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Piracetam & Psychedelics

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Another piracetam topic...

This thread is about discussion of Piracetam & Psychedelics, their interaction and whether piracetam is an effective way of potentiating the action of psychedelics.

Previous OP by Xorkoth!:

You know, I was thinking back to my two 2C-E experiences, and how drastically different they were from one another despite equivalent dosages. For the stronger of the two experiences, I took piracetam (and choline and DMAE) beforehand, and the level of intensity went up orders of magnitude from the first experience. I've also taken piracetam before MDMA which was later followed by a small amount of LSD, and I never had the abrupt drop-off in effects that MDMA usually gives me. I just slowly came down until I was mostly feeling normal, then took the LSD and just coasted until sometime in the early afternoon the next day. At no point was there any kind of discomfort or unpleasant come-down or emotional aftereffects like there usually are with MDMA.

I was just wondering if anyone else has any experience with this. After my 2C-E experience with piracetam, I haven't used it with any other psychedelics because it freaked me out a little. But Erowid has several reports about combinations with psychedelics and piracetam in particular. I have a briefly formulated theory that much of the confusion and lack of clarity that can happen in a trip is due to the brain's inability to deal with the changing stimuli it is receiving, and since piracetam is both neuroprotective and allows an increased rate of communication between the hemispheres of the brain via stimulation of the corpus collosum, I feel that it might reduce this possible confusion, plunging you deeper into the experience. And, its documented neuroprotective qualities could exlain the way that it seems to smooth out strong stimulants like MDMA and (from a report I've read) methamphetamine.

Any thoughts or experiences? I've been thinking about this for awhile and brought it up on another forum, but that forum doesn't really like to talk about psychedelics in particular as much as general brain function and nootropics.

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...I read all the piracetam stuff (I'll prolly be starting piracetam soon), and know it potentiates PEAs.

However, I couldn't find any information as to how much (so I'd know how much to lower my dosages), or if this interaction could possibly be dangerous?

You'd think not, since piracetam is supposed to repair/cleanse your brain, but you never know.

Does anyone know the specifics of how (chemically) it potentiates them?
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Yeah phent-something, which is why I abbreviate it. :)

You'd think the piracetam would make them do less brain damage, but you might think wrong...
 
Not the actual psychedelics, but the free-radicals left after their breakdown, which are stored in fat cells, of which there are a high percentage in the brain. There was some MAPS article about using antioxidants to make it better.
 
Doesn't anyone here take piracetam? I don't wanna OD. I found one trip report of piracetam mixed with 2ct2 on erowid, the rest are just piracetam + MDMA. There are none in the trip report forum here.

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From http://www.antiaging-systems.com/extract/piracetam.htm:

"A key part of PIR's specialness is its amazing lack of toxicity. PIR has been studied in a wide range of animals: goldfish, mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats, dogs, marmosets, monkeys and humans. (1,19) In acute toxicity studies that attempted to determine PIR's "LD50" (the lethal dose which kills 50% of test animals), PIR failed to achieve an LD50 when given to rats intravenously at 8gm/kg body weight. (1) Similarly, oral LD50 studies in mice, rats, and dogs given 10gm PIR/kg body weight also produced no LD50! (1) This would be mathematically equivalent to giving a 70 kg (154 pound) person 700gm (1.54 pounds) of PIR!"

Piracetam doesn't potentiate psychedelics the way MAO inhibitors or marijuana do, don't expect a boost in intensity from taking piracetam with the psychedelic.
 
Piracetam dosages are between 800mg and 1600mg. The effects are fairly mild. I've mixed it with a few PEAs (well 2C-B and 2C-I) and the synergy was minimal at best.
 
On the topic of nootropics: The combination of piracetam, dmae, vinpocetine, huperzine a, b-complex, omega 3, lecithin, and GBL did something permanent to my intelligence, even after stopping each. I find my memory capacity has been considerably increased, and I also find my vocabulary noteably broadened. This combination also gave me the absolute strongest dream of my life, which I can still distinctly remember to this day. I've run out of my supply of smart drugs, but I'm looking towards an aniracetam combo next.

I've taken piracetam, dmae, vinpocetine, and huperzine a before dosing 30 mg's of 2c-t-7, and while it did not seem to potentiate the high, it did seem to reduce the comedown a bit.
 
Well, this is odd, check out the report of the guy on erowid.org who mixed piracetam and 2ct2 (10mg!!!) and said people's heads were swapping around with their legs and crap. So he's an odd man out/atypical reaction?

Cool, thanks.
 
blase that's not really an out of the ordinary reaction to 2C-T-2...
 
I bought 25 white versace pills awhile ago. When I got bored with them I read about piracetam boosting the affects and bringing back the 'magic'. One of the warnings for piracetam is that it increases the affects of stimulants. Yep. There is a definite increase in fun and joy. Almost like taking two. You get way fucked and the rushes are intense, and you can think more clearly.

Buy a dozen pills of one type with a consistent high. Try adding 4800mgs piracetam 2 hours before taking one. Compare. You will be impressed. Then adjust the piracetam up or down as you wish. I also preload/postload with 5htp. Also when bored with E alone, add a good hallucinogen. Shrooms, Lsd, iprocin is cool and I cant wait to try flipping with miprocin or 4aco-mipt<fuck! my supplier was busted!>.

Hmmm. I wish my friends weren't boring stoners and cokeheads. They suck to roll around. :p

Hippie Flippy Fun Everone!!!:)
 
Wow, I had no idea it could be used to potentiate things.

I got a big thing of the powder, maybe 250g or 500g i forget. I've tried piracetam years ago as those orange tablets, and the only thing that happened was it acted like some super-laxative taking 4+ (3200mg or more) of them. It wasn't pleasant going to the bathroom every 10 minutes at work or else shit my pants.

Hopefully it was just... something about those tablets. I should make some capsules and try this with something...somewhere with a toilet close by just in case :)

As for increasing the effect of stimulants, most likely i'll be taking a dexedrine long before I trip, i'll see what it does.
 
I always preload my trips and rolls with piracetam now. I must say, the effect of piracetam on phens is probably about 1/4th to 1/6 the potentiation of amphetamines, but it is still there nonetheless.

Anyway, I find that with MDA, my roll extends from about 7 hours to around 12, with a longer peak (from about 6 normally to upwards of 9 and 10 now) and MUCH less of a comedown.

MDMA - roll extends from about 3 hours to around 5, peak for about 4 (as opposed to 2, sometimes 2:30 if I'm lucky), comedown is non-existant. I don't notice a definite "crash," it just lets me down gently now.

2C-I - a combination that I will never do again. The bodyload of the 2C-I, which is normally bad enough as it is, was enhanced greatly. 2C-I does very bad things to the body and mind as it is, I can't believe I thought piracetam would lower the body load.

2C-E - Wow. I really enjoyed this combination. The 2C-E's somewhat sedating/lethargic energy was turned into a very mild, highly pleasant entactogenic rolling euphoria by the piracetam. I've done this combination twice. Both times, it yielded more euphoria than I had ever had on anything, but this was before I finally tried mixing it with MDxx. ;) It put a huge damper on the visuals though, which kind of upset me. Normally on 2C-E, at the same doses (15mg and 18mg, respectively), I wouldn't be visually functional. Piracetam seemed to put a huge damper on the visuals and made the focus more on the extreme body high.

2C-C - Another combination I enjoyed. This time, the focus was put on both visuals and the body high. I had some really intricate patterns that seemed to lift right off the wall, as the main focus. The effect on the mind was the most interesting. The substance actually gained a so-called 'mindfuck' at this point. It wasn't too far off from my mushroom trips, quite intense. Body high was exaggerated only to a soft buzzing/tingling feeling flowing through my body.

4-HO-MiPT - This combination had little, if any, potentiation, short of making the body high (load) of this substance quite annoying and persistent.

All in all, I think the only real potentiation with psychedelics is with the psychedelic amphetamines. There is definite potentiation with some psychedelics, but with others, it can exaggerate the negative effects of the drug.

Dosewise, I take 3200mg a day, 2 800mg doses in the morning, 800mg in the afternoon, 800mg about an hour before bed.
 
I always preload my trips and rolls with piracetam now. I must say, the effect of piracetam on phens is probably about 1/4th to 1/6 the potentiation of amphetamines, but it is still there nonetheless.
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^^ What do you mean by the 1/4th-1/6th the potentiation of amph's? Do you mean, your experience mixing amphetamine with a psychedelic to potentiate it, or, using piracetam to potentiate amphetamines?

Also i'm curious, if you take a large dose of piracetam (the pre-load) right before taking the psychedelic/mdxx, or do you just take it how you normally do throughout the day?

I took about 4.6-5g the other day, and i didnt get the shits like i did before when only those 800mg tablets were available. It doesn't seem to do much on its own, i find just 10mg vinpocetine to do a lot more (i'm curious about mixing maybe 30-40mg of that with....well something).

I'll keep this in mind next time I try MDA or MDMA, and also 2C-E.. would you recommend taking a large dose...an hour or two before or similar to that?

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<I>4.2 Does piracetam interact with other drugs?


Piracetam is said to increase the effects of alcohol and amphetamines. No other drug interactions have been noted. It is recommended that alcohol be avoided as one of the reported effects of piracetam is increased flow of blood to the brain, which would increase damage and intoxication.<I>

That worries me as far as PEAs go? Would it increase damage of free radicals, since they'd flow to the brain more (or would they?)

As far as 2ct2, I only get mild visuals up to 30mg, and at 40-45mg (forget the dose) I get some decent visuals (but that dose was a rather uncomfortable one I don't plan on repeating). Probably because I'm on an SSRI? I know 2ct2 is visual for some, but at 10mg? I think I'm gonna tread carefully.

I was also worried about SSRI (paroxetine/Paxil) potentiation. I already lowered my SSRI dosage awhile back because of unpleasant side effects.
 
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One experiment years ago with piracetam and p.cubensis mushrooms did not produce any added potentiation and felt like it may have even shortened the trip. We did not feel there was any use in repeating the experiment.
 
Yeah, but I'm not taking it for the purpose of potentiation, I'm taking it daily to see if it unfries my mind a bit, and am curious about the stuff I will inevitably add.

I still dunno whether it'd make PEAs less brain damaging, or more (because of the warning about alcohol, how it does more brain damage because it gets into the brain easier).

And probably, no one here does either, because I doubt studies have been done. I'm just hoping someone smarter than myself can come up with an educated guess. :)
 
Can someone tell me if piracetam is an OTC available drug in the US? I've never heard of it before.
 
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