PhreeX Guide to Duragesic (IV info)

[PhreeX]

First the disclaimer ... I have always been against such things, but it seems Bluelight didn't like the aproach I took to these type things .. so:

This is for those that have made the CHOICE to do this, and are going to do it REGARDLESS then this is for you .... we realize that people will do these type things REGARDLESS of ANYTHING so they might as well do it right, though "right" isn't always even the SAFEST way .... also, Bluelight doesn't condone any of this ..

If you agree, keep reading ...

PhreeX Guide To Duragesic

What is Duragesic? Duragesic is a transdermal system that delievers the narcotic fentanyl, while the desigin is in no way like a nicotine patch, you can think of them both working in a similar way.... the doses are 2.5mg (25mcg/hour), 5mg (50mcg/hour), 7.5mg (75mcg/hour) and 10mg (100mcg/hour) ...

What is the proper way to take one of these? Shave an area of skin on most any place of your body... I find the cheast or upper arm to be best .. peel off the protective coating and apply it, holding pressure for about 1 minute ... make sure the edges are firmly stuck or it may come off

Whats the BEST way to take them? See the above .. simply applying one will make for a good high that can last for up to 24 hours (or more) .. I wont get into dosing (as in how much to take for a good time) - you can figure it out!

How can I 'improve' on the above? Again, read the disclaimer .. but here are a couple ways to "hack" the system ..

1) ALCOHOL - if you inject about 30u (.30cc) in between the layers (the outer layer and the membrane) .. the alcohol is what helps the drug pass through the membrane, so you get a higher dose - you need to use EXTREME CARE doing this ... oh, of course tape over the hole you injected in

2) HEAT - a heating pad will also help to deliever more of the drug then normal ... so a heating pad on high works nicely...

Now how do you REALLY abuse the drug?

SMOKE IT - it's such a waste it almost pains me to write this.. for god sake, at least wear the thing before you waste it by smoking... to smoke, simply put a small amount of gel (say, the size of a 'bump' of cocaine) on a piece of foil, heat and inhale the fumes... one NEW 10mg patch is good for about 10-15 'hits'. each of which will last for about 2-3 minutes ..

EAT IT - again, when taken orally you destroy SO MUCH ofthe drug it's a waste.. eating a new 10mg patch will get you mildly high for about 15-45 minutes...

INJECT IT - again, it's such a waste as the high is only a couple minutes at best ... to prep it, take a small amount of gel and disolve it in about 10u of alcohol, it should disolve fairly easy but you may need to stir it .. to that, add another 90u water and mix good.. you may still have some gel floating so FILTER, FILTER, FILTER ... you inject at your own risk and I don't consider this to be a safe way, then again, we are all injecting heroin bought off the street so how bad can this really be?

RUB ON INNER LIP - this never did much for me (in fact, nothing but wearing it does, the alcohol helps) .. anyway, twake a fair amount of the gel and rub it on your gums/inner lip ...

Thats about all I can think of off the top ofmy head .. of anyone else has any other ideas post a reply...

AGAIN - BLUELIGHT DOES NOT CONDONE ANY OF THIS, I ONLY POST THIS INTHE SPIRIT OF 'HARM REDUCTION'

 

[chrissie]

Other info that would be helpful-

• Reapplying the patch; how long the adhesive lasts, if theres any way to reapply many times for those who have low tolerance.
• How long the gel will last if the patch is opened.
• Shelf life of an unopened patch.

 

[collective_vision]

I'm not exactly sure how long the adhesive lasts, but if the adhesive begins to come off or you need to reapply a patch (which I don't reccomend) you can place a large ACE bandage over the patch, that should make it stay on for a while. Also, there is Fentanyl in the adhesive, so when you are done with the patch you can lick the shit out of the adhesive to catch a buzz. When an opened patch is left out, IME a little bit of gel/alcohol in the patch tends to evaporate after 2-3+ dyas. I've got no clue about the shelf life for an unopened patch, though.

 

[PhreeX]

Other info that would be helpful-

• Reapplying the patch; how long the adhesive lasts, if theres any way to reapply many times for those who have low tolerance.
• How long the gel will last if the patch is opened.
• Shelf life of an unopened patch.

1) Ok, as for re-applying the patch - NOT RECOMENDED as when the membrane is expose to air it tends to kinda dry out and become useless .. my ex-gf wore a new one for about 6 hours, took it off and replaced the backing, she made sure the membrane was perfectly stuck and so were the edges were as stuck as they could be, went around it with scoth tape and put it in the fridghe... the applied it the next day and claimed it was as good as any new patch ... I had tried the same thing once (as I had to remove it, not my choice) .... I used the SAME method as she did and it was definitly wasted .... I dunna, perhaps you should stick to the package insert and just keep it at room temp ...

2) If the patch is opened the alcohol will evaporate and you will lose most all of the drug in a very short period of time - still, when we would smoke a patch we would use a credit card to move all the gel to one end, take a razor andmake a slit along that end, then "funnel" that end ofthe patch and using a pencil eraser, puse all the gel intio oneof those little glass crack vials .. add about 30units of alcohol and screw the lid on .. you may want to practive with a deal patch to see how you can best do it ..

3) Never got this question before... if it has not been opened and is still in the sealed pouch, kept at room temperature, it will last for years if not longer... certinly longer then you could keep it on hand without using it one way or another... remember, expieration dates are there because ofthe FDA, and are RARELY an indication of how long before the drug "goes bad" ... narcotics are very stable, it's other (non recreational) drugs (like some canccder drugs and a few antibiotics) that willactually "go bad" ...

Any more?

[EDIT - to keep the patch on, you can get some of the large band-aid patches that cover the larger doses PERFECTLY .. if you're going to make Duragesic use a full time thing then you can call Janssen (1-800-JANSSEN) and select the option from their menu to "request the Johnson & Johnson bioclusive adhesive protective dressing .. an operator will come on and ask if you have tried using tape- tell her use but it just guma up in the shower, tell her you lead an active life and they often come lose .. they will ask for the LOT number off the bottom of the box - when they do simply tell them you are currently wearning your last patch and will not get to see your doctor for a week because you have RUINED 1-2 patch as they fell off, they wont argue and will instead te yer info, and the first box is shipped 2=day-air .. you get a box of 50 and these fuckers stick like nothihg .. directions are included... ]

 

[negrogesic]

Im not sure what the point is in filtering the gel for injection purposes. It contains no particulates, and you will just end up losing prodcuct. Also, my best IV fentanyl experience was a mixture of the gel, saline and vinager, slightly heated and well mixed in a shot glass. I have used alchohol (ethanol) in trying to process it, but had better results with saline/vinager (the gel inside the patches is in its freebase form, the vinager makes its a little more water-soluble) It will never acheive uniform consistency, but can be sucked up by a large syringe with a 20g needle, then squirted in the back of a 29-30g 1cc syringe (as most people use these), then squirt the contents of the 1cc syringe into another 1cc syringe, and inject. By passing through a 30g needle, its more uniform and easier to inject. Ive had best results with using 3.5cc 27g syringes for shooting patches, but then again, I shoot entire patches at once, so I need more fluid to dissolve the gel in. 15mg of fentanyl, (two 75ug/hr patches) is about .9cc of duragesic gel. This is my standard dose. I have not had much luck wearing them, except when i didnt have such a monsterous tolerance.

Injecting duragesic gel is sort of experimental (the shit is really not meant to be injected), so if you dont know what your doing, dont try it. Then again, the process is sort of trial and error, at $37 per 7.5mg (this varies greatly).

If youve never dealt with these patches or have no tolerance, wear them, and those bioclusive things are good at holding them on. If you toss and turn in bed wearing just the patch, theres a good chance it will fall off (especially if its on the forearm or shoulder). Ive even tried to put one on my neck, but my tolerance was too high at that time to feel much (plus your neck moves around alot). Best place to put it, in my opinion, is on the upper chest region............

 

[PhreeX]

The point in filtering the gel? I dunna, I just dont like the idea of pushing something that thick into my veins ... still, we take these risks regardless ..-

 

[PhreeX]

Look, the new attitude we have to take toward certain things is not totally my doing .. we did the 'no new Duragesic thread' thing for the same reason we did the 'no new OxyContin' thing a couple years back .. ones it dies down we allowed it again, the same will eventually happen ... I liked the old 'Other Drugs' where we could post thijngs like how to scam doctors, but the admin disagrees with it .... so for now don't argue with this policy, if it upsets you that much go to DanceSafe...

As for closing threads such as the IB coke theread - that was done as it's been answered a million times before... search, don't start a new thread...

 

[gablona]

I really like the path of locking media "hotspots" or whatever term you have for the most popular of the moment.

but anyways, I have no experience with Duragesic patches but i have been on Catapress patches when I was younger(11-14/15). While I did not use "the Johnson & Johnson bioclusive adhesive protective dressing" I used a OTC product called Tegaderm <think its spelled right>, it was a thin protective covering I placed over the patch, It allowed me to swim competitively and practice 7X a week without the patch falling off or getting wet or anything else. It might be a cheaper alternative.

That reminds me, I swam competitively so of course I wore <embarassed> Speedos </embarassed>. Due to limited skin coverage and not wanting to be embarassed more I wore my patches on my hip towards the fleshy buttcheeks... just a thought

 

[twominds]

Im green with envy PhreeX, you guys in the US seem to have a huge pharmy scene. Oxy, Vicadon and Duragesic seem to be everywhere. While us Australians have a large Heroin scene but finding Duragesic is near impossible and Oxycontin is almost as bad.

Do doctors in the US perscribe these drugs recklessly? Or does it take a bit of persueding? ( If this in in violation delete if you must) Note: Im not after any ideas in fooling a doctor, just interested.

 

[PlutarianSPACEcowboy]

In the US there is a notion that anything can be fixed with a prescription. Everyone has a prescription for something, most people would rather pop a fucking pill than look at their life and try to fix shit. So since there are so many people who "need" these medicines, it opens a lot of doors for those of us who use pharmies recreationally (scams, buying from someone with a script, buying from crooked pharmacist, some ppl steal).

 

[blacklabel]

Phreex: "EAT IT - again, when taken orally you destroy SO MUCH ofthe drug it's a waste.. eating a new 10mg patch will get you mildly high for about 15-45 minutes..."

Hell no, not even close. I don't know why all the fentanyl threads get locked, citing this thread as the one source of info. Eating a whole 100mcg/hr patch would likely kill you. The most I've ever seen one eat all at once is one 25mcg/hr patch. A half of a 25mcg/hr gets me fucked up.

Eating it can be dangerous, but no one in their right mind should go eating one of the stronger patches all at once. Pretty much everyone I know eats them around here. A few people have worn them but generally eat them, so they must have their reasons!!

After eating, it takes about 30 min to start feeling something, and about 1-1.5hrs for it to kick in roughly fully in my experience. It lasts several hours too. If I do it in the evening I'm pretty much fucked the rest of the night.

 

[HeadyNuggets]

^^^^

I agree. Eating a 100mcg/h patch would kill most people. I have an average opiate tolerance and 1/3 of a 50 patch had me nodding out strong for four hours. Had I eaten the whole thing I would have died. Smoking is a waste but is sure is nice. My preferred way is to eat a small amount, wait for it to kick in, then smoke a few hits after the peak.

 

[negrogesic]

Eating a whole 100mcg/hr patch would likely kill you. The most I've ever seen one eat all at once is one 25mcg/hr patch. A half of a 25mcg/hr gets me fucked up.

It all depends on tolerance. Many people have eaten 100ug/hr patches without a problem. Im sure some have died as well. I could probably inject two 100ug/hr patches at once without suffering serious respiratory depression, but my tolerance is upsettingly high. So dont generalize. Saying half a 25ug/hr patch gets you high is meaningless, as you dont mention whether or not you have a tolerance. I wish I could get high on such a dose.

 

[blacklabel]

Yes that is of course true. And yes your tolerance is upsettingly high. But I think it's safe to say the majority of the people on here couldn't handle eating a whole 50ug/hr patch. You would have to have quite a tolerance for that. But its not really about that anyway, I just think that that quote is very far from accurate and misleading to anyone looking for duragesic info, and as soon as you start a topic asking something about it, you get these repost nazis telling you to read the monitorium.

I've tried smoking a couple hits of it, but a 25ug/hr patch here is $35 or $40, so I was only doing little ass bits of gel and even though I felt a buzz after a couple hits, it didn't last long enough at all and the amount you would have to smoke would likely be better off eaten.

Hell, a quarter of a 25ug/hr patch eaten catches me a decent buzz, comparably to lil more than two 7.5 vicodens probably, but in a better way. I have a mild tolerance too.

Oh, and I've read that by wearing it takes up to 6 hrs to kick in, but a lot of info is bs, and I think it's closer to about 4 hrs. I will try it out myself next time I get one, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up eating it.

 

[edarrin]

Going to wear my first 50mcg patch this weekend. Got it for a looooot less than the prices quoted here Yeesh. Hoping for a nice day long buzz and then next day keep it on and do some meth and work out--woo-hoo! That sounds like a plan. let you know how it works out. Curious as to how strong the buzz will be. hope I don't have to supplement with oxys. Toerance is likely moderate. Only use once maybe twice a week but have noticed that my doses are creeping up. 90mg in divided doses of Oxy will get me nodding at the end.

 

[edarrin]

I've had a 50mcg patch on now forover 7 hours and hardly felt anything. Very mild. I have applied a heating pad to it for 1/2 hour and it seems to help a little.

 

[tathra]

please leave the petty bullshit out of this thread and keep replies on topic!

this thread is about how to prepare duragesic patches for IV injection, keep it that way!

 

[ktx49]

ok thought id add some info...

i went against the suggestions and just mixed the gel with some warm water to help it dissolve....put the gel and water in the back of a 30g 1cc syringe and reapplied the plunger...shook the hell outta it and shot it out the very fine 30g tip into the back of another identical rig...the solution was hard to push out at first but once it got into the other syringe it was mixed pretty well and was seemingly dissolving the longer it was in there. by the time i got all the air bubbles out and was ready to shoot, i couldnt tell there was any gel in there. registered and shot, bam nice subtle rush i didnt put enough gel but i was shooting low intentionally as i was afraid of overdoing it especially with first time IV.

interestingly, it was very easy to prepare it this way and although the fent gel may not technically dissolve in water in did so enough to the point where i could and DID shoot it effectively.

however, i do NOT recommend anyone try this unless you are as experienced with fentanyl as i am....i can handle over 20mg in a day!

 

[r0bz1ll4]

I used a similar technique.

Having scored a few 5mg(50ug/h) patches of fentanyl for the first time with the drug, I used the following math.

5mg fentanyl = 5000ug = 50x100ug doses.

I put all of the gel into a 1cc rig, which yielded about 0.2cc of "straight dope". I then filled the rig the rest of the way with warm water to form 100units of solution, then put that in a spoon and filtered back into the rig, yielding about 60 units of filtered concentrate. Then I added 40 units to that and shook well.

That puts 100units=50 doses=2units/100ug dose. I then put 2units in a fresh rig and added 40units of water, then pulled into a fresh rig with a fresh filter, yielding 40units of dilute.

This I banged, caught a mild warm rush, and was then able to measure my remaining 98 units' strength much better. I then stepped up, 4units providing a much better rush, then tried 6, and ultimately established that *from this solution only, your results may vary* that a proper bang for me would be 10-15units, with 40units of water added to each one. This worked out perfectly fine and while realistically I probably got less than 50% yield in the actual vein, it at least allowed me to measure the drug uniformly and utilize it with confidence. I

 

[phr]

At one time negro described how he'd cough up the gel he's been shootin'. He said it looked just like it did when he injected it.

If I were one to try to shoot fent gel, I'd look into drying it out and trying to extract, or eliminate some of the binders/fillers, before iv'ing it. Just a thought.