Piperazine monitoring

[Johnathan Ashcroft]

Though, as far as I know, the piperazines (BZP, TFMPP) are legal and unwatched in all fifty states, I am also familiar with the DEAs disregard for such "technicalities". I am interested in anyones experiences, positive or negative, in obtaining piperazines from commercial suppliers (please don't list which supplier so this thread does not violate forum terms). Does anyone have any knowledge of government intervention?
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[NoriegA]

With the current state of affairs in this world one would have to imagine that commercial suppliers are under intense scrutiny to turn over all suspicious chemicals being bought buy individuals. Especialy these chemicals which are on a government/DEA watch list. Be careful & selective where you get these from & try to use different names & addresses to obtain them. Also buy up while you can. These chemicals are probably on a fast track legislation to be controlled & made illegal...

 

[SovietContin]

Though, as far as I know, the piperazines (BZP, TFMPP) are legal and unwatched in all fifty states, I am also familiar with the DEAs disregard for such "technicalities".
No. You are an idiot. If you mix the two and try to pass them off as ecstasy, you will be charged with distribution of ecstasy.

I am interested in anyones experiences, positive or negative, in obtaining piperazines from commercial suppliers (please don't list which supplier so this thread does not violate forum terms).
Mixing TFMPP with BZP is NOT like ecstasy. If you get a precise dose, the first two hours will feel similar to MDMA. But again, it has to be an exact dose within about 10-15mgs of accuracy. This means a person can only take a single dose. If they take more it will be very obvious that they got some whack stuff. Of course, after the first two hours they'll realize they got some whack stuff anyways. The feeling will wear off and they will start hallucinating. They will also start to feel like crap at this point. After several hours of this, the hallucinations will go away but they'll be speeding in an unpleasant way and be completely worn out. This will go on until the entire experience has lasted for 16 hours. They'll go to sleep and when they wake up they'll feel like shit for the next 3 days and at some point hunt you down and kick the living shit out you.

Does anyone have any knowledge of government intervention?
Yes, I've heard of people selling BZP and TMFPP as ecstasy in the form of pills or trying to pass it off in caps as mollies. Again, you will be arrested and charged.

 

[Johnathan Ashcroft]

Thank you SovietContin, for demonstrating the humanity's great ability for stating the obvious. Clearly, I am an idiot, and it is equally evident that I am going to mix BZP and TFMPP and pass them off as Ecstasy, instead of doing the responsible thing and telling people exactly what I am selling and what the effects are.
If anyone else here is privy to SovietContin's clairvoyance, please be egotistical enough to abstain from enlightening me with further morsels of wisdom.
As for the rest of us "idiots" who can't percieve SovietContin's irrefutable trueisms, please post more advice.

 

[SovietContin]

Well obviously you're being shady, because if you were actually telling people what the stuff was and they knew anything about it, they would not take it from you or anyone.
Both chemicals are unpleasant alone, particularly TFMPP, and moreso unpleasant when combined together.
So even if you aren't going to sell them under the guise of something else - even if you're just going to give it away, don't delude yourself into thinking you're responsible. You are trying to justify completely taking advantage of the ignorance of others and profitting off it.
If you want to tell people what the effects are, tell them they'll feel good for two hours followed by 72 hours of feeling like they were thrown off a horse onto concrete. You do that and I'll believe you're responsible.
By the way, since you want to make money legally, I have a good idea! Get a fucking job you hippy.

 

[Johnathan Ashcroft]

Many people enjoy the effects of BZP. TFMPP is not for being sold. I have a job. Thanks for your advice, however.
Anyone else?

 

[fairnymph]

Both chemicals are unpleasant alone
I think describing BZP as 'unpleasant' is inaccurate and unfair. There are clearly superior stimulants but there are also inferior. BZP is nothing amazing but it's not exactly hell either.

 

[SovietContin]

I think describing BZP as 'unpleasant' is inaccurate and unfair. There are clearly superior stimulants but there are also inferior. BZP is nothing amazing but it's not exactly hell either.
BZP is even less respectful than snorting Ritalin.
Either way, do you wanna make out?

 

[fairnymph]

IMO, Ritalin and BZP are about equivalent in fun-value. I don't plan on doing either again unless I'm really bored and it's free....or I desperately need to stay awake for some reason. And even then, only in the absence of caffeine..
As for making out....well....maybe if I were single.
[ 24 June 2002: Message edited by: fairnymph ]

 

[Exx_head]

For a more civilized answer to your question (I don't know why SC extapolates your question into pill manufacture), YES the DEA and other agencies are aware of BZP/TMFPP. One supplier online was raided and a lot of his assets siezed even though none of it was illegal. Piperazines he is still selling, but I would imagine these are destined to go down soon.
I tried BZP and never mixed it with the TMFPP, perhpas because I just didn't like the speedy effect I got from BZP. I apparently just don't like speedy shit because I have tried meth on two occasions and flushed it down the toilet due to the buzz being unpleasant.
Suffice it to say that if they were really great they'd be illegal already. Careful with what you do.
Peace