a party. Good moments were going outside for a walk with my friend (thought we were gone for like 3 hours, turns out it was 10 mins or so, but again I had the distince impression of being in a different world, where the mysterious wind blew across my face and the lights seemed to twinkle different colours in the twilight). Bad moment when a drunk guy found out I was tripping and decided that it would be funny to try and scare me. I was able to deal with him by telling him to piss off and sitting myself down and relaxing for a bit.

Third Trip:
A friend had her birthday party in my house, which consisted of sampling a new drug which none of us had heard of called 25i-NBOMe. After a particularly nauseous come-up, I had a pretty intense mentally confusing trip for about 8 hours but not many visual phenomena. Sounds different to most peoples Nbomb experiences but hey-ho I enjoyed tripping in a group scenario, despite feeling extremely weak at points during the trip.

Fourth Trip:
Took 1 hit of acid to try and get a feel for it. Sod all happened beyond the shivers and thought loops and mental confusion.

5th trip:
Took 2 hits of something which was sold as acid but was probably something else since it numbed my tounge, tasted bitter and had a very quick rushy comeup. However I had an absolutely brilliant time, visuals were out of this world - letters and numbers were dancing, objects were changing size and waving in the wind, colours abounded. I saw rivers flowing in any patterened surface and energy vortexes on the walls. I rediscovered my love of The Beatles, connected with all my new housemates who were tripping as well and revelled in the ecstatic feelings of joy that flowed through me.

6th trip:
Took 1 hit of the acid I have now to gauge its strength. Similar to trip 4.

7th trip:
Took another hit of the trip 5 stuff. Similar to trip 4.



Thus I am planning trip 8, taking 3 hits of the trip 6 stuff.

What kind of experience should I expect? How should I prepare myself? Am I personally ready?

Thanks very much for your time and effort and feel free to ask me any questions.
X
 
Look, if you're still new to tripping, don't have a sitter, and don't feel prepared for a three-dose LSD trip, just take a lower dose. Two tabs maybe. When you're ready for more, you'll feel ready.

The one piece of preparation you really need to do is find a trusted friend who's willing to chill with you during your trip, so that if things go south you'll have someone sober around to help you out.
 
How do you even know it's acid you've got? You say trip 4, 6 and 7 were all similar, but 5 and 7 clearly weren't LSD. It sounds to me like that was some 2C-: the visuals sound a lot like what I experienced on a high dose of 2C-E and the difference between 1 and 2 "hits" was huge for you. All 2C-'s have a steep response curve, which would explain that difference, so if you were to take three of those hits at the same time it probably would be way too much.
If you're not going to have a sitter I'd also recommend to take 2 hits. If it's acid you'll still get a new experience, as you've never taken that much LSD. And if it's not, well you'll probably be glad you didn't take that third hit ;) With a sitter you could perhaps take a little leap and take all three, but only if you're willing to risk an overwhelming experience.
 
Chikkenstorm said:
How do you even know it's acid you've got? You say trip 4, 6 and 7 were all similar, but 5 and 7 clearly weren't LSD. It sounds to me like that was some 2C-: the visuals sound a lot like what I experienced on a high dose of 2C-E and the difference between 1 and 2 "hits" was huge for you. All 2C-'s have a steep response curve, which would explain that difference, so if you were to take three of those hits at the same time it probably would be way too much.
If you're not going to have a sitter I'd also recommend to take 2 hits. If it's acid you'll still get a new experience, as you've never taken that much LSD. And if it's not, well you'll probably be glad you didn't take that third hit ;) With a sitter you could perhaps take a little leap and take all three, but only if you're willing to risk an overwhelming experience.
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i dont think we are going to get anywhere guessing what this guy took based on anecdotal accounts of what he saw...plus that sounds a little too close to against the rules.

secondly, if you are going to take a more intense trip, you need to do a few things beforehand:

find and plan out your tripspace, make sure its safe and comfortable
have a sitter
make sure you are mentally prepared
come up with some kind of backup plan--ie if it rains, and you plan on tripping outside, have a place to go thats dry
test your drugs! if you have an ehrlichs test kit available, TEST YOUR SHIT!--its the only way you will really know what you are taking.

anyways three hits is strong but its not crazy strong, even if its the best stuff. you will most likely have an experience more similar to your first trip than others. three solid doses usually pushes past the groovy recreational kind of trip for me into a deeper more ego-dissolving experience, but not strong enough for me to totally lose the plot. anyways, good luck and happy trails!
 
Yeah, I'd swallow the tabs, since I doubt you'll buy a test kit before you do this, but still, a test kit is a nice thing to have.
I say:
Clean your house before dosing, thinking about what you hope to happen, make sure all your responsibilities for the day are all taken care of and you're feeling good and excited and maybe a bit nervous, turn off your phone and if you are feeling ready - eat those tabs.
Might get your ass handed to yourself still, but you should have an enjoyably mind blowing time.
 
Dr Suage said:
Dear All, some well considered advice would be much appreciated.

Tripping is fairly new to me and I have had both positive and negative experiences so far. I have 3 hits of LSD hiding inside a book on my shelf in my room and I plan to devour them all in one foul swoop. The questions I want answered are these:
1. Am I actually ready for this level of experience? Or am I kidding myself?
2. I am planning to trip at my house during a period where I have the place to myself for a week, would you do anything specific to prepare the environment? How would you mentally prepare for your trip?

To give you some source material to attempt to deal with question 1 I will relate to you a short history of my trips so far.

First Trip:
I went to Amsterdam with a friend when I was 19 and a different person to get myself well and truly "****ed up". Having no experience with tripping whatsoever, we decided that 3x the recommended doseage of shrooms was the way to go. I recall the first 2 hours being full of hysterical laughing, confusion and colour, before the drugs really kicked in. The world went black and all I could understand was random flashes of colour. I had the distinct impression of observing myself and not particularly liking what I saw: a stupid, spoiled public school boy who was out to get himself as fucked up as he possibly could. I ended up having a long hard look at myself, my behaviour and the potentially dangerous situation I had put myself in. Extremely negative thought patterns persisted for a day afterwards (this shroom trip lasted in excess of 13 hours) but I consider the experience to have had an overwhelmingly positive effect on me in the long run, since I learned a valuable lesson about my own limitations. This obviously omits some of the stories about bridging different realities but that stuff is for the trip report forum.

Second Trip:
Took a much smaller dose of shrooms with a different friend about 4 months after that first experience. Again, I don't think I got it right this time because of the social setting (a night out) but it wasnt a negative experience - more neutral. I became extremely ponderous and interested in distilling "the true meaning of things" which was boring as hell for my mates who were out looking for a party. Good moments were going outside for a walk with my friend (thought we were gone for like 3 hours, turns out it was 10 mins or so, but again I had the distince impression of being in a different world, where the mysterious wind blew across my face and the lights seemed to twinkle different colours in the twilight). Bad moment when a drunk guy found out I was tripping and decided that it would be funny to try and scare me. I was able to deal with him by telling him to piss off and sitting myself down and relaxing for a bit.

Third Trip:
A friend had her birthday party in my house, which consisted of sampling a new drug which none of us had heard of called 25i-NBOMe. After a particularly nauseous come-up, I had a pretty intense mentally confusing trip for about 8 hours but not many visual phenomena. Sounds different to most peoples Nbomb experiences but hey-ho I enjoyed tripping in a group scenario, despite feeling extremely weak at points during the trip.

Fourth Trip:
Took 1 hit of acid to try and get a feel for it. Sod all happened beyond the shivers and thought loops and mental confusion.

5th trip:
Took 2 hits of something which was sold as acid but was probably something else since it numbed my tounge, tasted bitter and had a very quick rushy comeup. However I had an absolutely brilliant time, visuals were out of this world - letters and numbers were dancing, objects were changing size and waving in the wind, colours abounded. I saw rivers flowing in any patterened surface and energy vortexes on the walls. I rediscovered my love of The Beatles, connected with all my new housemates who were tripping as well and revelled in the ecstatic feelings of joy that flowed through me.

6th trip:
Took 1 hit of the acid I have now to gauge its strength. Similar to trip 4.

7th trip:
Took another hit of the trip 5 stuff. Similar to trip 4.



Thus I am planning trip 8, taking 3 hits of the trip 6 stuff.

What kind of experience should I expect? How should I prepare myself? Am I personally ready?

Thanks very much for your time and effort and feel free to ask me any questions.
X
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I think it will be fine. I always tell myself "whatever is happening is supposed to be happening" when things go south, helps me. Do anything you think will make you comfortable. You want simple, fun stuff to do or look at, and I would want a benzo for the comedown/just in case
 
Dr Suage said:
Extremely negative thought patterns persisted for a day afterwards (this shroom trip lasted in excess of 13 hours) but I consider the experience to have had an overwhelmingly positive effect on me in the long run, since I learned a valuable lesson about my own limitations.
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13 hours, wow!

Speaking from my experience only, LSD is gentler than mushrooms, dosage curve included. Tripling your dose of shrooms will take you from a standard Saturday night psychedelic experience into ego splitting, aliens fiddling with your brain and things beyond the edges of reality. You certainly handled it better than I did the first time (my first trip was also 3x the recommended dose of shrooms, but it was a complete accident). You sound like you have a decently mature approach to it so I would not worry too much.

If the acid you've taken at one dose has only produced mild effects, I would be pretty comfortable taking all three hits. It may be strong but not the ego-pulverising experience you're preparing yourself for. Again, 3x acid is much more forgiving than 3x mushrooms.

On the other hand you don't really know what's going to happen, so maybe consider a tripsitter. Up to you.
 
Dear all

Thanks very much for the advice. I'm going to trip this evening on 2 hits, and save the third hit for my brother who's coming back from the USA and wants to try some. Since my mushroom experience, I've considered caution the better part of valour with respect to drugs.

Dropped 2 mins ago.
I'll let you know how it goes but I'm not expecting a mindbender

XXX
 
well T + 45mins: at the funny stage now - i can never tell whether this bit is a placebo or not because i get a slight rushy feeling, followed by nausea, and very very mild visual illusions that manifest on patterneed things.
 
+1 Burnsie262, thats my favorite kind of trip as well, peaceful and jammed out, nothing overly stimulating.

I went to the shop to get rizla and baccy for a spliff. Beautiful sunset on the way back. I've decided to pop the 3rd hit and see what happens.
I'll keep you updated
x
 
So...
That was not a wholly recreational affair.
Probably the most visually intense trip I've ever had.
I'll write a report of it after a couple of days time to reflect on last nights little journey.
Suffice to say - as the title of this thread indicates - I got what I was looking for and much much more. Intense, Epic, Terrifying, Beautiful.
Much to ponder x
 
I was at an old school friend’s reunion barbeque in North London enjoying myself when I decided that it was the correct night to trip when I got home. I had 3 hits of acid waiting for me at home. I feel slightly nervous and anticipatory. On the drive home I can’t decide whether to have 2 or 3. I get home circa 6:30 and drop 2 at 6:45 and decide to wait and see whether or not to have the third one. I think that I might want a spliff at some point so I dash to the shops to gather the prerequisite paraphernalia.
By the time I get back its 7:50. Very slightly off baseline, can’t tell if its placebo or not. Decide to hang it and have the third hit.
As soon as I have the third hit, I am overcome by the desire to go outside. I lie down on the hammock and watch the sunset (v. pretty). Dusk falls, I am noticeably affected. I flit about playing acoustic guitar; it feels strange in my hands. Get inside and retreat to the basement (2 lovely sofas and a projector). I turn on a film – The Guard with Don Cheadle and Brendan Gleeson (great film btw). Can’t concentrate, too much stimulus. I turn it off. Overcome by nausea. Dry retch into a plastic bag for 2 mins. After composing myself I sit on the couch and cover myself with the blanket to alleviate the chills that have come over me.
Suddenly the detail on the blanket is revealed to me in ridiculously high contrast definition. I look at my trousers and it looks like they are pulsing with sound waves. I look up at the door to the cupboard, it’s warping and twisting and beating like a heart before my eyes, reds greens yellows and blues adorn the edges of every object I look at. Receive texts from my friend Patrick. I call him and go for a very brief walk outside. The sky looks like a pastel painting of a beautiful majestic fiery inferno in the sky and the same pattern is repeated over and over. I am overcome by waves of awe as I stare at it. I tell Patrick that I have to go back inside.
The visual distortions now reign over my whole field of vision. A pepper grinder seems to melt and flow and merge with the table. I stare at the door that I looked at earlier and perceive something truly unexplainable and unarticulatable. The door’s simple pattern seems to be repeating ad infinitum in the style of a fractal, and also the impression of movement around the periphery and the beating and warping make it seem like some sort of portal beyond which the realms of madness and chaos existed. The visual effect of the door is nothing compared to the mental effect that it has on me. It seems to be the concept of Questioning personified. My mind is working on quadruple speed and I am questioning everything and nothing at the same time and not understanding the lack of answers provided. It is beautiful and terrifying.
QuestionsQuestionsQuestions QuestionsQuestionsQuestions QuestionsQuestionsQuestions QuestionsQuestionsQuestions QuestionsQuestionsQuestions QuestionsQuestionsQuestions
And no answers.
Fractals and vortexes begin to appear in my open eye field of vision. Aztec style art and things of the like. I see them but I am also very aware of my surroundings and seem to be able to separate the illusions from reality. My sense of autonomy is preserved. Gradually I become aware of an insidious and uncontrollable presence inside my mind. It is distinctly female, cartoonish, dirty, and sad and it initially fills me with revulsion. My restorative thought process kicks in quickly. I think “you asked for this, you got it lad, you wanted to see what 3 hits of acid does to you and now you’re going to have to deal with this, remember you’re in a safe environment and that this is what is meant to be happening.” I realize that the acid is showing me this presence for a reason and instead of trying to hide from it, I embrace it and focus my attention on it. I become aware that it represents the parts of my personality that I am not so proud of. I see that it represents my weakness for overindulgence in sensual pleasures such as drugs, food, sex and from afar it looks pathetic. Suddenly, I accept that this is a part of me, and I see that there are elements of the female character that are beautiful in their own unhinged, crazy, sad way and I am glad. I am proud of myself for having the maturity to face her and understand what she is telling me about myself and my personal character flaws.
I go upstairs to listen to some music. I am lying on my back staring at the ceiling seeing the fractal patterns circulating and kaleidoscoping. I think that the first song that I put on was “I’m a Believer” by The Monkees. It seems banal and childish to me. I quickly switch to a playlist I had come up with earlier which I leave on repeat. The sounds of David Bowie’s “Space Oddity” reverberate through the room, seeming to fill my body. My heart is beating quickly; throbbing like it’s infused with some cosmic rhythm. Other songs in the list included, “God Only Knows” by The Beach Boys, “All Along The Watchtower” by Jimi Hendrix, “Fake Plastic trees” by Radiohead, “Love has Gone” and “Give and Take” by Netsky and “Sometimes You Can’t Make it on Your Own” by U2. All these songs seem to fill me with an unexplainable sense of “epicness” that I become obsessed by. I look at the patterns on the ceiling and I feel like I’m falling into them and through them. I have no idea how long this continues for. My memories are extremely hazy at this point.
EPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPICEPIC
Sometime about 2:30 – 3 am, I am still listening to the playlist and the U2 song is on. It occurs to me that I am indeed very lonely. Again the restorative thought process kicks in and I accept that this is part of the experience. I find my dog for company. His presence comforts me immensely. He seems like my sole companion and confidant on this epic voyage. Cuddling him makes me feel loved and loving. The visual distortions have dropped off by now, no more fractals and vortexes, just standard effects (colours, morphing and warping etc) and I am no longer interested in them very much. I feel that I should sleep but I am filled with unexplainable restlessness. This irritates me but doesn’t worry me, I become aware by 4am that I am nearing the end.

During the fall off period I see things in my mind’s eye that I have not seen since my first psychedelic experience, an accidental 3x dose of magic mushrooms that caused me some serious anxiety at the time, even though I now consider it to have been an extremely positive influence on my life. I am in bed by this point and have turned the lights out. In my imagination I find myself in a sinister abandoned children’s play-park. I have words to describe the things that I see in my mind but I cannot remember them when I am sober. Again feelings of anxiety ensue, these were some of the imaginings that had caused me distress in my first trip – was I about to go through that again? I apply the restorative thought process and muster up the courage to look at the imaginings at accept them rather than try to hide from them and suddenly I become aware that there is nothing to fear from them. They are sinister and creepy but ultimately they seem to represent parts of my psyche and I accept that I will never be free from them but that they cannot hurt me unless I let them.

Slowly I fall into a restless and fitful sleep. I am truly out like a light by 7.00am. I feel thoroughly drained when I wake up at 11:30 and seem to spend most of the next day on a comedown of sorts although nowhere near as intense as the comedowns brought on by MDMA or the like. By about 5:00pm I manage to roll and consume the spliff that had been waiting for me since 7:30 the previous evening.

I feel humbled and awed by this experience. It was not an easy trip and there were many moments of discomfort but it feels infinitely more worthwhile than any other trip I’ve ever done.
 
there is the trip report. Its not as expansive as I plan to make it, with some alterations. I chose a stream of consciousness style since I think that reflects the feelings and sensations of the trip best. There's probably some bad english in there which I intend to tidy up.

Would anybody more experienced mind providing any insights that I might have missed?
much appreciated people xxx
 
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