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I've read many different philosophical ideologies and the conclusion I have come to is that it is completely subjective and useless.
 
Welcome to existentialism, please enjoy your stay. seriously enjoy it and don't go on a murderous rampage.
 
Philosophy is a very old and prehistoric form of science. In fact philosophy laid the foundation for what modern science is today.
 
fridgebuzz said:
Philosophy is a very old and prehistoric form of science. In fact philosophy laid the foundation for what modern science is today.
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René Descartes described the whole of philosophy as like a tree: the roots are metaphysics, the trunk physics, and the branches are the various particular sciences, including mechanics, medicine, and morals.

Saying that science can go without philosophy is naive. Science cannot ground its own essence. The essence of science cannot be determined scientifically. Positivists only have one good working "physical eye" and another lazy "metaphysical eye."
 
Philosophy is a very old and prehistoric form of science.
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I disagree. Philosophy functions as inquiry into how our chosen axioms construct fundamental properties of what we know and how we know it. In this way, philosophical inquiry provides the context which conditions the meaning of scientific inquiry.

ebola
 
I can agree with the OP. If you want to ponder the depths of the lake, jump the fuck in, or else go find something else to do so you can live in the real world and truly have a chance at enjoying your life.
 
Psyduck said:
Saying that science can go without philosophy is naive. Science cannot ground its own essence. The essence of science cannot be determined scientifically.
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Exactly. Science itself was born from a philosophical standpoint.

ebola? said:
In this way, philosophical inquiry provides the context which conditions the meaning of scientific inquiry.
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This is very true. Science and philosophy are worlds apart but still have much in common. For one philosophy itself was hindering mankind's progress for a long time until some empiricists in the 17th century came up with a new philosophy of starting over again and disregarding any knowledge authoritarians like the church insisted were truths. Free thought hasn't looked back since. Modern philosophy, and thus science, is based on nothing. As Carl Sagan puts it, science's only absolute truth is that there are no absolute truths.

Cheshire Kat said:
just like music
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Spot on.
 
ebola? said:
I disagree. Philosophy functions as inquiry into how our chosen axioms construct fundamental properties of what we know and how we know it. In this way, philosophical inquiry provides the context which conditions the meaning of scientific inquiry.

ebola
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Tangible thought ... It provides a way to relate what we do understand, to that of which we otherwise could not.
 
Psyduck said:
René Descartes described the whole of philosophy as like a tree: the roots are metaphysics, the trunk physics, and the branches are the various particular sciences, including mechanics, medicine, and morals.
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roots are metaphysics and
when it comes for roofing,
itll be metaphysics as well
 
MyFinalRest said:
No, not like music. The pleasure and emotionality of the organized tonalities and frequencies or whatever that makes this thing called music is very real. Not explainable, but real. Not explainable, but very useful.
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I don't follow your implication that music being "real" makes it unlike philosophy. Music has a value unto itself; it is either appreciated or it isn't. Attempting to justify it to someone who doesn't get it is futile and pointless.

That's only one of many ways in which philosophy is similar to music.
 
Psyduck said:
René Descartes described the whole of philosophy as like a tree: the roots are metaphysics, the trunk physics, and the branches are the various particular sciences, including mechanics, medicine, and morals.

Saying that science can go without philosophy is naive. Science cannot ground its own essence.
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What they don't tell you about Descartes is he was visited by a divine angel after his plundering--which helped him start his emancipation. McKenna called 'that which can't ground its essence' a "hard swallow" as with God's story; science asks you to believe in the big bang, evolution etc. The West is insane especially when a baby is involved, we go off the fucking rails.
 
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With science there are very few laws and a whole lot of theory. Even laws are re-examined. Just recently it was discovered it is possible to travel faster than the speed of light, a speed limit science asserted was law for a long time. Science questions and scrutinizes everything through any means. It's dynamic, ever-changing and the best tool we've got for understanding our world.
 
Well, philosophy can be real too. It is an abstraction, but it is "ethics" and ethics are real. It's just how fucking complicated can it get and how many variations can you make on it before it becomes convoluted bullshit?
 
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