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Piracetam vs Aniracetam

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I did a bunch of reasearch on Piracetam and decided it was definitely worth trying, but through my reseach i also found a nootropil called Aniracetam, which reportedly is the same as Piracetam just more potent. so now im stuck between the two, does anybody have any experience with Aniracetam?

The only difference I found between the two is that despite the fat solubility of aniracetam its half-life is much shorter than common racetam analogs such as piracetam, and commonly used doses are 750-3,000 mg daily usually taken in 2-3 doses.

also it says, side effects can include nausea and headache.

Considering im going to use one of the two to potentiate the effects of mdma, would the much shorter half-life of Aniracetam make a difference?
 
Edit: after finding more information on this...

Aniracetam should not be used for potentiation. It's too strong, and more unpredictable. Aniracetam is taken at much lower doses - your dose figure is for Piracetam, not Aniracetam - that dose sounds high for aniracetam, I recall a report of undesired effects at 750mg. Unfortunately, i don't know where that one was.
 
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I have both the racetams you speak of, and have taken both. The Aniracetam is definately stronger and lasts longer compared to Piracetam. Aniracetam I think works better for daily use because you need less of it to get the desired effects. Piracetam is more short lived. I take Aniracetam in 1.5 gm doses once daily with an Acetycholine supplement like Lecithin granules(1 tbsp). I have never used in to potentiate MDMA though. I use it to get my mind back to where it was prior to MDMA use. Basicaly I use it so when that time comes when I decide to roll again it will be like the first time. I also take Centrophenoxine daily. Do the research on that...although I wouldn't use to preload with.
 
The one I'm interested in is pramiracetam, it's supposedly quite a bit stronger than both piracetam and aniracetam. It's a bit more expensive but the dose is around 1/8th that of piracetam.

They've found improved memory at 150mg of pramiracetam, where it would take 2400mg to 4800mg of piracetam to produce the same effects.

I definitely love piracetam, I typically use it a month at a time at 3200mg per day, but it'd be nice try try a different nootropic like pramiracetam.

I can't source it now, but I've read that pramiracetam has been shown to strengthen neurotransmitter receptors, so it could aid in reversal damage from MDMA use.
 
thats great to know, i also want to find a smart powder for daily use in reversing mdma side effects. memory and anxiety mainly, but what about the potentiating values the different racetam's? piracetam sounds like the way to go.
 
roganmaster said:
The one I'm interested in is pramiracetam, it's supposedly quite a bit stronger than both piracetam and aniracetam. It's a bit more expensive but the dose is around 1/8th that of piracetam.

They've found improved memory at 150mg of pramiracetam, where it would take 2400mg to 4800mg of piracetam to produce the same effects.

I definitely love piracetam, I typically use it a month at a time at 3200mg per day, but it'd be nice try try a different nootropic like pramiracetam.

I can't source it now, but I've read that pramiracetam has been shown to strengthen neurotransmitter receptors, so it could aid in reversal damage from MDMA use.
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I have heard pramiracetam is strong as a horses dick, however, I have also heard many reports of it causing emotional flattening. Think something similar to someone on an SSRI. No happy or sad, just neutral. If that's fine with you then this would probably be the way to go.

I tried piracetam and loved it, but that was before I discovered aniracetam. Aniracetam greatly enhances my visual processing abilities, it's almost like my peripheral vision is gone and I am instead seeing the entire picture at one time. It makes nature look like a painting, almost akin to tripping. Colors become much more saturated. Most notable is the anti-anxiety effect....makes benzos seems like a joke. When I took aniracetam with MDMA I ended up throwing up my rolls as I'd dosed way too high, so be wary of this. It makes the comedown virtually non-existing..I'd like to think of it more as a gentle fading-out. And of course the total lack of lethargy and suicide tuesday is extremely welcome.

I usually dose aniracetam twice a day and I feel it all day long. Sometimes I even take it before bed to have intensely vivid dreams that I can actually remember. I do take it with a source of fat to help it be absorbed though.

I have some noopept in the mail so I am looking forward to trying it out.
 
hey cryptix420, seems like the nootropics have been a big topic on the forums recently (im partly responsible).
im looking for both mdma enhancement AND something for daily usage, to help in school and with other things.
i have read (on wikipedia, i know, but still) that piracetam can help with anxiety and depression, as well as sleep and can possibly be a mildly effective anti-psychotic.
since you have experience with this, what do you say? agree? disagree?

what you've said about aniracetam sounds heavenly and just what id love for the daily usage.

here's my problem. here in the netherlands, you need a prescription to get nootropics, whereas in america you can just order it online.
with that in mind, im going to have a friend mail me some. so i know it can be pricey and i cant buy both (pira and ani)

piracetam has the main fame with mdma, however the aniracetam sounds amazing.
sorry for the bad experience mixing the ani with mdma. you said you dosed too high. was that on the mdma, ani, or both?

this question can be for anyone, would aniracetam be good for mdma, or does piracetam take the crown?
can it be used well with it? obviously a smaller dose than piracetam would be needed.

finally, cryptix, what brand of aniracetam do you use/buy?
thanks so much to you and anyone who can fill me in on some info.
 
I'll send you a pm about which brand I got.

Piracetam has such a big reputation simply because it was the first one to be invented, and the most basic of the nootropics. It is the most well-known name. However, aniracetam is much, much better in every regard IMHO. I took aniracetam + MDMA and that's when I barfed, it was just a damned intense come up. The only thing piracetam takes the crown for is the amount of pills you have to swallow in a day. Aniracetam is one of the best anti-anxiety drugs in the world (and yes I've tried many benzos).
 
I dosed up with antiracitam this weekend - took a couple of grams each day prior to going out, and took circa 1.2g 4 hours before dropping my MDMA. Took one pill in halfs - 45mins between each half (speaker pill so circa 180-200mg of tested MDMA) didn't notice any effect on the experience, however the comedown was non-existent, and after getting to bed at 7am I woke up a few hours later feeling fresh. Defitely helps with the after effects, but it didn't give any more empathy or euphoria.
 
it didnt give anymore empathy or euphoria, but did it lessen it? would you say its worth it then?
i mean if it does nothing but helo with hangovers then id assume it is worth it. i want to order some aniracetam for its daily usage AND for "enhancing" mdma.
some swear by it, though others (like you) get almost nothing, some get intensity, some get wired and less empathy (and sometimes euphoria), and others have dampened (or killed) effects on the roll completely. most people do seem to have positive effects for the hang over, which is a plus.
 
even if i cant get a good enhancement, if it can help with hang overs, which i honestly have only gotten once (which was cured pretty quickly with 5htp)
and can help me in my daily life (esp studying) then im in for it.
plus ive heard stories like cryptix420 where people's visions are great, (almost like vibrant tripping vision- awesome!)
mood improvement, anxiolytic effects and mental clarity then im down to get it.

ps. i too have white speakers (gotta love holland) 8D
 
eek! I strongly recommend against 5-htp. It is suggested in numerous studies to be cardiotoxic.
 
piracetam is dirt cheap, water soluble, and has a half life double of the fat-soluble racetams, I believe.

However, aniracetam has noticeable effects on my hearing. End of story.

They each have their benefits. From what I understand, while they both restore neuroreceptor/transmitter connectivity, aniracetam seems to block the 5HT-2A susceptibility to MDMA. A blessing for those on the quest for first-time-level magic who don't need the enabling potentiation of piracetam, but useless to those content with half-hearted weekly buzzes. To the latter I would recommend piracetam and daily ALA/EFA supplementation
 
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rebinator said:
They each have their benefits. From what I understand, while they both restore neuroreceptor/transmitter connectivity, aniracetam seems to block the 5HT-2A susceptibility to MDMA. A blessing for those on the quest for first-time-level magic who don't need the enabling potentiation of piracetam, but useless to those content with half-hearted weekly buzzes.
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Would you mind going more in detail on this part? Especially with what is in bold? Very curious as to exactly what this means.
 
hollandhomeboy said:
care to explain?
i.e., dosages/regimen or something

thanks
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nothing special - around 500mg aniracetam daily, and 1000mg 60 minutes before roll. dont forget to eat something fatty with it. just feels more relaxing than piracetam, which is especially good when rolling. also real mirracle for days after the roll, helps greatly with mood and everything.
 
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