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Piracetam - extremely experienced - Bridging the Chasm, an unexpected +++

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the other day i had a very unexpected and rather interesting +++ on the Shulgin scale…from 2 grams of Piracetam powder.

now i am a nootropics user of some 20 years standing, using Piracetam in the form of Nootropil on and off through that time for its cognition-enhancing properties, finding its effects to be for the most part as described in literature and certainly nothing spectacular, especially on a one-off attack dose. this particular morning being in the middle of a nootropics course, the standard regimen was:

5mg l-deprenyl
5mg Hydergine
1,000 mg l-phenylalanine
500 mg centrophenoxine
2 caps of ginseng extract
couple cups of strong coffee

mind you, i had ran out of Nootropil about a month ago, so off to work i went to be pleasantly surprised to hear that the expected package had arrived. after taking possession of the customs-cleared package from the smiling global express delivery unit, i proceeded to weigh out 2 grams (my standard dose of Nootropil is 2x800 mg tabs or 1600 mg) of the most brilliant white, almost piezoluminescent and somewhat hygroscopic powder…

T 0:00 …2:00 P.M. and down it went…uggghhh, the straight up utterly ugly bitterness that borders on sweetness (always have to taste new chems), chased down w/a bit of Breakfast Juice; i went on with my workday expecting nothing really, maybe some improvement in clarity of thinking.

T 2:00 with no notice of it, engaged in 3 simultaneous conversations, one of them in a different language, 2 LCD screens flashing various data, um, somewhat too slowly for my liking, no urge at all for the de rigeur afternoon coffee, which um, i wont be having till tomorrow as it appears the workday is over.

T 4:00 the drive home, colours of the oncoming sunset delegate a certain import, weight to the texture of the sky, the wind-rippled water on the lake reflecting golden-lined clouds, visual aspect is razor sharp, in contrast to normal end of workday tiredness, wicked psytrance amped through the 8-speaker high fidelity system sounding crisp yet oh so space-dirty and the standard irritation at the nimrods who haven’t taught their cars how to drive is strangely absent.

T 4:40 back at home, put on Shulman’s in Search of a Meaningful Moment (highly recommended for Shpongle / Entheogenic fans) and as the first song builds, indulge in a stress relieving cone or two of some fine Australian indisat hybrid. this particular strain normally proves light on the head, energetic, yet with a solid backbone and minimal paranoia, yes, a vice, i admit, forgive me gentle reader.

exhaling, i feel an almost immediate dumbing-down if you will, the soft cloud enveloping and my thoughts becoming muuuch slooower (not at all the normal fx when i praise Jah), but this lasts for about 5 minutes after which time i am actually questioning whether it was Piracetam that i ingested, without warning i am at a solid +++ but a hard to define place, and crikety, i mean after all, internet white powder is just that without an HPLC / GCMS spectra to confirm…

powered by the evolving music, this is certainly no THC effects, i make sure by sampling a couple more cones, try to sit back and enjoy the experience but sitting down is hard as for some reason i feel the urge to do something creative, like write Crowley’s interpretation of the Tao on a transparent Moebius strip then decode through a yet to be found algorithm based on a 4-part fugue structure and pumped to a bitchin sound unit, yyeh… abandon this task in favour of something more practical like, um, getting online to download some esoteric chemistry articles that actually make sense when speed-read.

T 6:00 the chasm known as the corpus callosum, across it communication between the brain’s hemispheres takes place. now i am acutely aware of this communication process taking place. eyes closed, i can see thoughtfields and trace them back to the actual spatial locations within the brain where particular thought “units” originate.

there is no push for higher symbolic processing, the thoughts do not fragment into fractals, but rather seem to be well contained within their fractal parameters. on the other hand there is no obsessive self-analytical digging which a sign of being off baseline.

it becomes clear why this stuff is indicated for such things as cerebrovascular trauma and alcohol addiction (DT stage). i feel, for lack of better words, as if the old synaptic pathways clogged with debris are being flushed clean, from the microcapillary down to actual neuronal conductance levels and there is a feeling of damage being repaired. this is not the cathartic psychedelic soul repair that is the result of hard psychological work, this is much more physical, the awareness of the physical, specifically, cerebro-physical. memories of minute events become clear but only those I choose to focus on, no distortion or unwanted directions.

there are no physical symptoms although I should certainly be hungry by this point (still empty stomach from morning), BP is normal, pulse normal, some pushups take to get the heart rate going and the blood flowing.

T 7:00 the Soulmate comes home, are you secret-dosing 2C-T-21 again? - is her first question. takes a bit to convince her otherwise, but she’s familiar with Nootropil and highly sensitive to it, we take advantage of my state to discuss matters which she hopes I may remember, grin. make a meal which actually tastes wonderful with a couple Stellas, appetite comes while you eat, as the saying goes.

T 10:00 the residual effects are still present, tiredness has yet to set in, couple more cones, turn on the TV – ugh, off it goes, a mutual massage to the background of Silence (FAX Records) time for bed, pesky thoughts folding in on themselves, slowly fading into darkness of a somewhat fitful sleep filled with dreams of chases and snowy mountains.

summary: placebo-shmasebo, a definite +++ in absolute number terms, although not in your classical psychedelic sense. at no point did i feel spatio-temporally challenged or pushed into consciousness expansion as with most psychs, and the visuals were, um, self-limiting. i am certain this level experience will not be repeated with this substance, although a useful nootropic and prophylactic ally Piracetam shall remain.
 
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An excellent trip report! Your have a very eloquent writing style which furthered the enjoyment of reading your Piracetam voyage.

Make's me want to start on a course of nootropics again...
 
i took 8 caps of piracetam daily for my exams no noticable difference; however, i should wait until the results come! it was mainly to cancel out my smoking of marijuana i just can't restrain myself even in important times of exams! Nice report you certainly captured it very well.

peace

Iopener
 
psychonaut65 said:
i took 8 caps of piracetam daily for my exams no noticable difference; however, i should wait until the results come! it was mainly to cancel out my smoking of marijuana i just can't restrain myself even in important times of exams! Nice report you certainly captured it very well.

peace

Iopener

That seems rather excessive. Why does it seem like so many people at BL have to take overdosages of new things? Anyway, it can take people a few goes with piracetam until they notice it.
 
^ To my knowledge, an LD50 with piracetam has not yet been established.....

Excellent report nanobrain, thankyou :)
 
Actually I thought I read about a 'bell shaped curve" with the dosage of piracetam. I forget which way it is, either low end doses are benficial then somewhere along the dose line there's a dive, then goes back up again. Or, upside down where too low of a dose doesn't do much, up it some and it works great, but too much and it goes back down. Ahh who knows.. For the guy that said he was taking "8 caps" a day and didnt notice anything, i'd say lower that to 1 or 2 and see what that does.

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Yeah, actually, i've had some very clear and odd 'pot trips' taking piracetam. I rarely smoke now so when I have, i've gotten into a sleep trance like state where it felt like "I" was flowing around in my head somewhere, seeing things like oscillations between "cells" of some kind, going at certain frequencies, like to sustain memories or..whatever. I even at one point thought I "found" a memory just cruising around up there that I hadnt though of in a while. This was sort of semi-conscious, almost like a vivid dream maybe (or mental picture). I didnt literally feel like I was up there flying through my brain seeing up close, just this 'awareness'.. Seems to happen after smoking pot, but, it has been the finest pot i've ever had and so that might have something to do with it.
 
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morninggloryseed said:
^^^^^^^

Regardless, it is still excessive. Why take 4X a dosage when less works just fine.

Good point. He would have been better to synergise piracetam with choline. Research literature suggests that 100mg choline and 100mg piracetam was more effective than 1000mg piracetam with no choline.
 
I have to admit, I have no experience with piracetam (which is going to change eventually), but until then I must say, this is a supreme report, nanobrain, this is a credit to you, as well as bluelight and Trip Reports.

Thankyou
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I really have to try piracetam. Right now I am on 7200mg lecithin a day and 180mg ginko extract (50:1+leaf). Piracetam seems like it has the best benifits/danger ratio for any of the better nootropics (i have no interest in deprynl, etc). Does anyone know the legal status of it in Canada? Do shops sell it? [NOTE: I DONT WANT SOURCES, JUST WEATHER IT'S LEGAL TO SELL IT].
 
I can confirm that piracetam powder seems to be a lot stronger than nootropil.

I happily ordered some in recently... it tastes like shit. Actually that's not true, it doesn't taste so bad in the first mouthful... but every mouthful gets progressively more acrid and feral :x

In any case, I happy measured 3g into a 600ml water bottle and consumed...

All I can say is wow.... There was no high, per se, but I felt contented and clearheaded. Colour perception was AMAZING. Lasted for hours and hours too :)

I've since cut back to about 1.5g per dosage administration... 3g seems a little distracting. I can't describe what that consists of, but perhaps some of the "thought slowing" that was mentioned above.

Top stuff though... infinitely better than nootropil. I wonder why? Perhaps something to do with the fact that its already in solution when you drink it and it doesn't have to be absorbed?
 
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Wow what a beautifully written report Nanobrain. :)
Just received my nootropics now, and im excited and have been reading up on some stuff on BL that i may have missed in the past re: piracetam. Aint she lovely. :)
 
Excellent report - I love your writing style.

A massive THANKS for your recommendation in the report about Etheogenic and Shulman being Shpongle-like i'm now in aural bliss :)
 
Your report just inspired me to eat 2.4g piracetam and 250mg centrophenoxine. I have yet to notice anything from any nootropics, but I'll try to pay attention today and see if I can see ANY difference in my mind at work.
 
I've never heard of piracetam before, but after this report I am definitely interested. Just to get things staraight it allows you to function faster and whatnot, yet has a visual effect as well. Also what is the legality in australia.
 
Coolio said:
Your report just inspired me to eat 2.4g piracetam and 250mg centrophenoxine. I have yet to notice anything from any nootropics, but I'll try to pay attention today and see if I can see ANY difference in my mind at work.
How did it go?
 
high on stemz-nseeds said:
Haha. Can anyone say 'placebo'?

Just wanted to bump this report because it's a good one, and also call this guy an ass. Ass. Why do so many people assume that if a subatance doesn't "fuck you up", it does nothing?

I've also had some serious synergistic effects between piracetam and cannabis which involved detailed mental "movies" and being able to feel the shape of my energy. Also, I feel that it speeds up my thought process, particularly in regards to multitasking, tremendously.
 
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