Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
Op, that does it, we found a guy with "disgusting" images. And he's a mayor! This definitely indicts all politicians everywhere, including the Republicans!
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LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Stop appealing to ridicule and discuss the facts like an adult.
What do you think about the mayor reading a pedophile grooming book to children?
The evidence continues to pile up regarding the pizza code...
What do you think about the mayor reading a pedophile grooming book to children?
The evidence continues to pile up regarding the pizza code...
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
I just said, your evidence of pedophiles actively trading disaster not-orphans at all branches of government across nations is piling up: number one is a mayor who had pics of child porn. I can't wait to see the rest.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
It's both amusing and extremely disturbing to see how desperate you are to deflect and ignore all of this increasingly-public pedophile behavior. Have you even once denounced pedophilia in this thread? Do you honestly care about going after elite pedophiles who abuse children seemingly exempt from the law? This is not a good look - you appear as complicit in pedophilia and you are basically defending child rapists. I know Hillary did this in the past (and laughed about it on tape), but my advice to you is to re-assess how much you care about our children. I understand how ideologically devastating it would be to have so much evidence surfacing implicating the team that you support being involved with pedophilia. But it's worth stating again that this is a bipartisan problem.
And unfortunately you are simply a troll. I understand that this is a very frightening topic with the potential to completely change one's base assumptions about the world - but the truth is more important than your feelings.
And unfortunately you are simply a troll. I understand that this is a very frightening topic with the potential to completely change one's base assumptions about the world - but the truth is more important than your feelings.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
When this story first broke and I was still unsure of it, something that made me realize it was a sensitive and dangerous topic was when the /r/Pizzagate sub-reddit was banned. Crazy conspiracy theories are not suppressed, they are allowed to proliferate on the internet and are often promoted to paint investigators as crazy. If something is legitimately censored then there is some truth to it and they do not want it getting out.
This is one of the last posts that appeared on reddit:
On The Legitimacy Of This Investigation (with an important message to fellow journalists I know are lurking on this sub)
We are told the work on /r/Pizzagate (and other message boards) is illegitimate because people are rushing to conclusions, or because they are being paranoid, or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). The subtitle here of course is that the State is solely legitimate to suspect and investigate crimes.
But what if the State itself is, in a systemic way, responsible for said crimes? It wouldn't be a first; after all, democide (death by government, a word surprisingly absent from conversations) was the first cause of non-natural deaths in the 20th century. Whether one is from the right, left, or center, one cannot deny government is the number one abuser, enslaver and serial-killer in History. We may honestly disagree on the ways to eradicate the phenomenon, or we may regret that fact, but we cannot deny it.
So, if the State itself is committing crimes, it is the people's sovereign and sacred duty to expose it. Those who understand this truth best tend to become journalists. At least, that's what drove me to the profession.
Now specifically on this work. First, there is context; institutional child abuse is already a common-knowledge phenomenon. From the Presidio affair to Jimmy Saville and the BBC, or from the Vatican's historic involvement in covering-up pedophilia to US legislators' documented trips on the "Lolita Express", from the questions still surrounding Dutroux to the Hampstead doubts, the scourge has been featured in the news, movies, documentaries, art work. There have also been many policymakers, prosecutors, investigators and victims denouncing the very phenomenon; see for example British MP John Mann passionate speech before Parliament on the subject last year, or the extensive report by former undercover Interpol agent (Bannon). Indeed it is a secret de Polichinelle. So the only possible disagreement can be on the scale and systemicity of the phenomenon.
To honestly decide whether that's what we are seeing in the Podesta emails, please have a look at this one example. Look at the invitation at the end of the thread. Ms Luzzatto is inviting people (among which are John and Mary Podesta) to a farm in Lovettsville. This is what she says:
Impossible, you say? They couldn't possibly be speaking about abusing the children! After all, what step-grandmother would offer three innocent children up for group abuse?
This is how invitee Drew Littman answers the invitation:
Agreed, if that example was the only one, one could dismiss it as baroque misinterpretation. But there's more, much more. Let's not even get into thehandkerchiefs and codewords - even though "cheese pizza" is a known euphemism for "child porn" (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners).
How about the fact that John and Tony Podesta are old friends of Jeffery Epstein, Dennis Hastert and Clement Freud, three convicted child molesters? Who has so many child rapists as friends? Whostays friends with child rapists after they're exposed and convicted?
How about the Katy Grannan photos plastered around the Podestas' mansion, depicting naked teenagers?
How about Tony Podesta writing he's "very good and a little wired" from being seated next to "the kids" on an airplane?
How about the underground vault on the Podestas' property which admittedly allows them to watch "very complicated video pieces"?
If you are feeling ill-at-ease, that reaction is honorable. And the worse thing is you haven't yet seen much. But for more, you'll have to look for it. Indeed one might be breaking statutory laws by linking to some of the clues Internet sleuths have found in the past three weeks.
For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th "most influential" person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it's not just thefrescoes in his restaurant or the"artists" he hosts there; it's not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you'll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate.
If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught "liking" several of Alefantis' creepiest toddler Instagram posts? Again, that could be dismissed - only there's all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.
And if you're still not distinguishing the pattern, did you know that Laura Silsby (Gayler), the woman caught trying to smuggle thirty-three children out of Haiti (a country where the Clinton Foundation isn't without controversy), whose release from jail became a personal matter for Ms Clinton, thereafterbecame an associate of MyStateUSA, which changed its name to AlertSense, and which is the one providing the technology to issue Amber Alerts?
Enough already. If anything I have proven the legitimacy of the following question:
Is there a systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC, as we already suspect there is one in Hollywood?
In terms of national systemicity, the statistics are eloquent. The International Centre for Missing Children (ICMEC) estimates that 8 million children are reported missing each year around the world. Of that number, according to U.S. Department of Justice research, an estimated 800,000 children will go missing in the United States alone — a rate of over 2'000 missing children each day — with 466,949 of those cases entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database in 2014. With a current child population (aged 0 – 17) of around 74 million in the United States, the U.S. Department of Justice figures equate to around 1 child in every 92 going missing in the United States each year.
This looks like a systemic problem indeed. Childhood disappearances outnumber cancer deaths in the United States by one third.
Therefore, given the sheer amount of leaked emails, and the suspected phenomenon's scale and repartition, it is likely the data dumps (Podesta and other Wikileaks, Guccifer 1/2, DNCLeaks, etc.) provide some clue to the problem. Therefore, they should be investigated thoroughly under than particular lens, and suspicions need to be corroborated with other (and previously) known facts.
So, my fellow journalists, why aren't you all looking into this? Is it easy for you to dismiss it as confirmation bias?
I'm not going to answer the question for you. At least hop on the bandwagon: this is coming out with or without your help. But remember some moments are defining, in one's career, for one's conscience.
I'll conclude with two excerpts of the Munich Declaration of the Duties and Rights of Journalists (kind of our own Hippocratic Oath).
... and one question:
If this doesn't matter, what does?
This is one of the last posts that appeared on reddit:
On The Legitimacy Of This Investigation (with an important message to fellow journalists I know are lurking on this sub)
We are told the work on /r/Pizzagate (and other message boards) is illegitimate because people are rushing to conclusions, or because they are being paranoid, or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). The subtitle here of course is that the State is solely legitimate to suspect and investigate crimes.
But what if the State itself is, in a systemic way, responsible for said crimes? It wouldn't be a first; after all, democide (death by government, a word surprisingly absent from conversations) was the first cause of non-natural deaths in the 20th century. Whether one is from the right, left, or center, one cannot deny government is the number one abuser, enslaver and serial-killer in History. We may honestly disagree on the ways to eradicate the phenomenon, or we may regret that fact, but we cannot deny it.
So, if the State itself is committing crimes, it is the people's sovereign and sacred duty to expose it. Those who understand this truth best tend to become journalists. At least, that's what drove me to the profession.
Now specifically on this work. First, there is context; institutional child abuse is already a common-knowledge phenomenon. From the Presidio affair to Jimmy Saville and the BBC, or from the Vatican's historic involvement in covering-up pedophilia to US legislators' documented trips on the "Lolita Express", from the questions still surrounding Dutroux to the Hampstead doubts, the scourge has been featured in the news, movies, documentaries, art work. There have also been many policymakers, prosecutors, investigators and victims denouncing the very phenomenon; see for example British MP John Mann passionate speech before Parliament on the subject last year, or the extensive report by former undercover Interpol agent (Bannon). Indeed it is a secret de Polichinelle. So the only possible disagreement can be on the scale and systemicity of the phenomenon.
To honestly decide whether that's what we are seeing in the Podesta emails, please have a look at this one example. Look at the invitation at the end of the thread. Ms Luzzatto is inviting people (among which are John and Mary Podesta) to a farm in Lovettsville. This is what she says:
Impossible, you say? They couldn't possibly be speaking about abusing the children! After all, what step-grandmother would offer three innocent children up for group abuse?
This is how invitee Drew Littman answers the invitation:
If you aren't aware, Walter B. Jones has for 20 years been the U.S. Representative for North Carolina's 3rd congressional district; in DC he's regarded as the absurd caricature of a do-gooder, i.e. he is a noble man indeed.
Agreed, if that example was the only one, one could dismiss it as baroque misinterpretation. But there's more, much more. Let's not even get into thehandkerchiefs and codewords - even though "cheese pizza" is a known euphemism for "child porn" (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners).
How about the fact that John and Tony Podesta are old friends of Jeffery Epstein, Dennis Hastert and Clement Freud, three convicted child molesters? Who has so many child rapists as friends? Whostays friends with child rapists after they're exposed and convicted?
How about the Katy Grannan photos plastered around the Podestas' mansion, depicting naked teenagers?
How about Tony Podesta writing he's "very good and a little wired" from being seated next to "the kids" on an airplane?
How about the underground vault on the Podestas' property which admittedly allows them to watch "very complicated video pieces"?
If you are feeling ill-at-ease, that reaction is honorable. And the worse thing is you haven't yet seen much. But for more, you'll have to look for it. Indeed one might be breaking statutory laws by linking to some of the clues Internet sleuths have found in the past three weeks.
For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th "most influential" person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it's not just thefrescoes in his restaurant or the"artists" he hosts there; it's not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you'll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate.
If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught "liking" several of Alefantis' creepiest toddler Instagram posts? Again, that could be dismissed - only there's all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.
And if you're still not distinguishing the pattern, did you know that Laura Silsby (Gayler), the woman caught trying to smuggle thirty-three children out of Haiti (a country where the Clinton Foundation isn't without controversy), whose release from jail became a personal matter for Ms Clinton, thereafterbecame an associate of MyStateUSA, which changed its name to AlertSense, and which is the one providing the technology to issue Amber Alerts?
Enough already. If anything I have proven the legitimacy of the following question:
Is there a systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC, as we already suspect there is one in Hollywood?
In terms of national systemicity, the statistics are eloquent. The International Centre for Missing Children (ICMEC) estimates that 8 million children are reported missing each year around the world. Of that number, according to U.S. Department of Justice research, an estimated 800,000 children will go missing in the United States alone — a rate of over 2'000 missing children each day — with 466,949 of those cases entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database in 2014. With a current child population (aged 0 – 17) of around 74 million in the United States, the U.S. Department of Justice figures equate to around 1 child in every 92 going missing in the United States each year.
This looks like a systemic problem indeed. Childhood disappearances outnumber cancer deaths in the United States by one third.
Therefore, given the sheer amount of leaked emails, and the suspected phenomenon's scale and repartition, it is likely the data dumps (Podesta and other Wikileaks, Guccifer 1/2, DNCLeaks, etc.) provide some clue to the problem. Therefore, they should be investigated thoroughly under than particular lens, and suspicions need to be corroborated with other (and previously) known facts.
So, my fellow journalists, why aren't you all looking into this? Is it easy for you to dismiss it as confirmation bias?
I'm not going to answer the question for you. At least hop on the bandwagon: this is coming out with or without your help. But remember some moments are defining, in one's career, for one's conscience.
I'll conclude with two excerpts of the Munich Declaration of the Duties and Rights of Journalists (kind of our own Hippocratic Oath).
... and one question:
If this doesn't matter, what does?
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
I denounce the molestation of children. I denounce human trafficking. I know there are child molesters in government positions. I bet some had staff lie for them.
What's frightening is your convictions. All the pedophiles and child molesters in gubmit jobs out there could be exposed tomorrow, and you still just have a 4chan joke with this story, a proven, admitted hoax. Sometimes you have to admit you've been had.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
We get it - you think it's a hoax.
So why continue to post in the thread for 10 pages? What are you trying to achieve? If you argued against the evidence then I could understand your presence.
I believe deep down you know this is true.
So why continue to post in the thread for 10 pages? What are you trying to achieve? If you argued against the evidence then I could understand your presence.
I believe deep down you know this is true.
cduggles
Bluelight Crew
We both do.
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
So the vast conspiracy includes all mayors and all pizza places?
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
This thread should actually be called #PEDOGATE which is the proper name for a wider, overarching problem with institutionalized pedophilia and child trafficking in our government.
It disgusts me beyond belief that some people will ridicule this and not take going after child abusers seriously.
The power of partisanship...
It disgusts me beyond belief that some people will ridicule this and not take going after child abusers seriously.
The power of partisanship...
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
Luckily we have the crack sleuths at 4chan to uncover the truth by examining pizza company logos.
Or, crazy thought, just throwing this out there, perhaps there isn't some vast pedoconspiracy that permeates every level of our government, pizza parlours, and even children's books.
Or, crazy thought, just throwing this out there, perhaps there isn't some vast pedoconspiracy that permeates every level of our government, pizza parlours, and even children's books.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Wow....have you even looked at all the evidence in this thread? (I know it's hard with all of the trolls distracting from the scandal with their childish noise).
But this is a serious question, as a moderator of this sub-forum: did you honestly take a look at the cases being put forth here, and you've literally found nothing that causes you concern?
This fact almost concerns me more than all the Pedogate shit, I don't get how people with a fully-functioning brain are unable to grok what is going on here, or at the very least be a bit concerned.
So instead of the trolls coming in here to ridicule and distract people, I'd rather people like yourself say "I have looked at everything that you have presented, and I find nothing wrong with all of this".
If you have cojones then go ahead and say that, otherwise I think it is appalling (yet unsurprising) that a moderator of this forum would promote and engage in trolling.
How scared and petrified of the truth some of us are.. some people us are disgusting human beings, we would rather let pedophiles and child traffickers be free to conduct their sadistic practices - than engage or support any movement that will ultimately make Donald Trump look good. This mindset is beyond reprehensible and borders on the sociopathic.
Anyone who ridicules this scandal is complicit in child rape.
Edit:
Sidenote about 4chan - they managed to track down Shia Laboef's hidden flag planted in the middle of nowhere, by analyzing planes in the background and comparing flight paths.
They used this and other methods to then triangulate the exact location.
Say what you will about their intentions, but ridiculing their investigative skills proves you have no idea what is going on.
But this is a serious question, as a moderator of this sub-forum: did you honestly take a look at the cases being put forth here, and you've literally found nothing that causes you concern?
This fact almost concerns me more than all the Pedogate shit, I don't get how people with a fully-functioning brain are unable to grok what is going on here, or at the very least be a bit concerned.
So instead of the trolls coming in here to ridicule and distract people, I'd rather people like yourself say "I have looked at everything that you have presented, and I find nothing wrong with all of this".
If you have cojones then go ahead and say that, otherwise I think it is appalling (yet unsurprising) that a moderator of this forum would promote and engage in trolling.
How scared and petrified of the truth some of us are.. some people us are disgusting human beings, we would rather let pedophiles and child traffickers be free to conduct their sadistic practices - than engage or support any movement that will ultimately make Donald Trump look good. This mindset is beyond reprehensible and borders on the sociopathic.
Anyone who ridicules this scandal is complicit in child rape.
Edit:
Sidenote about 4chan - they managed to track down Shia Laboef's hidden flag planted in the middle of nowhere, by analyzing planes in the background and comparing flight paths.
They used this and other methods to then triangulate the exact location.
Say what you will about their intentions, but ridiculing their investigative skills proves you have no idea what is going on.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
Wait, talk about burying the lead, 4chan found Shia lebouf's pedo hangout by flying airplanes around? We need a new thread!
PS: If you post something outrageous, I'll comment on it.
(I treated your beliefs as if they were sincere, took you seriously for a little while, as have so many other people here, and you didn't appreciate that either.)
PS: If you post something outrageous, I'll comment on it.
(I treated your beliefs as if they were sincere, took you seriously for a little while, as have so many other people here, and you didn't appreciate that either.)
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LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
I will keep posting updates regarding #Pedogate, and I will take bets as to how many government officials need to get busted before you all accept that it is actually happening.
The silence of the MSM justifies your ridicule yet I know this must create some insane cognitive dissonance in your minds: "well I hate pedophiles, but I also hate Trump....... I can't support these efforts, I hate Trump more than pedophiles!"
scrofula you are complicit in child trafficking by ridiculing it.
The silence of the MSM justifies your ridicule yet I know this must create some insane cognitive dissonance in your minds: "well I hate pedophiles, but I also hate Trump....... I can't support these efforts, I hate Trump more than pedophiles!"
scrofula you are complicit in child trafficking by ridiculing it.
we get it - you think it's a thing.
so why continue to post in the thread for 10 pages? what are you trying to achieve?
alasdair
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
The schizophrenic-ish ramblings? I've seen enough. When your evidence includes hidden pedo symbolism in pizza logos, you're off the deep end.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
The guys who made crop circles also confessed eventually, which didn't stop shyamalan from making his OK-till-the-end-movie.
I'm curious, what are your views on those, and other bipartisan conspiracies? I think I posted a list up top, but you ignored me. I just want data for my eventual meth relapse, to make my own Venn diagrams of internet conspiracies and alt-right deliberate memes.
I'm curious, what are your views on those, and other bipartisan conspiracies? I think I posted a list up top, but you ignored me. I just want data for my eventual meth relapse, to make my own Venn diagrams of internet conspiracies and alt-right deliberate memes.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
I think that should be pretty fucking obvious by now. I want to protect children from being trafficked, raped and killed.
I don't want elites who think they are above to law to continue getting away with this (who many people have admitted is a real problem).
If everyone was aware of this problem then it would not be allowed to continue. And thanks to this scandal breaking into the mainstream many more people are beginning to wise up by the day.
Why is it impossible that people who engage in extremely illegal activities have created creative ways to communicate? I thought this forum was full of drug addicts who should know better?
And you're appealing to ridicule which is a logical fallacy.
You've also ignored ALL of the other evidence which, is intellectually dishonest and cowardly on your part. If you're going to dismiss this scandal then at least get all the facts concerning it first.
I'd like to see you explain away some of the other shit - you don't because can't so you don't try. It's easier to ignore and just bring up the stuff that seems unlikely to be true on its own.
For good people who have a heart and a conscience - they would err on the side of protecting children.
You all are erring on the side of making sure that Trump does not look good. At the expense of the safety of children.
What will you all say when this becomes undeniable, I wonder?
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
I will say, "looks like he's coming around from the anesthesia. I sure hope we got all those irukandji stingers--I've never seen a hit like this kid got. I bet he was having a hell of a trip before the ketamine. Awful way to spend your vacation in Thailand."
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
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