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LiquidMethod said:
Sorry mate, this is a very complicated story and I just condensed it all into one digestible paragraph.
If you want evidence you'll have to be more specific, which part exactly?
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gee I dunno...

Let's start with Jorge Puello

I can't find any convictions for sex-trafficking let alone child-sex-trafficking. Alien Smuggling? Yes. He was convicted for trying to help South Americans into the United States through Canada. Quite different from what you are alleging.

How about a link to that Harvard Law Human Rights Journal. Nevermind, here it is, seems you might have taken some liberties to elaborate what actually happened.
 
I like how "[T]he aid that is often offered is the extraction of individual Haitian children through adoption, resulting in the severance of familial ties. In this situation, ICA disrupts traditional forms of child placement that would otherwise maintain familial and cultural ties," becomes "The Clintons run a child sex-traffic ring." There's kind of a real story of suffering in the original, bumped out of the news by the other.
 
spacejunk said:
woah, careful. this thread could really explode if you start talking about the greys....
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Why are you still trolling in this thread?

Scrofula said:
I like how "[T]he aid that is often offered is the extraction of individual Haitian children through adoption, resulting in the severance of familial ties. In this situation, ICA disrupts traditional forms of child placement that would otherwise maintain familial and cultural ties," becomes "The Clintons run a child sex-traffic ring." There's kind of a real story of suffering in the original, bumped out of the news by the other.
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Can you explain how this is relevant to the case in point? Who claimed that "The Clintons run a child sex-traffic ring"?
The claim here is that the Clintons got child traffickers off the hook in Haiti, therefore facilitating the trade instead of combating it.

JahSEEuS said:
Let's start with Jorge Puello
I can't find any convictions for sex-trafficking let alone child-sex-trafficking. Alien Smuggling? Yes. He was convicted for trying to help South Americans into the United States through Canada. Quite different from what you are alleging.
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The one-time legal adviser, who calls himself Jorge Puello, now acknowledges that he faces sex trafficking charges in El Salvador under the name Jorge Anibal Torres Puello.
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Mr. Puello is wanted by the police in at least four countries in connection with charges including sex trafficking of girls and women, and making counterfeit documents and violating parole.

The Salvadoran police unveiled a sex trafficking ring last May in which they said Mr. Puello was helping to bring women and girls from Central America and the Caribbean into El Salvador and luring them into prostitution through offers of modeling and office jobs. Nude and semi-nude photographs were taken of women and girls and put on Internet sites, the police said.
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JahSEEuS said:
How about a link to that Harvard Law Human Rights Journal. Nevermind, here it is, seems you might have taken some liberties to elaborate what actually happened
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If you're going to call me a liar (or an exaggerator) please be more specific as to why.
What is your opinion/explanation for this story?


The Clinton-Silsby Trafficking Scandal And How The Media Attempted To Ignore/Cover It Up
 
Why are you still in this thread also?

Didn't realize that being a valued member of this community involves trolling, threadjacking and deflecting for pedophiles.

But I can see how it definitely does involve protecting the Democratic party at all costs.
 
Labeling something a "conspiracy theory" doesn't work anymore as I've repeatedly explained to you ad nauseum.

Zero Hedge often posts excellent articles, but they come from a stance that you would not agree with, be scared of, or feel threatened by.

If you want to debunk something you'll have to actually address the content of that article. And everything in that article is legitimate - there are even references and links to all their claims.

So please, try harder or leave the thread. Kthx
 
What do you do here that's so precious?

It's an open forum. If you want a real debate, provide some real arguments. No snark, you had two claims, they didn't get all the way to proving anything, even if accepted as true. Here's your thread, go for it.
 
Scrofula said:
If you want a real debate, provide some real arguments.
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Are you honestly shit-posting in this thread for a real debate? Ha.

I haven't posted any false claims. Make of them what you will (in your case completely ignore them) but don't claim they are false unless you're willing to prove it.

We have a problem with elite pedophiles in government, business and media who are above the law - this is a bipartisan issue and you are either a part of the solution or a part of the problem.
 
We have a problem with elite pedophiles in government, business and media who are above the law - this is a bipartisan issue and you are either a part of the solution or a part of the problem.
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i think few people would be surprised if trump turned out to be a paedophile. he's said some really bizarre, creepy things publicly about young girls, asnd the nature of his relationship with ivanka has raised a few eyebrows.

i agree that nobody should be above the law, but as for the comment "we have a problem with elite pedophiles in government, business and media" - how could you possibly know this?
i'll take it you're going off speculation rather than genuine first-hand knowledge of child-exploitation (which would be incriminating to admit to)?

the problem with pointing fingers without evidence is that anyone can do it (as i demonstrated above).
 
spacejunk said:
i think few people would be surprised if trump turned out to be a paedophile. he's said some really bizarre, creepy things publicly about young girls, asnd the nature of his relationship with ivanka has raised a few eyebrows.

i agree that nobody should be above the law, but as for the comment "we have a problem with elite pedophiles in government, business and media" - how could you possibly know this?
i'll take it you're going off speculation rather than genuine first-hand knowledge of child-exploitation (which would be incriminating to admit to)?

the problem with pointing fingers without evidence is that anyone can do it (as i demonstrated above).
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Ah but does not the necessity for first hand evidence as proof of a phenomena not also present it's own blindness? Considering the topics at hand, to expect 1080p video evidence as the only valid positor for said claims is to then disallow oneself to ever know the truth. The nature of the matter involved is inherently hidden, ala "occult" (hidden).

One may deceive themselves endlessly if they so desire it. Make claim to your truths but know that there is more. To argue with misguided logic and rationale is to waste one's time; there will always be error.

The manner is which your counterpoint is argued against results in constant disagreement, misunderstanding, and wasted sharing potential. However, on and on the two of you remain. There is ample evidence for those subjects of which we speak provided one look with the eyes of understanding. The truth does speak for itself.


As an addendum for those less decided: Know that the truth will not be televised, nor will it be commonly accepted, in fact fought, in the collective consciousness. You will not be given the truth until it is forced, and when you are, it will be distorted. Follow your own guidance and forgo that of others as well as the deceptivity of hivemind thinking.
 
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At least we know, sir 997, that you don't copypasta. At least not from a place with an editor.

The truth is some oddballs don't understand what an "argument" even is, provide words tangential to anything going on, and then get extremely upset and butthurt when we do engage and don't ignore. Somehow it's our fault for bothering to actually listen to your dubious theories, and then get accused of not listening.
 
Most of this has been posted already by liquid method, but let me give him some backup, the level of abuse he's gotten for making his case is puzzling to me. I'll post 3 links I find to be probable cause of the highest order. Nothing here is enough to really put him in jail, but if you aren't suspicious after looking at these links and instead start shouting fake news and get angry, then you should question your response in my opinion.

These are serious accusations backed by a compelling chain of evidence. Not just of pedophilia but of satanic ritual abuse and murder of children. We got a very compromising instagram feed. Much of which has since been deleted or edited. We got a network of underground tunnels all aligned on properties that he coincidentally owns (including pictures of him digging underground with a jack hammer), we got a long list of associations with known pedophiles, references to Satanism and Moloch (the god of child sacrifice) oh, and pictures of an underground room jokingly referred to as the kill room and pictures of child size coffins. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that he is openly flaunting some pretty sick and twisted shit. Ok fine, but is he guilty? The story requires investigation but guess you got to trust the people doing the investigating. When you got dirt on people in high places it becomes hard to get an honest investigation. I think the history of coverups of misdeeds by government is enough evidence to make someone a little suspicious by now of what gets investigated. In this case there is a clear vested interest in suppressing an investigation. So guess it's all fake news then and I'm an asshole for even suggesting it.

His Instagram:
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/pizzagate-comet-pizza-owner-james-alefantis-posted-hundreds-of-suspicious-instagram-pictures-like-these/

Regarding the Tunnels:
http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/02/pizzagate-new-tunnel-discovery-connects-at-least-4-of-alefantiss-properties/

More back story on Alefantis.
http://pizzagate.wiki/James_Achilles_Alefantis
 
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the level of abuse he's gotten for making his case is puzzling to me.
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Not to me I've copped worse before for trying to bring this to light. And I understand why. Your first link for eg, it is so obvious what is going on but at the same time so potentially horrifying that it doesn't seem possible. It is so insane that it is literally unbelievable for a lot of people. Also the fact this guy has met with Obama in the White House on at least 5 occasions is troubling.
DC Police claim this story was "debunked" however one guy FOIA'd them for any related documents and there was nothing proving that no investigation had taken place.
 
The level of encouragement he's gotten to present his argument is puzzling, not as puzzling as his inability to do it.
 
Liquid, you did not write "for eg". Seriously?
You need to learn some things (e.g., grammar, manners, and choosing places to read and learn as opposed to regurgitate).

The abbreviation e.g. is from the Latin exemplī grātiā. It is used with parentheses and a comma afterwards. It is a non-exhaustive list of examples. The phrase means "for example" or "such as".
 
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